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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 11:54 AM Mar 2012

$1B of TSA Nude Body Scanners Made Worthless By Blog — How Anyone Can Get Anything Past The Scanners



"My legal battle against the TSA’s nude body scanner and pat-down molestation program continues in court, soon with a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court. If you’d like to donate to this effort, send PayPal to: jon [at] fourtentech.com

Add me on Twitter: @tsaoutourpants (no “of”)"

This interesting video and article article from: http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/1b-of-nude-body-scanners-made-worthless-by-blog-how-anyone-can-get-anything-past-the-tsas-nude-body-scanners/
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$1B of TSA Nude Body Scanners Made Worthless By Blog — How Anyone Can Get Anything Past The Scanners (Original Post) grahamhgreen Mar 2012 OP
Wow. I hope his movement gains traction. qb Mar 2012 #1
The reason is because COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #5
Indeed, and in fact that's why... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2012 #10
Israel has security personnel at airports outside Israel? LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #18
No, but local governments do Spider Jerusalem Mar 2012 #19
I'd prefer an approach Aerows Mar 2012 #14
he likes Ron and Rand Paul and wants to privatize TSA... sweet! Agony Mar 2012 #2
While I agree that the scanners are a scam, he's asking for the TSA to be privatized and I don't myrna minx Mar 2012 #3
Agreed. It should be abolished. grahamhgreen Mar 2012 #6
I don't agree with it either Aerows Mar 2012 #15
Well, Chertoff got his money, so he won't lose any sleep over it. bullwinkle428 Mar 2012 #4
Mission Accomplished! Octafish Mar 2012 #12
Geez. This means you could walk on an airplane with a gun in a shoulder holster. Kablooie Mar 2012 #7
I've been flying a lot . . . . Richard D Mar 2012 #13
they will just add a light pat down to anyone using the scanners Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #8
He lost me with "privatize security". Bucky Mar 2012 #9
so now they will scan you from the front, back and side. bahrbearian Mar 2012 #11
Unless they image from all 4 sides, instead of just front and back, of course...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #16
You could keep a gun under your toupee and get through unless the scan you from the top. Kablooie Mar 2012 #17

qb

(5,924 posts)
1. Wow. I hope his movement gains traction.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:15 PM
Mar 2012

Why our TSA doesn't just emulate Israeli airport security is beyond me.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
5. The reason is because
Reply to qb (Reply #1)
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:42 PM
Mar 2012

Israeli airport security is very labor intensive. You are closely questioned at very great length (20 minutes is not unusual) trying to spot any inconsistencies, nervousness, etc. by one or more highly trained agents. To do it on the scale of the US would require thousands of trained agents, not the ('I didn't get the job I wanted on the garbage truck so I joined the TSA') workers we now have, and would in addition require tremendous amounts of time to board any flight. You'd probably have to get to the airport at least 3 hours ahead for a domestic flight. Doubt the travelling public would put up with it. But I agree with the point you're making about needing better screeners.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
10. Indeed, and in fact that's why...
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 06:27 AM
Mar 2012

if you go to a major airport with direct flights to Israel you'll see signs on the concourse; "El Al passengers for Tel Aviv please arrive three hours before your scheduled flight", or something similar, because of the enhanced security process.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. I'd prefer an approach
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 12:07 PM
Mar 2012

that actually works over one that has now proven to be ineffective. I've always been against the scanners, and now that we know they don't work, we all know this was a money grab by the manufacturers of these machines. I wouldn't put it past them to have set up the underwear bomber just so that they could make money.

If it would require thousands of trained agents, so be it. Goodness knows we need the jobs.

I don't understand why they don't use dogs. Bomb sniffing dogs are incredibly efficient.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
2. he likes Ron and Rand Paul and wants to privatize TSA... sweet!
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
Mar 2012

at least that is what he implies on his blog, not that I think he is wrong about the body scanners...

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
3. While I agree that the scanners are a scam, he's asking for the TSA to be privatized and I don't
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:20 PM
Mar 2012

with that.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. I don't agree with it either
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 12:08 PM
Mar 2012

I just think it needs to be a hell of a lot more effective. So far these machines were a dreadful waste of tax payer money.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Mission Accomplished!
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
Mar 2012

Who flies commercial, anyway? Besides the little people?

From July, 2001:

Ashcroft Flying High

(Note CBS has changed the copyright date to 2009, implying a date other than when it aired.)

Kablooie

(18,571 posts)
7. Geez. This means you could walk on an airplane with a gun in a shoulder holster.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 04:46 AM
Mar 2012

Just slip the holster around so it's on your side and stroll right onto the plane, ready to take everyone to hell you.

Richard D

(8,693 posts)
13. I've been flying a lot . . . .
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:56 AM
Mar 2012

. . . and I don't get this. Every airport I"ve been to has a preliminary metal detector you go through and then the full body scan.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
8. they will just add a light pat down to anyone using the scanners
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 05:13 AM
Mar 2012

instead of the full invasive body search



don't get your hopes up on this one

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
9. He lost me with "privatize security".
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 05:44 AM
Mar 2012

He's providing a great, patriotic service doing this expose, but I think it's insane to hand over policing power to private firms. If someone has power over me, which airport security must have, I want them personally answerable to elected officials and the rule of law.

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