How Hillary will cruise to an easy 2016 victory and why that will upset some on the left.

[johnnyrak88]

This is just my opinion.

I believe that Hillary Clinton will coast to an easy victory in 2016 even winning a few red and purple states for these reasons:

1) America is comfortable with Hillary Clinton. She's worked hard behind the scenes for decades and the last several years on a very public stage.

2) Americans over 40 remember the Clinton presidency fondly. Even Republicans liked the 90's. The economy was rockin and unemployment was low.

3) Republicans will cross over. To your average Republican, they do not feel that Hillary Clinton represents a threat. They expect Hillary to run a government that functions and is prosperous.

4) Republican lawmakers will work with Hillary Clinton. President Obama has an oil and water compatibility with many Republican lawmakers while Hillary will bring lawmakers together.

5) People like Hillary Clinton. She's admired across the political spectrum. She will be the first female President and I expect her to be 70%-ish popular for her 8 years in office.



These reasons also explain why she will be challenged by the left. She's not going to be a proponent for liberalism other than the token bone thrown here and there. But her administration and presidency may be the most prosperous and positive in the past 50+ years.

[gopiscrap]

1. you're number 2 point is wrong

Clinton was president from 1993 to 2001 not in the 80's

[johnnyrak88]

5. oh gosh what a typo lmao... thanks!!

[gopiscrap]

8. not a problem I knew what you meant, but thought that you should fix

before the fact police come swarming down on you!

[gopiscrap]

9. BTW welcome to DU

[johnnyrak88]

14. hey thanks! nt

[gopiscrap]

16. you're welcome hope we call learn from each other

and have some laughs in the process!

[jeff47]

2. Replace 2016 with 2008, and you get exactly what people were saying back then.

How'd that turn out again?

[JoePhilly]

43. Except that Hillary 2016 has Hillary 2008 as a comparison point.

Hillary made some mistakes in 2008. Mistakes she will not repeat should she run in 2016.

[leftynyc]

54. Who doesn't love someone

who learns from their mistakes? And gains even more experience in the meantime.

[polichick]

59. We got corporate candidate #2.

[libdem4life]

95. So how do the Dems raise $1 billion without corporate funds? Be Dem PC and tell them to go ahead

and give it to the Republicans? I hate it also, but it's like...what are the options to actually get elected?

[polichick]

106. The only thing I can think of is if people got behind a candidate and funded...

him/her through the internet, someone who isn't already beholden to corporate entities because of earlier elections.

[libdem4life]

125. Who would even run? They can't work, family suffers, and to depend on 63 million voters to each

donate $15 or so dollars? Who would send money to someone they never heard of? That's what the advertising is for...which is a lot of the cost of a campaign. And many still don't have computers or the internet.

It just makes me ill that we are already a corporatocracy and close to a kleptocracy (where they steal from us and then spend it).

[polichick]

126. These days I can feel depressed about the state of our country...

but there's one thing that really gives me hope - the younger generation's ability to network. I see them going around the established channels and coming up with a new way to be politically active.

We'll see...

[LaydeeBug]

3. Ummm...Reagan was president for the majority of the 80's; the 90's was Clinton's era. nt

[johnnyrak88]

7. I fixed it sorry thanks nt

[HappyMe]

4. Raygun was the 80s president.

[NuclearDem]

6. Spandan, is that you?

[mshasta]

10. if clinton gets someting done

because President Obama is Cleaning up the way

[johnnyrak88]

11. I see it more like Hillary will have a lot of healing to do after 2016. nt

[cali]

12. golly, this sure does remind me of what some here said in 2006.

[Smarmie Doofus]

13. I'll say:

>>> Even Republicans liked the 90's. >>>

Esp. the wealthiest among them.

[johnnyrak88]

15. and if a fair portion of

wealthy Republicans say "Hey, President Hillary won't be all bad"... the election is over.

[NuclearDem]

18. Given her support of TPP, that's likely.

[HereSince1628]

17. IMO this goes awry just after "1)"

Certainly, republicans don't feel that way, and neither does the center and left of the party.

Don't you think it's really that the truth is closer to Hillary's reliable support doesn't come from the left or center but from the right...which is composed of 'new democrats' and current 'third wayers'?

