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boston bean

(36,224 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:01 PM Nov 2013

Top 10 Anti-Abortion Myths

1. "You can't be pro-choice and be anti-death penalty/anti-war at the same time."

False. The pro-choice position is predicated on the idea that women have the right to decide whether to carry their pregnancies to term. The victims of the death penalty and war are fully conscious persons rather than presentient entities in a woman's womb, so the moral questions involved are entirely different.

2. "Abortion causes breast cancer."

Mostly false. In 1997, the New England Journal of Medicine published the largest-scale study ever on this subject--with 1.5 million participants--which concluded that there is no independent link between abortion and breast cancer. Clearly if abortion does increase the risk of breast cancer, it does so by an undetectably small margin. Becoming pregnant and carrying a pregnancy to term may, however, reduce the risk of breast cancer.

3. "This is what an abortion looks like."

Almost always false. Many abortion protest photographs are artist's renderings or the result of image manipulation, and the bulk of the rest are of very late-term fetuses aborted for emergency medical reasons. The most well-known graphic abortion poster is of a 30-week-old fetus, aborted six full weeks into the third trimester. The vast majority of abortions are performed during the first trimester, and Roe v. Wade only protects first and second trimester abortions.

4. "Even first-trimester fetuses can feel pain."

False. Fetal nerve cells can react to trauma, but pain reception requires a neocortex--which is not formed until early in the third trimester.


5. "Fetuses become conscious at 8 weeks."

False. Fetuses begin to develop a minimal brain stem at 7 weeks, but are not capable of consciousness until the third trimester and most likely remain unconscious until birth. As one brain scientist puts it: "the fetus and neonate appears incapable of ... experiencing or generating 'true' emotion or any semblance of higher order, forebrain mediated cognitive activity."

6. "Emergency contraception causes abortions."

False. Emergency contraception prevents pregnancy from occurring in the first place by blocking fertilization of the egg and subsequent implantation in the uterus; it does not, and cannot, induce abortions. If your objective is to reduce the number of abortions, then the single most effective thing you can do to achieve that goal is to help make emergency contraception universally available over the counter.


7. "Banning abortion will get rid of it, once and for all."

False. In El Salvador, abortion is illegal with a possible 30-year prison sentence attached--and women can still easily obtain cheap black market abortificients to induce abortion. The only drawback? No medical supervision. Banning abortion won't put an end to abortion, but it will put women's lives at risk.


8. "Pro-choice activists want to increase the number of abortions."

False. Pro-choice activists lead the charge in advocating comprehensive sex education, increased access to birth control, condom use, and emergency contraception, all of which reduce the incidence of abortion. Strangely, anti-abortion activists work equally hard to make these options more difficult to access--creating the impression that the anti-abortion movement is more concerned with sexual purity than abortion.

9. "Pro-choice activists want abortion on demand until the moment of birth."

False. Pro-choice activists work to protect the Roe v. Wade standard, which allows states to ban elective third-trimester abortions. The debate over late-term and partial-birth abortions has to do with abortions performed for emergency medical reasons, not elective abortions.


10. "Human life begins at conception."

False. Human life actually begins prior to conception, because each sperm and egg cell is a living thing. It is more relevant to discuss when sentience, or self-awareness, begins. In 2000, the British House of Lords established a Commission of Inquiry into Fetal Sentience, which estimated that higher-level brain development begins to commence at about 23 weeks.


http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/abortionmyths.htm

Posting these so persons can recognize when they come across anti choice comments on the web and how to counter it.
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Top 10 Anti-Abortion Myths (Original Post) boston bean Nov 2013 OP
Thanks for then info. Very informative. Arkansas Granny Nov 2013 #1
I particularly like # 10 boston bean Nov 2013 #2
lol. I hear there's something about that in the Old Testament which Arkansas Granny Nov 2013 #5
True, something about going blind? boston bean Nov 2013 #12
Love #8 gollygee Nov 2013 #3
Probably also true GeoWilliam750 Nov 2013 #19
Good stuff - K&R - nt Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #4
thank you! handmade34 Nov 2013 #6
Thanks for this video. redqueen Nov 2013 #14
Seconding redqueens thanks for posting. boston bean Nov 2013 #15
thankyou, bostonbean. excellent info to have BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #7
Number 7, and its correllary, SheilaT Nov 2013 #8
Yeah, they conveniently forget how it was pre Roe v Wade. boston bean Nov 2013 #9
I hope the anti-choicers here take notice of this thread. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #10
Yes, I love number ten passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #11
Humans apparently have the highest rate of miscarriages of SheilaT Nov 2013 #23
K&R MadrasT Nov 2013 #13
I have another one... kag Nov 2013 #16
Good input. Yes, what you say is true. boston bean Nov 2013 #17
k&R nt TBF Nov 2013 #18
A minor quibble in an otherwise excellent post Pmc1962 Nov 2013 #20
Excellent point and welcome to DU ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #22
K&R CFLDem Nov 2013 #21
I assume you/the author mean anti-choice myths Doctor_J Nov 2013 #24
I quoted directly from the article. boston bean Nov 2013 #25
yeah, the author uses the term "partial birth abortion" too. These phrases make my antennae Doctor_J Nov 2013 #27
again, it's difficult with all the obsfucation the rw puts out there boston bean Nov 2013 #28
K&R and bookmarked! JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #26

Arkansas Granny

(31,538 posts)
1. Thanks for then info. Very informative.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:16 PM
Nov 2013

Unfortunately, the anti-choicers don't deal in factual debate on the subject. Their most effective tools are fear and misinformation.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
2. I particularly like # 10
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:24 PM
Nov 2013

Ask all those anti choicer men how much spilt seed (lives) they estimate they've killed over their lifetime. Considering they produce over 100 million sperm cells per day.

