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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:57 AM Nov 2013

The Seditious Koch Bender: Why 54,000 People Are Calling for Arrests Over GOP Shutdown

The Seditious Koch Bender: Why 54,000 People Are Calling for Arrests Over GOP Shutdown
Published On October 24, 2013 | By james |
by Marc Belisle - http://www.theeverlastinggopstoppers.com/2013/10/seditious-koch-bender-54000-people-calling-arrests-gop-shutdown/

In a nation where money equals speech, it logically follows that corruption is ‘political discourse,’ and extortion is ‘a policy difference.’ This is the civics lesson that the Tea Party fringe of the Grand Old Party taught the American people this month. Just as our ancestors would have found it difficult to believe that the seemingly flat earth they lived on was, in fact, round; so too, the crime of seditious conspiracy against the USA that the GOP leadership and their billionaire backers just committed is so astoundingly huge, it is difficult to believe. Yet, it is frighteningly simple.

Under 18 USC § 2384, “seditious conspiracy” is defined: “If two or more persons … conspire to … by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States … they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.” Extortion falls under the legal definition of “force,” according to this explanation of the seditious nature of the GOP’s shutdown strategy, while this analysis argues that it may constitute an effort to defraud the government. The evidence is clear that multiple people conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the Affordable Care Act under the extortionate force of the threat of default.

The conspiracy is enabled by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision that legalized corporate money laundering for corrupting political campaigns. A landmark investigative report by the New York Times describes a complex web of influential wealthy donors and backers, former elected and appointed officials, secretive corporate PACs and current elected Republicans working together for months to overturn the ACA law. A plan was hatched and signed by leaders of groups including such big-time conservative political slush funds as Club for Growth, Tea Party Patriots, Traditional Values Coalition, The Paul Revere Project, National Tax Limitation Committee, FreedomWorks, and Citizens United, the same group that successfully sued for legalized corporate political money laundering in the first place. The project was heavily funded and supported by Americans for Prosperity, a PAC run by billionaire oil tycoons the Koch brothers, David and Charles, and their corporation, Koch Industries. Americans for Prosperity spent $200 million advertising against the Affordable Care Act. Through Americans for Prosperity and other PACs, the Kochs funded and supported Tea Party candidates, and even gave them their talking points, including ACA-defunding cheerleader, Senator Ted Cruz. Apart from Koch sponsorship, Cruz is also intimately connected to Goldman Sachs.

From its very beginning, the Tea Party was an AstroTurf movement funded and supported by the Kochs and their allies. David Koch was the Libertarian Party’s vice presidential candidate in 1980. ..........
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The Seditious Koch Bender: Why 54,000 People Are Calling for Arrests Over GOP Shutdown (Original Post) Coyotl Nov 2013 OP
Yes! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
You too can sign this petition ... Scuba Nov 2013 #2
Done! BillyRibs Nov 2013 #14
Using legal means to overturn a law is not sedition badtoworse Nov 2013 #3
It was. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #10
However, using legal means to overturn a law CAN be part of a seditious action. Coyotl Nov 2013 #19
people are fucking stupid and anyone supporting this is a scary moron. cali Nov 2013 #4
That article is a veritable avalanche of dumb. dairydog91 Nov 2013 #5
lol. super summation of staggering stupidity cali Nov 2013 #6
A stupidity-fueled reactor would provide energy independence, as well as eliminate the Republicans jeff47 Nov 2013 #7
They seem to stick around forever Fearless Nov 2013 #8
what Cali said... Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #12
Seriously. Anger management course would do you wonders. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #20
seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about cali Nov 2013 #21
I can tell you know all about anger issues... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #23
OMG!!! WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2013 #9
Anderson Was A Libertarian? DallasNE Nov 2013 #17
I don't think so. WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2013 #25
You are correct. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #29
Anderson was a Koch puppet siphoning votes from Carter. Coyotl Nov 2013 #18
Before it is too late,,,,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2013 #11
And suggestions like this are why hard-leftists are ignored. ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #13
The answers to 54,000 BillyRibs Nov 2013 #15
It Has Been Reported That 2 Days After DallasNE Nov 2013 #16
Another example of a compliant press... WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2013 #26
What an embarrassing display of ignorant people beclowning themselves. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #22
Rhetorical Question donheld Nov 2013 #24
Nobody ever seems to act on it because it's not sedition or treason. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #28
this is why we are often called 'the loony left' . This is ridiculous. bowens43 Nov 2013 #27
Unfortunate, but I don't think we have the political capital to do this- YET VADem1980 Nov 2013 #30
Throw them in jail for what? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #31
They were extremely seditious VADem1980 Nov 2013 #32
 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
3. Using legal means to overturn a law is not sedition
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:39 PM
Nov 2013

By that standard, the work that went into overturning laws that prevented black people from voting and enjoying their civil rights was seditious.

I can't believe this shit is still being pedaled.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. It was.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

"overturning laws that prevented black people from voting and enjoying their civil rights was seditious."

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
19. However, using legal means to overturn a law CAN be part of a seditious action.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:00 PM
Nov 2013

The law is not about standards, rather about intent against existing governance.

Intent is easier to infer than to prove, moreso for politically predisposed believers than for critical thinkers.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. people are fucking stupid and anyone supporting this is a scary moron.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:47 PM
Nov 2013

fuck these asswipes.