[brooklynite]

20. Last time, Hillary got 17+ million votes in the Primary season

(note - more than Obama got)

Are you saying that all that support was on the RIGHT of the Party? If so, that might suggest that a progressive candidate isn't what the Party wants (nb - I don't accept that notion - her support was broadly centrist)

[HereSince1628]

26. Yes, her support WAS largely from "new democrats", "3rd wayers"

and people with interests in the important issue progressive issue (really I AM NOT KIDDING) of a woman as president.

[karynnj]

53. It makes no sense to add primary "votes"

This completely distorts what happened because it underweights the caucus states. (In fact, in some sums a few caucus states were even excluded because they did not have official tallies of the raw totals.

[johnnyrak88]

21. I think her base of support will be massive

90% of the Democratic party, disaffected Republicans, moderates and independents will love her. Anyone who is tired of Washington D.C. being more of a story than the nation itself will love Hillary. Everyone who is tired of politics in their daily life, on their radios, on their facebook and twitter will love Hillary.Hillary is the perfect candidate to get us all out of this hyper political partisan atmosphere and return the nation to prosperity and happiness.

And as a bonus you get "Big Dog" back in da House... which will be awesome.

[HereSince1628]

25. You are most certainly encouraged to have an opinion

[Auntie Bush]

37. Yeah! It will be awesome to have them BOTH back in the White house .

But this time with Hill in charge!...A Woman!

[HereSince1628]

44. That's one of my lessor problems, but I'll admit it...I have very little respect for BC

either as an influential DLCer, or as a power behind/beside the throne.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Just another pro-war, 3rd Way, corporatist, ambitious, pol.

[pangaia]

80. exactly my take

How depressing.

[davidn3600]

22. It's an easy win for the Democratic party, but....

...a Hillary presidency will be a slight move to the center.

Just understand that going in that there won't be much change in Washington than what we have now. Hillary is a textbook definition of a Washington insider.

[johnnyrak88]

27. maybe...

but IMHO if President Hillary and President Obama both nominated the same person for SCOTUS, Obama will get a huge congressional FIGHT and Hillary gets smooth sailing.

Hillary Clinton is the hot chicken soup for a sick nation.

[DonCoquixote]

109. no

she is the sweet tasting junk food that allows a bunch of upper middle class yuppies to enjoy themselves while the rest of us starve to death.

[Buddha_of_Wisdom]

23. *snooorree* *snoooooooooreee*

Another "Hype Hillary" thread. Wunderbar...

*plonk*

[NuclearDem]

24. So, let me see if I've got this straight:

We should run Hillary because, since her policies are attractive for them, will attract Republican votes, and fuck the left, because why not?

What exactly about that is supposed to make her appealing to me?

[Chan790]

28. +1

[pangaia]

81. Or me.

The whole idea makes me sick.
That so many just give in and agree she is a done deal.

[Marr]

111. +1

[Scuba]

118. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[Rex]

29. Another Spandanish post...yawn.

Can't you folks stay away from this site for more than a day or so?

[NuclearDem]

31. Well, I checked, and this doesn't seem to be a reincarnation of michigandemStateBlues.

[Rex]

32. Okay kewl, just another hippie puncher then.

I really do hope they enjoy their stay.

[Whisp]

41. Hillary is a hippie? wuh? n/t

[Rex]

42. SO you are saying that the OP is Hillary?

Got anything crazier to go with that?

[Whisp]

45. I have no idea who the punched hippies are supposed to be here...

but nevermind, don't you worry your little head about it I can live without that info.

[Rex]

48. I won't. Maybe I am the confused one.

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with the OP and will say that MOST on the left would LOVE to see Hillary as POTUS in 2016! I think she would actually be more liberal than Big Dog was!

She has my vote already! Who are you rooting for in 2016?

[Whisp]

49. I'm not sure who I'll be supporting.

Warren is obviously not running, so that's out. I like her a LoT.

I will have to wait and see the real list first.

[Rex]

50. Warren would make a hell of a good VP.

Just think of all the Tea Party heads exploding with TWO women in charge!

