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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA collection of 1,500 artworks confiscated by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s has been found
A collection of 1,500 artworks confiscated by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s has been found in the German city of Munich, media reports say.
The trove is believed to include works by Matisse, Picasso and Chagall, the news magazine Focus reports.
Some of the works were declared as degenerate by the Nazis, while others were stolen from or forcibly sold for a pittance by Jewish art collectors.
If confirmed, it would be one of the largest recoveries of looted art.
Investigators put the value of the works at about one billion euros (£846m; $1.35bn), Focus said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24794970
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Really, priceless. Including a Matisse:
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SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...we always need to be mindful and never let such history repeat itself.
This find is amazing.
malaise
(268,993 posts)Rec
dinger130
(199 posts)Just read last month a book entitled "The Monuments Men". Was a great read about stolen art and its recovery during World War Two. Highly recommend!
rury
(1,021 posts)due in theatres this fall.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)1500 painting, with almost all of the owners at the time the Nazis confiscated these paintings now dead. Who gets this artwork? Were they "abandoned" by their owners? The ones that were sold to the Nazis, a valid legal sale? The Nazis were the legal government of Germany in the 1930s, and if they confiscated them that would still be a legal confiscation (i.e. the German Government own these artworks).
Whoever is in charge of these pieces of art, will have to determine the last legal owner (which could be the Nazi Government), and who is the rightful heirs to these pieces of art? What if there are NO heirs? It will be a mess and people will be suing everyone.
Now, the Article says SOME of these pieces of art had been owned by Jewish Art Collectors WHO SOLD THEM. Others were confiscated from Jews (and by the general terms used also non-Jews. ie. "Degenerative art" but also other people.
The best solution may be for Germany to declare them all the property of Germany, subject to claims made to a commission made up of one German and One Israeli (the Israeli is due to the high number of these Art Works tied in with the Jewish Population of Germany, many of who left for Israel is their survived WWII. The Commission would have the final say as to ownership. If no owner is found (and that includes heirs of the original owners) of any of the art work, that remaining art work should be split between Germany and Israel.
Just a comment that this is and will be a legal mess that someone will have to resolve as to each piece of art. Maybe the best way is for Germany to declare them property of Germany and then donate all of them to Israel, thus Israel gets the headaches of deciding who gets what. What a mess this will be.
Such a commission could resolve the issue of what goes to which heir AND what goes to each country if no owner (which includes heirs to the owner who owned the piece of art at the time the Nazi took the Art Work). I suspect such a commission would resolve the resulting legal issues quicker and more fairly then a traditional court hearing, for this is 2013, WWII ended in 1945, 68 years ago. Thus we may be talking about the Great Grandchildren of the owners of these pieces of art in 1935, and we may be talking to no one for no one is alive.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)they should be put in a German museum for the world to enjoy.
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)I'm glad that once again they shall have the chance to see the light of day. Cool..............
PCIntern
(25,544 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)Any way, and every way, they will try to make sure we will say it in vain.
hue
(4,949 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)fact.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)I know so.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)When the troops came home from WW2 they were searched for contraband. Any found was removed and returned to the owners, if known, or destroyed.
Now, prove your accusations.
reddread
(6,896 posts)many years have passed, with many, many troops stationed abroad, and so many german brides brought home.
Dont be so simple.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)other than your personal "feelings" about it.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)These were probably thought to be lost forever.
Initech
(100,070 posts)Mosaic
(1,451 posts)I don't want to read about nazis here unless they are put in their place as the demonic people they were.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)IBM assisted to make lists of home address, names of every person & family removed. The camps kept records. That Corp should be required to provide those lists so everything stolen can be returned to survivors, including land and homes.
packman
(16,296 posts)they kept records and even prided themselves on their matriculate accuracy. I was shocked to read several years back about IBM involvement the record keeping. I always thought IBM was a child of the late 50's and 60's and strictly American at that time. IBM needs to do some explaining about their role in this dark time.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)Packerowner740
(676 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)Of course, that one ends with them stopping the Nazi theft.
Good movie, actually. I'm glad this art stands a chance of being shared with the world again.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Previously unknown artworks by masters are among more than 1,400 pieces found in a trove of Nazi-looted art in Munich, German officials say.
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Previously unregistered works by Marc Chagall, Otto Dix, Max Liebermann and Henri Matisse were found.
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Art expert Meike Hoffmann said some of the works were dirty but they had not been damaged.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24818541