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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:06 AM Nov 2013

Krugman gets it : it's "A War on the Poor"

A War on the Poor
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Republican hostility toward the poor and unfortunate has now reached such a fever pitch that the party doesn’t really stand for anything else — and only willfully blind observers can fail to see that reality.

The big question is why. But, first, let’s talk a bit more about what’s eating the right.

I still sometimes see pundits claiming that the Tea Party movement is basically driven by concerns about budget deficits. That’s delusional. Read the founding rant by Rick Santelli of CNBC: There’s nary a mention of deficits. Instead, it’s a tirade against the possibility that the government might help “losers” avoid foreclosure. Or read transcripts from Rush Limbaugh or other right-wing talk radio hosts. There’s not much about fiscal responsibility, but there’s a lot about how the government is rewarding the lazy and undeserving.

Republicans in leadership positions try to modulate their language a bit, but it’s a matter more of tone than substance. They’re still clearly passionate about making sure that the poor and unlucky get as little help as possible, that — as Representative Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, put it — the safety net is becoming “a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency.” And Mr. Ryan’s budget proposals involve savage cuts in safety-net programs such as food stamps and Medicaid.

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In a much-cited recent memo, Democracy Corps, a Democratic-leaning public opinion research organization, reported on the results of focus groups held with members of various Republican factions. They found the Republican base “very conscious of being white in a country that is increasingly minority” — and seeing the social safety net both as something that helps Those People, not people like themselves, and binds the rising nonwhite population to the Democratic Party. And, yes, the Medicaid expansion many states are rejecting would disproportionately have helped poor blacks.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/opinion/krugman-a-war-on-the-poor.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131101&_r=1&
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/01/1252248/-Krugman-gets-it-it-s-A-War-on-the-Poor

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Krugman gets it : it's "A War on the Poor" (Original Post) kpete Nov 2013 OP
class war and open season on the homeless reddread Nov 2013 #1
Until there are more living wage jobs available seveneyes Nov 2013 #2
I agree. The Republican agenda is to keep that African American single mother mountain grammy Nov 2013 #3
lol ctsnowman Nov 2013 #5
"Ha ha. Tuff noogies for you smelly American proles. Smirk. Sneer." - Republicons (R) Berlum Nov 2013 #4
Government rewarding the "lazy and undeserving" brer cat Nov 2013 #6
Good thing PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #7
I hate that I have to pay for our military to send drones to kill families. L0oniX Nov 2013 #9
He would indeed agree with that. brer cat Nov 2013 #11
GOP ...the party of hate. L0oniX Nov 2013 #8
Get Out, Peasants! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #17
It's no coincidence that they coalesced the moment we got a black president. Marr Nov 2013 #10
+ 1 hibbing Nov 2013 #18
"no liberal" MissMillie Nov 2013 #22
it's laughable, granted Obama is what is known as a social liberal noiretextatique Nov 2013 #26
The tea party is the kick 'em when they are down party. Not very Christian of 'em. JEB Nov 2013 #12
Ironically, after their corporate puppetmasters shipped most of our manufacturing jobs out of the maddiemom Nov 2013 #13
You're so right cpwm17 Nov 2013 #20
It couldn't have been ironic or coincidental. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #28
Don't know... DirtyDawg Nov 2013 #14
They are enraged that they cannot resurrect slavery. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #15
Isn't serfdom a kind of slavery? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #23
It surely is. Good point. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #27
"Republicans are...acting out adolescent libertarian fantasies" handmade34 Nov 2013 #16
k & r thanks for posting..... nt Stuart G Nov 2013 #19
I think he is wrong hfojvt Nov 2013 #21
Yes it's the Two Santas Theory. The Democrats try to be Santa by spending to rhett o rick Nov 2013 #24
The poor are simply collateral damage so to speak - TBF Nov 2013 #29
and there you have it, directly from idiot america noiretextatique Nov 2013 #25
Ultimately it's about driving down wages. DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #30
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
1. class war and open season on the homeless
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:09 AM
Nov 2013

Not much interest in it.
definitely none from Republicans.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
2. Until there are more living wage jobs available
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:22 AM
Nov 2013

Nothing will resolve the problem or end the war for survival.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
3. I agree. The Republican agenda is to keep that African American single mother
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:57 AM
Nov 2013

from living like a queen on their money because that $130/month that she's "given" and refuses to "work" for (because, dammit, 2 jobs are never enough) because, you know, freedom.