[Auntie Bush]

71. Yes, Warren would be a good VP but

I like Warren right where she is! Who could take her place? No one else will go after Wall Street like she does. But, several Dems could make great VP's.

[Capt. Obvious]

33. 80-20 G4A

[NuclearDem]

34. I put money on AllINeedIsBlueGrassmichigandeniac.

But I don't know for sure.

[Oilwellian]

88. You can add...

Comrade McKenzie to that list.

Oh, and, there are so many things wrong with Hillary as president, I just don't think the country can survive 8 more years of same old, same old.

[Pirate Smile]

35. Regarding #4 - nope. They'll be just as nuts with Hillary. Eventually, just

as they've done with Bill, they'll trot out canards like "why can't Hillary work with Republicans nicely like President Obama did." Maybe young people don't remember what lunatics they were with Bill (press & pundits too) but I sure do.

[Whisp]

36. About #2.

2) Americans over 40 remember the Clinton presidency fondly. Even Republicans liked the 90's. The economy was rockin and unemployment was low.

Was Hillary in charge during those years of Bill's Presidency? Can she really take credit for the economy, etc. (which didn't have much to do with Bill's policies, it was the Intel guys that really made it all happen). Was Bill the boss or was Hillary?

One of the greatest flaws Hillary and her most ardent supporters have is that they are willing to give her all the credit for all the supposed good that she did while First Lady and the gifted Senatorship - but will they also give her blame for making Iraq a misery for 8 long years with cruel sanctions via Bill, and will they also accept that NAFTA must have been her idea and discredit due there as well? How about that Telecom Act, Hill going to take some lumps for these things or just bow in made up sunlight of rewritten history?

[bowens43]

38. IMO youre wrong on 1 thru 4

she's more of the same. another corporate shill who will do as she is told........oh well Americans will get the president they deserve.

[BKH70041]

39. They'll Live

She's as DLC as it gets. The DLC Democrats are as far to the left as the Democratic Party should ever venture if they want to stay viable.

[bobduca]

122. Viable is Pragmatic!

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. I think you're 1 for 5

- "America" is demonstrably less comfortable with Hillary than they were with a black guy named "Hussein"
- Yes, the 90's were awesome in retrospect.
- Republicans were galvanized against her. Her face on fundraising materials raised millions for Republican candidates. That said, I don't think there is anyone they would work with - and I would consider anyone they could work with as immediately suspect.
- I remember Hillarycare too. I think they'll only work with Hillary on items on their agenda; tax cuts, SS cuts, and "endingwelfareasweknowit"
- Benghazi!!!!

I admire her and think she'd be a good president, but I think it takes a seriously naive view of current events to think that it's a slam-dunk, or that she's a progressive panacea simply because she's a woman.

[JoePhilly]

46. She'll win because she's already proved she can do the job as well, or better,

than anyone else who might run.

Any candidate who would unseat her this time, would have to appear to be significantly superior.

Who exactly is that? Who is going to obtain that status between now and then?

I don't see anyone with enough potential to do it.

[Union Scribe]

47. Yes if the 90s taught us nothing else

it's that Republicans love Clintons. Massive crossover appeal no doubt about it.

[Douglas Carpenter]

66. I guess that's why the entire Republican Party united to impeach him? - Only the second impeachment

in all of U.S. history. Perhaps that was their "tough love."

[winter is coming]

92. And we learned from 2008 that 90% of Dems want Hillary.

[Agnosticsherbet]

51. Republican Law makers refused to work with Bill Clinton

They will not work with Hillary.

[TheCowsCameHome]

52. I doubt that she will run.

I think her age, and the "who needs the grief at this point in your life" thingy will kick in.

I'd probably vote for her, if she did run.

[johnnyrak88]

57. silly

Hillary is younger than Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Jerry Brown, Joe Biden and is only 2 years older than Howard Dean.

btw Hillary's mom lived to be 92 years old...

[Agnosticsherbet]

69. Hillary is all over facebook where she has a huge following.

https://www.facebook.com/ReadyForHillary

And Hollywood is behind her

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hillary-clinton-2016-jeffrey-katzenberg-651474

And then there is this story about her comparing and contrasting herself to Joe Biden on the raid on the Bin Laden compound.

http://news.yahoo.com/did-hillary-clinton-tip-her-hand-on-2016-presidential-run--001742228.html

Hillary is in it to win it.

