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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:35 PM Nov 2013

I'm Starting To Think... That In The Near/Soon Future... We're Gonna Have 4 Political Parties...

1) Left/Progressive

2) Corporate Democrat

3) Corporate Republican

4) Fucking Insane

Time will tell.

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I'm Starting To Think... That In The Near/Soon Future... We're Gonna Have 4 Political Parties... (Original Post) WillyT Nov 2013 OP
The last one made me laugh out loud. Th1onein Nov 2013 #1
Sadly there will still be only two parties even if there are four of them Fumesucker Nov 2013 #2
as a sprucan sailor I can tell you there are 2 types of subs littlewolf Nov 2013 #17
There are only two types of people. Thor_MN Nov 2013 #19
1. People who don't get easily sidetracked and make sense NuclearDem Nov 2013 #22
It will still end up as two opposite sides unless we adopt a parliamentary Cleita Nov 2013 #3
How about "no" brooklynite Nov 2013 #4
And who will lead these new parties? randome Nov 2013 #5
I see three, eventually. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2013 #6
Ah yes, we moderates are "illegitimate" brooklynite Nov 2013 #16
We have essentially one with power now woo me with science Nov 2013 #7
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #8
100% correct. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #11
We are in a winner take all system. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #9
the dems and pooks collude to keep 3rd parties from access to the ballot box. KG Nov 2013 #10
I think that would be great. I really hope it happens. morningfog Nov 2013 #12
me too. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #13
I could live with that, actually. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #14
Well spoken. But 3 and 4 will be forced to merge, and that is the boomersense Nov 2013 #15
I've already got a few TxDemChem Nov 2013 #18
I love the idea of the Left/Progressive splitting from the Corporate Dems. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #20
The 2 party system is designed to allow a little over 1/8 of the public to control the government FarCenter Nov 2013 #21

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
2. Sadly there will still be only two parties even if there are four of them
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:39 PM
Nov 2013

It's rather like naval warfare, there are only two kinds of vessels, submarines and targets.

Well, in American politics there are only punchers and punchees.

With the punchees being hippies of course.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
19. There are only two types of people.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:07 PM
Nov 2013

1.Those that can make inferences from incomplete data

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
3. It will still end up as two opposite sides unless we adopt a parliamentary
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:49 PM
Nov 2013

system. Our founding fathers didn't even think about parties in the system. We were just supposed to use the constitution to guide us and allow it to evolve accordingly.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
4. How about "no"
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:51 PM
Nov 2013

Setting aside the notion that "Centrist" doesn't automatically mean "corporate", it's extremely unlikely. At best you'd have one center-left/lenter/right Party and two marginal fringe Parites, but I think our political structure really doesn't allow for it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. And who will lead these new parties?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:56 PM
Nov 2013

The GOP/Tea Party/Libertarian group still has no one with charisma or intelligence to lead. Only self-defeating demagogues like Ted Cruz.

We have Obama. And while he could definitely use a lot more help, he's pretty awesome compared to the other side.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
6. I see three, eventually.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:23 PM
Nov 2013

1. Corporate DEM and GOP can easily amalgamate. Not much keeping them apart, near as I can tell. Nothing of consequence, anyway. Differences over race and sex and sexual orientation discrimination... all formerly in the way..... have fallen away. Money, power and hierarchy is what matters and they are of one mind here: these things must be preserved.

2. Then you have the legit DEM. ( That's most of us here, apparently.)

3. Finally the cultural conservative.... heretofore Republican.... right. Unlike Category 1.... some elements here can be educated... esp. as regards economic ( and maybe even foreign policy) issues.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
16. Ah yes, we moderates are "illegitimate"
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:38 PM
Nov 2013

...because purifying the Republican Party of moderates has been such a success...

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
7. We have essentially one with power now
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:24 PM
Nov 2013

that will do its very best to kill any others that begin to show signs of life.





Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
9. We are in a winner take all system.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:50 PM
Nov 2013

For there to be four working parties, you'd have to split the electorate more evenly. There are actually far more than four parties now. Just off the top of my head,The Democratic Party, Republican Party, Libertarian Party, and Green Party exist in most of the 50 states. Neither the Green nor libertarian actually elect very many people and they don't even register in Presidential elections. There are a bunch of other parties in every state, that rarely, if ever, elect anyone. So I don't see how we can suddenly be a four party system.

 

boomersense

(147 posts)
15. Well spoken. But 3 and 4 will be forced to merge, and that is the
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:35 PM
Nov 2013

problem. We will know what is down the road after the budget fiasco. I was at this Halloween Party last night in Santa Monica. I got to talking to this guy named Kerr Smith, who was in this tv show called Dawson's Creek (something like that--I don't watch tv). He was a real nice guy and we talked about politics for about 45 minutes. He too said he thought there would be four parties but thought the Republican Party would be very much diminished, which I do too. We had to stop talking when the Zombies arrived from another bar. The guy was really smart and I enjoyed talking to him. Just another gorilla talking to a zombie.

TxDemChem

(1,924 posts)
18. I've already got a few
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:06 PM
Nov 2013

Fucking Insaners at work. You are right about corporate dems...that group scares me.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
20. I love the idea of the Left/Progressive splitting from the Corporate Dems.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:08 PM
Nov 2013

I would really support the Left/Progressives if they did that.

I think a better idea, however, would be taking special interest big money (PACs, Super PACs, etc.) out of politics.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
21. The 2 party system is designed to allow a little over 1/8 of the public to control the government
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:13 PM
Nov 2013

First, only about half the electorate votes.

Second, if there is a block of about 26% of the voters, they can elect their candidate in the primary.

Third, the 26% can ally with another 25% of the voters to elect their candidate in the general.

Operationally, it is even less than 1/8 due to the way that party organizations control the nomination of party candidates for the primary election.

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