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gopiscrap

(23,756 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:50 PM Nov 2013

Wow SeaWorld is one giant douche bag of a corporation.

I was watching a documentary last night called "Blackfish" about killer whales who were preforming at SeaWorld. Those poor animals, being caged like that and manipulated like that. And the way they put their employees in danger! It's so fucked up.

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Wow SeaWorld is one giant douche bag of a corporation. (Original Post) gopiscrap Nov 2013 OP
Yep RobertEarl Nov 2013 #1
well as far as I am concerned all corporations are evil gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2
That would be false, of course RobertEarl Nov 2013 #3
a corporations sole goal is to part you from as much of your cash gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4
Corporations are a construct of humans, operated by humans TekGryphon Nov 2013 #5
Dogshit snort Nov 2013 #25
Is CostCo evil? Is Red Mill evil? TekGryphon Nov 2013 #30
You're right. Corporations aren't "evil…" MrScorpio Nov 2013 #27
I could not... deathrind Nov 2013 #29
CGI is pretty bad too Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #12
But on the other hand CFLDem Nov 2013 #6
So expolit it while we got it to exploit? I don't think so. What eco awareness do they propogate? marble falls Nov 2013 #8
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. CFLDem Nov 2013 #10
While I agree that museums have an educational value BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #11
exactly gopiscrap Nov 2013 #16
Seaworld lies about nearly every thing csziggy Nov 2013 #13
that's what I watched last night. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #17
I made the mistake of turning to it late csziggy Nov 2013 #23
I'm recording Blackfish now. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #21
On the other hand, I had always thought trainers were people with experience. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #26
SeaWorld is disgusting on so many levels. marble falls Nov 2013 #7
So sad 3Stones Nov 2013 #9
I don't think Seedersandleechers Nov 2013 #14
SeaWorld in 1968 made me destest them csziggy Nov 2013 #15
good for you! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #19
Thanks! csziggy Nov 2013 #20
That is important Beringia Nov 2013 #31
Man, you have no sense of humor whatsoever! AAO Nov 2013 #18
I watched tonight for the first time RebelOne Nov 2013 #22
See 'The Cove' and you'll never want to see another dolphin show, either. And forget Atlantis! ancianita Nov 2013 #24
If you want to read the definitive history on how... kairos12 Nov 2013 #28
+1 nt Zorra Nov 2013 #32

gopiscrap

(23,756 posts)
4. a corporations sole goal is to part you from as much of your cash
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:04 PM
Nov 2013

as possible for as little cost to them. It doesn't matter to them how they do it, even if it is done illegally just so as they don't get caught. Capitalism on the face of it is evil, it is based on pure selfishness.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
5. Corporations are a construct of humans, operated by humans
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:59 PM
Nov 2013

Calling all corporations evil is as absurd as calling all humans evil.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
30. Is CostCo evil? Is Red Mill evil?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:39 PM
Nov 2013

Pray tell, I want to see how far you're willing to run with your kindergarten logic.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
27. You're right. Corporations aren't "evil…"
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:46 PM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:07 PM - Edit history (1)

They're downright sociopathic.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
29. I could not...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:15 PM
Nov 2013

Recommend that documentary more. Yes, there are good business men in this world Ray Anderson for example, who is interviewed in that movie and passed away not long ago. But on balance corporations are not in the best interest of the planet or the human race.

Joey Liberal

(5,526 posts)
12. CGI is pretty bad too
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:48 PM
Nov 2013

Screwed up the healthcare web site and then cuts the healthcare benefits for its own employees.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
6. But on the other hand
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:20 PM
Nov 2013

Seaworld does bring a lot of Eco-consciousness about marine life to the mainstream.

We all know how public support works, if the public doesn't see it, it might as well not exist.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
10. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:39 PM
Nov 2013

Seaworld is a major rehabilitation facility for many injured animals including manatees and sea turtles.

I highly recommend visiting one of their parks if you haven't yet. I personally find it to be educational and enjoyable, especially since their message is specifically crafted to bring Eco-awareness to the youth.