[winter is coming]

91. "Hillary is in it to win it."

Gosh, I hope so. 'Cause one thing I've learned from competitive cooking shows is that the contestant who's "in it to win it" often goes home after round 1.

[Agnosticsherbet]

123. People are judged by their food on cooking shows, not on how money moves opinion

in the market of public opinion or how monumentally stupid and offensive their opponents can be. Clinton will have the 1 billion plus to flood the opinion market, and Republicans are in a monumentally stupid and offensive phase of their existence. Even someone like Christie (a staunch corporate/business Republican) would have to go crazy to win the nomination.

[johnlucas]

72. Since that girl was 5 years old she wanted to be President. She's running.

I even see an ad on the sidebar saying "Ready For Hillary?"

Why do you think she stepped out of Obama's cabinet?
Rest? PLEASE!

Hard to run for President when you're the Secretary of State in the current President's cabinet.
She had to swallow a lot of pride when she relented to Obama in 2008.
She saw him as a usurper of her rightful win in 2008.
The whole thing about making her Secretary of State was a concession in order to get her to relent.

Now that Obama has given her a chance to bolster her street cred, she's ready to fulfill her childhood dream.

She has always wanted to become the first Female President.
2016's her last chance to make this happen.
She's running. No doubts about it.
And she'll win.

If people don't want her, they have from now to the primaries to get somebody else in there.
If Hillary wins out in the primaries, she is going to be the 1st Female President.
If Obama didn't run in 2008 she would have been the 1st Female President then.
John Lucas

[polichick]

55. "The left" is not in a mood to just accept another corporate Dem...

So it should get interesting.

[Douglas Carpenter]

56. that is entirely possible and the status quo will prevail. Wealth will continue to be increasingly

concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. The private debt burden will create a new kind of almost permanent indentured servitude. What was once considered the living standard of the lowest 15% will be the living standard of the lowest 50%. Memories of participatory democracy and grassroots campaigns will become distant folklore of the past. Not because of Hillary of course - This is what is going happen if any mainstream candidate of either party should win or the mainstream polices of either party continue on their current course. But it will be significantly more socially liberal with a few more token programs wrapped in a liberal veneer under Hillary or any other mainstream Democrat. I suppose with the current Republican Party dominated by a bunch of nutcases - it is certainly preferable to them running the façade of democracy.

[antigone382]

77. Don't forget the continued failure to take significant action on climate change...

Which will ultimately be the doom of billions, and which will drastically exacerbate existing inequalities for the rest of us. At this point, continuing to embrace the policy and ideology of neoliberalism will be the real kiss of death to humans in the underdeveloped world at least, and to much of the natural world as well.

[Blue Owl]

58. And Ted will cruz to an agonizing defeat

n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

60. "Republican lawmakers will work with Hillary Clinton"

[DireStrike]

87. You beat me to it. -nt-

[Z_California]

61. Shhhh....just let it happen.....don't fight it

I'm sure the Republicans will become cooperative as soon as Hillary is elected

[Xithras]

62. So much, so wrong....

Many of us spent the 90's protesting 3rd way Clintonian bullshit. Remember Seattle? I'm not eager to relive that.

A lot of your other points make it pretty clear that you don't spend much time talking politics with rank and file Republicans. As one so eloquently put it to me a few weeks ago "Hillary Clinton is Satan with a vagina".

I really don't know where the right wing hatred for Clinton comes from, but you're seriously misinformed if you thing that Republicans don't see her as a threat or that Republican lawmakers will work with her. She's been a polarizing figure with right wingers for the better part of the past decade.

A Clinton presidency would accomplish many things, but eliminating political divisions and fostering cooperation aren't anywhere on the list. A Clinton presidency would be even more divisive than the current one is turning out to be.

[MFM008]

63. i agree

and if she runs it will happen with my help.

[Vashta Nerada]

64. Can we get through 2014 first?

Please?