I'm so sick of this idiocy.

guess what, you fucking morons? The SCOTUS decision is the law. I don't like it. In fact, I hate it, but that doesn't change that it is the law of the land.

this is without doubt one of the most idiotic pieces I've ever had the misfortune of reading.

there was NOTHING in the GOP shutdown strategy that rises to sedition.

It was reprehensible on every level. what it was not, is sedition.

Ironically, this is right wing type "thinking"

fuck everyone who thinks like this.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
5. That article is a veritable avalanche of dumb.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:52 PM
Nov 2013

Last edited Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:28 PM - Edit history (1)

If we could create a stupidity-fueled reactor, that article would fully power America for the next century.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. A stupidity-fueled reactor would provide energy independence, as well as eliminate the Republicans
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:21 PM
Nov 2013

(They'd be fuel)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:23 PM
Nov 2013

I have never had an anger issue within my personal relationships. This is the internet. I like to swear. I don't care for stupid. You are a confused person and my guess is you know shit for all about anger management courses. I actually do- from a referral pov.



WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
9. OMG!!!
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:29 PM
Nov 2013
"David Koch was the Libertarian Party’s vice presidential candidate in 1980."

I may have to light my hair on fire and run around in circles because I voted for Anderson in 1980 during my libertarian days. I humbly apologize.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
17. Anderson Was A Libertarian?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:34 PM
Nov 2013

I always thought he was an old school liberal Republican in the mold of Jacob Javits and would have taken votes from Jimmy Carter, not Ronald Reagan.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
25. I don't think so.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:43 PM
Nov 2013

I know he ran as an Independent, but back in those days, I was still fairly naive politically. Carter was catching a lot of flack for a lot of stuff (deserved or not), inflation was off the scale. But there was just no way I could bring myself to vote for Reagan. I knew there was no way he was going to win, so it was a pure "protest" vote. Pretty much been doing this ever since:

Please excuse me...I've got to go put out the fire in my hair.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
18. Anderson was a Koch puppet siphoning votes from Carter.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:50 PM
Nov 2013

Probably coordinated by someone like Ed Meese.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
13. And suggestions like this are why hard-leftists are ignored.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:50 PM
Nov 2013

This is even more lunatic than the recent Tea Party tantrum over the ACA. And I thought no one could top that.

We're not a third-world country, misusing the legal system over political differences. Period.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
15. The answers to 54,000
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:55 PM
Nov 2013

People who are trying to do the right thing Buy many folks on this thread is Give up, Sell Out, This will Never work, and this is why no one takes you seriously. To all of you I say Go Ef yourself! give up, you are a sell out, nothing you do ever works, and I never take you seriously anyway!

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
16. It Has Been Reported That 2 Days After
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

The 2012 election that disgraced Reagan AG Ed Meese conducted a meeting where the plan to shut down the government over the Affordable Care Act. The first glitch in the plan they hatched was when the Senate passed a budget so the plan for the GOP was to abandon regular order, as the 1974 Budget Control Act requires by having Boehner not appoint House member for the joint budget committee. The Senate 20 times requested Boehner to comply with regular order and name those House members. Interestingly, nobody in the media bothered to ask Boehner why he was refusing to comply with the requirement of the Budget Control Act so they have some culpability in this as well. The idea was to have the fight not over a government shutdown but the debt ceiling where they felt Obama would be compelled to fold. Well, they got a few things wrong and the shutdown ended up happening before the debt ceiling was hit and the Republicans rightfully were blamed for the shutdown. So bitterness prevails, as evidenced by Sen. Sessions telling the President he can't stand the sight of his face, and we are heading for a new shutdown in January. Oddly, Republicans bent on destroying the federal government are unaffected by polls showing Congressional Republicans having a 22% favorable rating. Even traditional rank and file Republicans have abandon the GOP on this issue yet they trudge on. And to think, someone so disgraced as Ed Meese was calling the shots. The Reagan revolution has now come full circle.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
26. Another example of a compliant press...
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:50 PM
Nov 2013
Interestingly, nobody in the media bothered to ask Boehner why he was refusing to comply with the requirement of the Budget Control Act so they have some culpability in this as well.


Is it just pure ignorance of the law? Or an inability to do the job of a journalist? They just don't seem to know anything about anything, no research is ever done ahead of time. What should be obvious follow-up questions are never asked.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. What an embarrassing display of ignorant people beclowning themselves.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:32 PM
Nov 2013

The "sedition" / "treason" nonsense is really getting old.

donheld

(21,311 posts)
24. Rhetorical Question
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 02:18 AM
Nov 2013

I just have to wonder what one has to do, in this country. to be arrested for Sedition? It seems like that line should have been crossed by the Kochs among others, but nobody ever seems to act on it.

 

VADem1980

(53 posts)
30. Unfortunate, but I don't think we have the political capital to do this- YET
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:17 PM
Nov 2013

I would *LOVE* to see this happen, throw as many rethugs in jail as possible, but sadly we don't have the politcal capital to pull it off. Until then it's a pipe dream at best

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
31. Throw them in jail for what?
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

For doing what's legal? There is no sedition here and I hope to hell that we never gain that kind of political capital.

 

VADem1980

(53 posts)
32. They were extremely seditious
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:10 PM
Nov 2013

Where can I start? Bush Era war crimes, racial discrimination, willful conspiracy to deprive millions of Americans of health care, human rights violations writ large against undocumented migrants, voter suppression...the list goes on and on and on.

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