Seriously you can't leave the park without a sense of appreciation for the marine environment. And the only losers would be the animals if that source of education was snuffed out.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. While I agree that museums have an educational value
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:46 PM
Nov 2013

It is the use of animals that have no business being in captivity and then made to PERFORM for our entertainment that leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. I used to enjoy Sea World in San Diego as a kid because I love anything to do with the ocean. But the more I learned at how the larger animals suffered, I can't go back. Just as with the places that keep captive dolphins for people to swim with, our entertainment should not equal the suffering of another highly intelligent being. People can learn plenty about the ocean at aquariums and there are many very nice ones.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
13. Seaworld lies about nearly every thing
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:51 PM
Nov 2013

They lie about the animals they keep caged being happy, they lie to their employees about former accidents - and THOSE lies lead to more accidents and deaths - they lie to the media about what has happened in their parks, they lie about the life expectancy of wild versus caged animals.

They do anything, in other words, to keep tourist dollars coming in, no matter what it costs in animal or human deaths.

Watch "Blackfish" on CNN. It will open your eyes to Seaworld's abuses. It's coming on in just a few minutes.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
23. I made the mistake of turning to it late
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:22 PM
Nov 2013

Didn't plan on staying with it, but couldn't turn away. Depressing, but really informative. None of those marine mammals should be kept in those conditions. Their actions remind me of elephants kept for circus performances - every so often one goes "rogue" and kills a handler.

This is not the way intelligent creatures should be treated. Marine mammals or elephants!

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
26. On the other hand, I had always thought trainers were people with experience.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:42 PM
Nov 2013

When you watch the interviews with men and women who had never been around animals... When they confess they know everything there is to know about "training" killer whales but nothing about killer whales themselves, when you see the widow of the man killed in Tenerife say that he took the job thinking he would be working on the sound systems...this is when you begin to realize what SeaWorld is..which is not something that should be seen.

When you see actual clips inside the park. Where the public is "learning" that killer whales live longer in captivity (which is a lie), you realize it is a sham.

As a child and young adult, I had always assumed that the people I was watching with these whales were marine biologists. I was wrong. I believed that 35 was the average age a killer whale lived to. Again I was wrong. The average life of a killer whale in the wild is on average with human beings.

This is why we have those willing to work with animals in the wild to learn more about them. To observe without tampering. We don't need to get "up close" or watch waving whales on a Jumbotron to be educated.

After watching this program, I will never visit the parks again. I am also grateful that my daughter didn't recently get the job she put in for at SeaWorld Orlando.

3Stones

(85 posts)
9. So sad
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:27 PM
Nov 2013

I had to watch Blackfish in different sections because it was so heartbreaking to take all at once. The worst part was taking him from his pod then using him as a sperm donor, humans masturbating whales is just sick. FREE TILLI!!

Seedersandleechers

(3,044 posts)
14. I don't think
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:00 PM
Nov 2013

I could watch that. If they are anything like the circus and I suspect they are, then the large marine life have a horrible life.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
15. SeaWorld in 1968 made me destest them
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:03 PM
Nov 2013

Flipper was kept in a small muddy pond, not free in the ocean as they made it seem in the TV show. The pond was a smaller area than I kept my horse in - and far too small for an animal whose living space should have been an ocean.

As a child I refused to go to zoos or circus animal rows at the fair. I grew up when circuses still had animals that were not part of their acts who were kept in cages the size of a minivan. Back then, many zoos kept their animals in cages not a whole lot larger.

I could FEEL the animals' despair and rage. They were clearly not happy, comfortable, or healthy in those enclosures. It was not a pleasure to view unhappy, sick animals, so I would not let my family pay money to encourage those conditions.

SeaWorld gave me the same feelings even though I was older. The animals were not happy in those little pools. I did not enjoy it and will never go back.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
20. Thanks!
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:16 PM
Nov 2013

I've been to two zoos since - The San Diego Wild Animal Park and the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. Both made the effort to make the animal enclosures large and as natural as possible. The only animals I got a 'caged' feeling from were the raptors at the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum and they were all rescues that could not be released to the wild.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
31. That is important
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:59 AM
Nov 2013

to see what the animals are feeling. It is obvious if you are open to it. I can no longer go to zoos either, realizing how unnatural it is for them in enclosures.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
22. I watched tonight for the first time
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:20 PM
Nov 2013

and it infuriated me. How can humans be so cruel as to exploit animals for entertainment?

kairos12

(12,852 posts)
28. If you want to read the definitive history on how...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:49 PM
Nov 2013

screwed up Seaworld is read the book "Death At Seaworld." I read it last year, it was mind blowing.

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