BTW, I really don't know if I'll even vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I'm tired of holding my nose and voting for the slightly less evil person.

[Nye Bevan]

74. Hillary is definitely less evil than Ted Cruz.

And I would hope that your vote would reflect that.

[Vashta Nerada]

78. Ted Cruz won't be the Republican nominee.

So, yeah.

[TheCowsCameHome]

85. Haha. That was funny.

There isn't much on this earth that isn't less evil than Ted Cruz, except maybe Dick Cheney.

Haha.

[watch the sky]

65. I think she's the favourite going in

but that's no guarantee she'll win the nomination then the general election.

[AtomicKitten]

67. Same argument heard in 2007. How'd that turn out again?

[brooklynite]

79. She got more votes than Obama?

Politics is a zero sum game: somebody wins and everyone else loses. Doesn't mean she wouldn't be powerful in 2016.

[AtomicKitten]

108. No, she didn't.

The only way she comes out ahead is if you disregard the 4 caucus states that do not compute the popular vote and where he won big and if you give her Michigan and Florida, both states disqualified, and Obama wasn't even on the ballot in one of them.

It's really lame that a handful of people here still drag out that dead horse when it is disingenuous at best. She lost and he won, fair and square.

[joshcryer]

113. The Green Papers say otherwise.

But you keep troting out your "conditions" even when Obama voted to seat Michigan and Florida.

[AtomicKitten]

124. "conditions" ??????

Clinton math: "The sum of 5 porpoises plus 11 fire engines plus the Eiffel Tower plus 8 molecules of ammonia on the outermost ring of Saturn plus 13 kiwi fruits."

Per RealClearPolitics:
Obama 17,535,458 (+41,622)
Clinton 17,493,836

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/06/04/529184/-Hillary-Clinton-Did-NOT-Win-the-Popular-Vote-Media-Needs-to-Point-This-Out#

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/clinton-and-the-popular-vote/

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/06/hillary-clinton.html

[liberal_at_heart]

68. Her administration would be prosperous for the 1% that's for sure.

She may very well win, but she will have to do it without me.

[pangaia]

83. And without me.

What a fucked up country.
He ego is just too much for me to deal with.

[dflprincess]

97. Count me in with you n/t

[bluestate10]

70. I am not optimistic with republicans working with any Democratic President.

Remember, they Impeached Hillary's husband over whatever Ken Starr could dig up. Republicans will go after Hillary like she is raw meat. The only good republican party is a dead republican party and all of us should make that happen in 2016. We will be idiots if we spend precious energy fighting people that are fundamentally like us on core values, in that sense I state that I will support the 2016 Democratic nominee 100%, regardless of who that person is.

[marmar]

73. Is there something in the water today?

What's with the blitzkrieg of Hillary Clinton 4 Prez posts? ...... Didn't we just inaugurate Obama to his second term? ...... This never-ending campaigning makes me wish we had German-style elections.

[Bluenorthwest]

75. It's hard to not laugh out loud when I read that Republicans would vote for Hillary because

they like her and elected Republicans would work with her. That's just so off base. They hate her, hated her for years, will continue to hate her. Crazy Centrist Fantasy.

[Nay]

90. Really. What is this shit? The republicans would work with the woman

who KILLED VINCE FOSTER?? Who called them a conspiracy? Who LIED about getting shot at in the ME? They're gonna love her? Please. What a fantasy.

[BeyondGeography]

76. Oh for the love of Graham4Anything

[davidpdx]

115. You can say that again..........

[Initech]

82. Ok Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren vs. Rand Paul and Paul Ryan.

Hillary wins by a 40 - 10 margin easily.

[sabrina 1]

84. You got something wrong. It won't be 'some' on the Left, it will be a

majority on the Left who oppose her, me among them. I will never support another DLCer for any office, and NEVER someone who supported, and still does, Bush's disastrous Iraq War. She lost last time because of that. Obama got those of us who refused to vote for a candidate who got it SO WRONG on such an important issue.

It is three years to the election. No matter how much effort is put into making people 'get used to the idea of Hillary', it isn't going to work.

We Dems can no longer be persuaded to settle for a war supporter just because they have a D after their names.

