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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 04:42 PM Nov 2013

A collection of 1,500 artworks confiscated by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s has been found

A collection of 1,500 artworks confiscated by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s has been found in the German city of Munich, media reports say.

The trove is believed to include works by Matisse, Picasso and Chagall, the news magazine Focus reports.

Some of the works were declared as degenerate by the Nazis, while others were stolen from or forcibly sold for a pittance by Jewish art collectors.

If confirmed, it would be one of the largest recoveries of looted art.

Investigators put the value of the works at about one billion euros (£846m; $1.35bn), Focus said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24794970

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A collection of 1,500 artworks confiscated by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s has been found (Original Post) dipsydoodle Nov 2013 OP
WOW appleannie1 Nov 2013 #1
Worth well over a billion dollars Faygo Kid Nov 2013 #2
And those that don't think that TeaPukeBaggers would censor art, throw people into GITMO, etc. etc. SoapBox Nov 2013 #3
Freaking wow! malaise Nov 2013 #4
K&R! KoKo Nov 2013 #5
That's fantastic! dinger130 Nov 2013 #6
The movie based on that book is rury Nov 2013 #8
Yep. Here's the trailer... progressoid Nov 2013 #13
What a legal mess this will be. happyslug Nov 2013 #7
Well for the time being dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #9
Far Out!!! JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #10
Never again. nt PCIntern Nov 2013 #11
For some, I think they see that phrase as a challenge when it comes to Jews. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #21
Wow! Great! K&R! hue Nov 2013 #12
Thanks so much for posting, I probably would have missed this. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #14
plenty of pieces came home with US soldiers reddread Nov 2013 #15
Rather difficult to pack a painting into a duffel bag. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #20
Please prove your "fact". n/c oneshooter Nov 2013 #22
you dont think so? reddread Nov 2013 #23
So "you know so" is all you have? oneshooter Nov 2013 #24
you should start thinking reddread Nov 2013 #26
Again no proof that it occured oneshooter Nov 2013 #32
More here on subject at Guardian link : dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #16
I would really like to see pictures of the artworks in the collection. kwassa Nov 2013 #17
Cool!!!! Initech Nov 2013 #18
God Damned Bastards Mosaic Nov 2013 #19
this guy was a hoarder. all the locals stole everything even their land/homes. Sunlei Nov 2013 #25
Despicable and monsters that they were packman Nov 2013 #29
STOLEN, not confiscated datasuspect Nov 2013 #27
Too cool that it was found after all these years. Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #28
Reminds me of that movie "The Train" with Burt Lancaster ProfessorPlum Nov 2013 #30
Nazi trove in Munich contains unknown works by masters. dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #31

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. And those that don't think that TeaPukeBaggers would censor art, throw people into GITMO, etc. etc.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:23 PM
Nov 2013

...we always need to be mindful and never let such history repeat itself.

This find is amazing.

dinger130

(199 posts)
6. That's fantastic!
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:50 PM
Nov 2013

Just read last month a book entitled "The Monuments Men". Was a great read about stolen art and its recovery during World War Two. Highly recommend!

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
7. What a legal mess this will be.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:32 PM
Nov 2013

1500 painting, with almost all of the owners at the time the Nazis confiscated these paintings now dead. Who gets this artwork? Were they "abandoned" by their owners? The ones that were sold to the Nazis, a valid legal sale? The Nazis were the legal government of Germany in the 1930s, and if they confiscated them that would still be a legal confiscation (i.e. the German Government own these artworks).

Whoever is in charge of these pieces of art, will have to determine the last legal owner (which could be the Nazi Government), and who is the rightful heirs to these pieces of art? What if there are NO heirs? It will be a mess and people will be suing everyone.

Now, the Article says SOME of these pieces of art had been owned by Jewish Art Collectors WHO SOLD THEM. Others were confiscated from Jews (and by the general terms used also non-Jews. ie. "Degenerative art&quot but also other people.

The best solution may be for Germany to declare them all the property of Germany, subject to claims made to a commission made up of one German and One Israeli (the Israeli is due to the high number of these Art Works tied in with the Jewish Population of Germany, many of who left for Israel is their survived WWII. The Commission would have the final say as to ownership. If no owner is found (and that includes heirs of the original owners) of any of the art work, that remaining art work should be split between Germany and Israel.

Just a comment that this is and will be a legal mess that someone will have to resolve as to each piece of art. Maybe the best way is for Germany to declare them property of Germany and then donate all of them to Israel, thus Israel gets the headaches of deciding who gets what. What a mess this will be.

Such a commission could resolve the issue of what goes to which heir AND what goes to each country if no owner (which includes heirs to the owner who owned the piece of art at the time the Nazi took the Art Work). I suspect such a commission would resolve the resulting legal issues quicker and more fairly then a traditional court hearing, for this is 2013, WWII ended in 1945, 68 years ago. Thus we may be talking about the Great Grandchildren of the owners of these pieces of art in 1935, and we may be talking to no one for no one is alive.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
21. For some, I think they see that phrase as a challenge when it comes to Jews.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:43 PM
Nov 2013

Any way, and every way, they will try to make sure we will say it in vain.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
24. So "you know so" is all you have?
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:29 AM
Nov 2013

When the troops came home from WW2 they were searched for contraband. Any found was removed and returned to the owners, if known, or destroyed.

Now, prove your accusations.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
26. you should start thinking
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:34 AM
Nov 2013

many years have passed, with many, many troops stationed abroad, and so many german brides brought home.
Dont be so simple.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
17. I would really like to see pictures of the artworks in the collection.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:33 PM
Nov 2013

These were probably thought to be lost forever.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
19. God Damned Bastards
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 09:42 PM
Nov 2013

I don't want to read about nazis here unless they are put in their place as the demonic people they were.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. this guy was a hoarder. all the locals stole everything even their land/homes.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:52 AM
Nov 2013

IBM assisted to make lists of home address, names of every person & family removed. The camps kept records. That Corp should be required to provide those lists so everything stolen can be returned to survivors, including land and homes.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
29. Despicable and monsters that they were
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 03:20 PM
Nov 2013

they kept records and even prided themselves on their matriculate accuracy. I was shocked to read several years back about IBM involvement the record keeping. I always thought IBM was a child of the late 50's and 60's and strictly American at that time. IBM needs to do some explaining about their role in this dark time.

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
30. Reminds me of that movie "The Train" with Burt Lancaster
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 04:02 PM
Nov 2013

Of course, that one ends with them stopping the Nazi theft.

Good movie, actually. I'm glad this art stands a chance of being shared with the world again.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
31. Nazi trove in Munich contains unknown works by masters.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:38 PM
Nov 2013

Previously unknown artworks by masters are among more than 1,400 pieces found in a trove of Nazi-looted art in Munich, German officials say.
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Previously unregistered works by Marc Chagall, Otto Dix, Max Liebermann and Henri Matisse were found.
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Art expert Meike Hoffmann said some of the works were dirty but they had not been damaged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24818541

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