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muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:27 PM Nov 2013

Germany 'should offer Edward Snowden asylum after NSA revelations'

Writing in Der Spiegel, more than 50 high-profile Germans add to increasing calls for Berlin to welcome NSA whistleblower

An increasing number of public figures are calling for Edward Snowden to be offered asylum in Germany, with more than 50 asking Berlin to step up it support of the US whistleblower in the new edition of Der Spiegel magazine

Heiner Geissler, the former general secretary of Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, says in the appeal: "Snowden has done the western world a great service. It is now up to us to help him."

The writer and public intellectual Hans Magnus Enzensberger argues in his contribution that "the American dream is turning into a nightmare" and suggests that Norway would be best placed to offer Snowden refuge, given its track record of offering political asylum to Leon Trotsky in 1935. He bemoans the fact that in Britain, "which has become a US colony", Snowden is regarded as a traitor.
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The weekly news magazine also publishes a "manifesto for truth", written by Snowden, in which the former NSA employee warns of the danger of spy agencies setting the political agenda.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/germany-edward-snowden-asylum


Only in German so far: Asyl für Snowden: "Welcome Edward!"

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Germany 'should offer Edward Snowden asylum after NSA revelations' (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 OP
I believe Edward Snowden would be safer in Russia. RC Nov 2013 #1
K&R 99Forever Nov 2013 #2
The DR is only trying to find out how much material he has on THEIR surveillance ops Capn Sunshine Nov 2013 #3
I chuckled at this.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #4
That seems irrelevant; the point is the USA wants to jail people muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #5
Not irrelevant...ironic! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #9
K&R. But LittleBlue Nov 2013 #6
Lol. See Spiegel trying to sell mags Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #7
You mean the revolution against capitalism hasn't happened this weekend? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #11
Asylum for Edward Snowden Laughing Mirror Nov 2013 #8
DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #10
Snowden is trying to manipulate the politicians in foreign countries now. gulliver Nov 2013 #12
Our regime should give him his passport back and let him decide where to live. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #13
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
1. I believe Edward Snowden would be safer in Russia.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:31 PM
Nov 2013

Even if given asylum in Germany, the risks of kidnapping are much greater.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
3. The DR is only trying to find out how much material he has on THEIR surveillance ops
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:35 PM
Nov 2013

It's not like the EU doesn't have an Intel community fully involved in the same aggressive surveillance activities as the US, Russians, and Chinese.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
5. That seems irrelevant; the point is the USA wants to jail people
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:04 PM
Nov 2013

for pointing out what you say is obvious, and that all countries do.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
11. You mean the revolution against capitalism hasn't happened this weekend?
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:27 PM
Nov 2013

"Magazine tries to sell copies". Thanks for alerting us to that important factoid.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
12. Snowden is trying to manipulate the politicians in foreign countries now.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

His "revelations" used to be about the NSA spying on American citizens. Funny how that has morphed into something else. Snowden knows that dog won't hunt now. He knows that his Russian asylum clock is ticking down, and foreign countries don't care about the NSA spying on American citizens.

Snowden's only hope now is to manipulate the populations of foreign countries on whom the NSA is spying. It's Machiavelli 101. Snowden's new angle is to portray American NSA activity as insulting to foreign countries and their leaders. Politically, the leaders have to respond in some way. Anti-American leaders will use the information to strengthen their anti-American positions. Pro-American leaders have to react with outrage and call for reform. Huge, huge damage ends up being caused to U.S. interests abroad and it's all just manipulation by Snowden in a craven attempt to keep his asylum hopes alive.

Some in this country will no doubt follow Snowden down into this cesspool. They didn't notice the gear being shifted and the wheel being turned.

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