In conscience I said it back in 2003 when the vote to clear the way for Bush to start that war took place and many of us were stunned by the Dems who voted for it, that I would never, ever support anyone who did that for anything.

She failed on one of the most important issues that faces a President, she got it so wrong and contributed by doing so, to so many tragic and needless deaths of our own troops and of so many innocent men, women and children.

No one who makes that kind of life and death error belongs in power imo. I have never changed my mind on that. It would be a slap in the face to all the victims and their loved ones to reward anyone who was so tragically wrong on that most important issue.

No to Hillary, Yes to Grayson and Sanders.

[fadedrose]

93. ++++++

[liberal_at_heart]

94. She also supports the TPP. Deal breaker. No more corporate democrats.

[DireStrike]

86. "4) Republican lawmakers will work with Hillary Clinton." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[bobduca]

89. gosh, if its "prosperous and positive" how can anyone be upset?

signed, Some on the Left

[Lifelong Dem]

96. If Howard Dean runs, I'm voting for him

Or Biden, or see who is running when 2016 gets here and then choose. Not everyone loves Hillary or she would have won the last time.

[dflprincess]

98. "Americans over 40 remember the Clinton presidency fondly"

Yeah, I get such a warm, fuzzy feeling when I think of NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

Oh wait, that's just the flush I get right before I

I'm through with corporate "Democrats".

[Beacool]

99. Let's take it a little more slowly.

I fervently hope that Hillary runs again, but it's too soon to be prognosticating an easy win. Three years is a lifetime in politics and many things can happen between now and then. I hope that she takes this year to enjoy herself, rest and write her book. She has at least another year or more before she has to make a decision, let's not jinx it.

[jsr]

100. Awesome prediction!

[mr_liberal]

101. I don't think its a lock that she wins.

It depends on what shape the country is in in 2016, what the economy is like and what people think about Obamacare. If those are negatives Democrats will be blamed and the Republican could win if its someone like a Chris Christie (moderate). Hillary is also a part of the Obama admin so she shares even more in the blame or credit.

[TDale313]

102. Agree with some of this, disagree with other bits, but:

"4) Republican lawmakers will work with Hillary Clinton. President Obama has an oil and water compatibility with many Republican lawmakers while Hillary will bring lawmakers together. "

This? Never. Did you forget they actually impeached Bill Clinton? Literally accused Hillary of murder? (Vince Foster, anyone?) They won't be any more respectful or cooperative with her than they have been with Obama. That's regardless of how much or little she reaches out to them. Not a reason to support her or not. They might react the same to any Dem President. Just saying, if you think they'll play nice with her, you have not been paying attention.

[Recursion]

103. Did I wake up in 2008?

Somebody go warn Billy Ray about his daughter!

[davidpdx]

116. ROFL

Now THAT is a good one.

Recursion: Hello, Billy Ray. I hate to tell you this, but your daughter is going to fall of her rocker, dress in skimpy outfits, and stick her tongue out at people on stage in a way that demeans herself. You have to stop her before it's too late! Oh and by the way Hilary Clinton is going to get elected president.

Billie Ray: Yeah right *click*

[quakerboy]

104. Jumped the shark at 4. Maybe 3

Republican lawmakers wouldn't work with Ronald Reagan if he put a D after his name. 4 is bunk.

As for 3.. You mean the people spoonfed Clinton hate for going on 20 years? The ones who want her head over the Benghazi whoopado? They are suddenly cool with her now?

Demographic changes would be in her favor, but they would be in the favor of any Democrat. Current events would be in her favor, those disaffected with the tea party looney's and the government shut down might see clear to vote for her. Or any Democrat who doesn't trip over themselves. But the bulk of Republicans? Shes possibly the only one they hated more than a black man running for office. A electoral win for Hillary would be a win over their metaphorical dead bodies. But they would love to see her win the primary! It would be like Palin winning their primary.

[DonCoquixote]

105. or

"
These reasons also explain why she will be challenged by the left. She's not going to be a proponent for liberalism other than the token bone thrown here and there. But her administration and presidency may be the most prosperous and positive in the past 50+ years. "

Or she can put the nails in the coffin of the left, ffinishing what her hubby started.