brer cat

(24,559 posts)
6. Government rewarding the "lazy and undeserving"
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:25 AM
Nov 2013

plays very well with the ignorant (not low-information...just plain ignorant) voters the right depends on. My daughter's ex complains constantly about how much more he has to work to pay "extra" taxes so illegal immigrants will get benefits. The fact that he pays NO income taxes, in fact receives earned income credit of several thousand each year, simply doesn't penetrate his feeble brain. He lives to be the victim, he cherishes his role as the poor down-trodden worker who is forced to work long hours so that an undeserving able-bodied but lazy individual can have some of his money. If you took away his victimhood there would be nothing left to give him a sense of being superior in some way. "They" keep him from achieving financial success, not his lack of education and training or his unwillingness to sacrifice today for a better future. The GOP loves these voters and feeds them exactly what they want to hear.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
9. I hate that I have to pay for our military to send drones to kill families.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:35 AM
Nov 2013

Yea ...lets talk about what we hate to pay for. Sounds like this guy would have no problem paying for the military over paying for the poor.

brer cat

(24,559 posts)
11. He would indeed agree with that.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:57 AM
Nov 2013

He would also cut off his nose to spite his face since he is a taker and not a payer, but he would never admit that.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
10. It's no coincidence that they coalesced the moment we got a black president.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:50 AM
Nov 2013

Obama could certainly not be called a liberal, but the right's response to his presidency has been as though he were Mao Zedong. The Tea Party is largely built on racist fears and paranoia.

hibbing

(10,096 posts)
18. + 1
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:02 PM
Nov 2013

Hey,
Totally agree with you here. The racism is so blatant and in the open now it is very disheartening to realize so many ignorant idiots are out there. That is why when I see cheerleaders on here celebrating the demise of the Republican part I am on the sidelines feeling that is far from the case and am pessimistic.

Peace

MissMillie

(38,549 posts)
22. "no liberal"
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:31 PM
Nov 2013

no kidding

So many liberals moved to the middle to avoid being seen as "radical." Once that happened the right had to go further right to distance themselves from the "uber-liberal, socialist, radical left."

The Romney health care plan (and hence the ACA) was born from an idea from George H.W. Bush. Cap and Trade was an idea that was born out of the Reagan administration. But the right-wing spin machine would have the world believe that these are radical left ideas.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
26. it's laughable, granted Obama is what is known as a social liberal
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:20 PM
Nov 2013

but economically speaking, no way in hell can he be considered remotely liberal.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
13. Ironically, after their corporate puppetmasters shipped most of our manufacturing jobs out of the
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:02 AM
Nov 2013

country and in more recent years by outsourcing many of the few fallback jobs (such as call centers), those left out of luck are suddenly lazy moochers. Meanwhile the "job creators" dodge taxes and hoard their riches. The current unemployment situation and the many hopefuls that line up for almost ANY job speak for themselves. The right wing's (deliberate) cognitive dissonance really burns! And they're long past the point of showing any shame.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
20. You're so right
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:12 PM
Nov 2013

The only way to turn the US's economy around is for people to start voting in their own interests (usually the same as our country's interests).

As seems to be the case, many of the growing minority population are far less inclined to vote against their own interests. Even though immigrants do drive down wages, they also vote for politicians that could turn our country around.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
28. It couldn't have been ironic or coincidental.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:55 AM
Nov 2013

It was part of a long term plan devised in one of these government subsidized "think tanks".

 

DirtyDawg

(802 posts)
14. Don't know...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:33 AM
Nov 2013

...whether to call it 'they've come full circle' or 'they've never really changed', but this compulsion of the 'right' to refer to anybody 'less well off' than they as losers, or moochers, or takers, seems to me to be a pure example of Galbraith's definition of 'Conservative' as the search for a better excuse for selfishness...I mean no matter how much or how little they may have, the paranoid TeaPartiers will always worry that somebody out there wants to take it away from em or to get something they don't 'deserve' - their definition of 'deserving' of course.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
21. I think he is wrong
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:22 PM
Nov 2013

They may talk about it a lot, except Bush did not. His supposed "compassionate conservatism" was supposed to be about helping the needy. In his first inaugural address, he announced "when we see the wounded traveller on the road to Jericho, my administration will not pass them by." (paraphrased)

They TALK against the poor quite a bit, perhaps, but budget concerns, budget cuts, are mainly a platform for tax cuts. What they DO, what Bush DID, what the Republican House DID, was CUT TAXES.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. Yes it's the Two Santas Theory. The Democrats try to be Santa by spending to
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

help those in need. The Republicans try to be Santa by cutting taxes.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
29. The poor are simply collateral damage so to speak -
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:42 AM
Nov 2013

in a way I think you are right. I don't think they take it to the next step and realize those cuts will result in folks suffering. They are busy thinking about themselves and their portfolios. That someone else might be adversely affected is not in their mind and frankly wouldn't be if it were pointed out to them.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
25. and there you have it, directly from idiot america
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:17 PM
Nov 2013

they'd rather lose an arm than lend (a black person) a hand.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
30. Ultimately it's about driving down wages.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:02 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:22 AM - Edit history (1)

That's where the profit margin has always been. Without a social safety net people will have to accept lower and lower wages and poor working conditions. The Gilded Age is their utopia.

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