[avaistheone1]

107. Just don't feel the love

or the excitement for a Hillary Clinton presidency.

She will provide the status quo only.

[Marr]

110. This early sales campaign is really turning people off, imho.

And it doesn't help that your sales pitch is essentially, "Republicans like her, and she's not a dirty leftist".

Maybe she should run as a Republican?

[JVS]

112. Republicans don't like Hillary or Bill.

Where did you get that impression?

[nyquil_man]

114. You know what Republicans love even more? Power.

Barack Obama won the highest percentage of the vote for any candidate since 1988 - twice. He won the highest number of votes of any candidate in American history - twice. The Republicans sought from day one to hinder and destroy him. They're still doing it.

They did the same thing to Bill Clinton. Even when he handed them their agenda on a silver platter - on welfare, on trade, on the size of government - they worked doggedly to drag him down.

You may be right when you say that Hillary will coast to victory. But you're kidding yourself if you think the Republicans are just going to turn around and help her out. They are going to hate anybody in the Oval Office who isn't a Republican.

[davidpdx]

117. This breaking news just in

Another thread on DU declares the primaries over. The primaries are over and Hilary Clinton is the nominee.

[BootinUp]

119. Just to be realistic

For every positive point, there is the flip side to them. I think she will do well, but you are making it sound too easy by a good bit.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

120. I'm not opposed to a second Clinton presidency

I definitely think she is the most formidable candidate for 2016 and has the best chance of defeating the Republicans and keeping the White House under Democratic control for the next eight years. I think she will be a good President and I think she'll be a liberal President for the most part -I think your "token bone" comments are much too harsh on her.

Having said that, I think much of your post has a great deal of flawed logic in it

(1) Mostly agreed, although familiarity doesn't always guarantee success. Sometimes voters are in search of new faces, a change of direction, new policies, new vision. That was certainly the case in 2008. However, I think the political climate in 2016 will be favorable to a type of candidate like Hilary Clinton and that the attributes you ascribe to her will play in her favor

(2) I'm not American but I do remember the '90s' with fondness -it was the best decade of my life -and at least part of that was due to President Clinton's visionary, inspirational and steady leadership. However, I suspect that even Republicans who enjoyed that decade don't give President Clinton the credit he's due there. I've heard the argument before that it was the Republican Congress that guaranteed the economic prosperity and success of the 1990s by reining in the Clinton Administration and, while that argument may be completely fraudulent and bogus to the rational eye, I suspect most Republicans would rather subscribe to that deluded justification rather than give the Clinton White House its due

(3) For every average Republican who believes that, there are probably at least an equal or a greater number of Republicans who believe that the Clintons are the representation of all evil in the same way that they do about Obama. There will be Republicans who cross over to vote for Mrs. Clinton just as there were Republicans who crossed over to vote for President Obama or for John Kerry or for Bill Clinton or for Jimmy Carter and that may swing the election in her favor or add to her margin provided it is in the right states. But I doubt the evidence is there to suggest that Hilary Clinton will be held in some great esteem by the average Republican voter

(4) I think you misunderstand the intentions of Republican lawmakers in the modern era. The growing influx of tea party Republicans in Congress are not given to compromise or conciliation with any Democratic President and Hilary Clinton will be a lightning rod in the same way that Obama is now -not through any fault of her own but because she is a Democratic President. Even the more moderate conservative Republicans of the Bill Clinton era -the Gingrich folk -were determined to obstruct President Clinton's agenda at every turn even to the extent that they spent seven years trying to discredit him through his personal life -resulting in impeachment proceedings. If Clinton had won in 2008, I guarantee the Republicans would not have been any kinder with her than they were with President Obama

(5) If you really believe that, I really have no constructive words for you. Not even Roosevelt, JFK, Ronald Reagan or JFK had ratings that continuously high through their terms in office. Regardless of that, having continuous 70-ish ratings in terms of popularity isn't always a good thing. Sometimes doing the right things for the country makes you unpopular. Just ask President Carter, President Bill Clinton or President Barack Obama what their approval ratings were at times during their presidency when they made decisions and advanced policies that were in the national interest but were politically unpopular in the short-term

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