Arkansas Granny

(31,538 posts)
5. lol. I hear there's something about that in the Old Testament which
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:41 PM
Nov 2013

they are so find of quoting when they're talking about people they condemn.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
3. Love #8
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:27 PM
Nov 2013

"creating the impression that the anti-abortion movement is more concerned with sexual purity than abortion."

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
19. Probably also true
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:36 PM
Nov 2013

However, it has always seemed to me that the anti-abortion movement was all about obtaining power over women, as is the anti-contratraception, anti-sex education movements. It always seems that all of these movements are about domination of others. With domination/power comes the ability to extract resources/labour from the weak.

As women take a greater share of control over their own lives and bodies, the right wing will have less - and they do not like it.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
14. Thanks for this video.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:43 PM
Nov 2013

We really do need to start working hard to end the silence and stigma.

Our rights are being eroded as we speak.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
15. Seconding redqueens thanks for posting.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:09 PM
Nov 2013

Loved the video.

The rhreality link is depressing as all hell! But a good resource to keep track of the most recent anti choice efforts across the nation.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. Number 7, and its correllary,
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:02 PM
Nov 2013

that women don't get abortions when abortions are illegal or that women apparently didn't get abortions before Roe v. Wade makes me the craziest.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
9. Yeah, they conveniently forget how it was pre Roe v Wade.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:14 PM
Nov 2013

Mind boggling stupidity to think they can actually stop abortions.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
11. Yes, I love number ten
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:30 PM
Nov 2013

I was thinking about this "conception" issue today and my thought process was that conception does not mean a new human is formed, it means a joining of living cells. Every day when you wash your face, you kill some of your live cells. Some cells live and some cells die, and some new cells are generated to replace older cells that have died. Just like people who are born to replace others who have died. It's just a life process, but lots of things happen to change or interrupt those processes.

From an atheist's perspective, I will ask that if all fertilized eggs (conception) are meant to become a living delivered child, by some higher power, then why are there so many natural miscarriages? Many fertilized eggs are miscarried, or never attach to the womb, and no-one even knows it happened.

Many fertilized eggs are deformed and never should be brought to term because they will suffer and die, yet some believe that because they have a "soul" from the point of conception, they need to be born. I wonder if that means that as medicine advances these people will attempt to keep these deformed fetuses from naturally aborting, and force them to be born even though the body would normally reject them? How far will this "religion" thing go?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
23. Humans apparently have the highest rate of miscarriages of
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:10 AM
Nov 2013

any mammals. I just finished a book about human evolution which states that perhaps only 25% of conceptions result in birth.

Another thought for the religious: if you really believe in a soul and a merciful, loving God, then surely you believe the souls of the aborted (for whatever reason) immediately go into the presence of God. In a similar way it strikes me as absolutely creepy that those who most claim to be religious, to believe in God and an afterlife, are most anxious to preserve life at all cost. Weird.

kag

(4,079 posts)
16. I have another one...
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:12 PM
Nov 2013

My son once stopped at a pro-lifers table at a fair we were attending, just to ask them questions and get "the other side of the story" from my own and my husband's. One of the first things he was told was...

"Most women who get abortions regret it later in life."

When he told me this I almost spat out the lemonade I was drinking. I asked him if they had any research to back that up, and of course they didn't...just apparent "testimonials". But it made me angry that this is how they get people to fear abortion so much--just scare them into thinking that having a child is "easy" and having an abortion is hard and something that you will regret later in life, when for many women just the opposite is true.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
17. Good input. Yes, what you say is true.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:18 PM
Nov 2013

The only ones that aren't shamed into silence are those who say they regret it. Other women are persona nan grata.

Pmc1962

(43 posts)
20. A minor quibble in an otherwise excellent post
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:41 PM
Nov 2013

Please don't use the term "partial birth abortion". It is a non-medical term created by the other side, which is neither descriptive or helpful. It is misleading and inflammatory.

Dilation and extraction is the correct medical term, whether to evacuate a dead fetus or to perform a late term abortion. Unfortunately, many places have banned D&X's, so women with fetal demise can't get proper medical care because of the politicization of the procedure, using the misleading term "partial birth abortion".

On another note, the other side has tried to redefine pregnancy (which shows a lot of nerve), so the circumstances leading to a pregnancy are considered a the same as a valid, established pregnancy. That is why emergency contraception is considered an abortion by the other side, based on an older and erroneous understanding of the mechanism of action. Previously, Plan B was felt to prevent implantation (later proved to be false). If a fertilized egg before implantation is the new definition of pregnancy, then preventing that fertilized egg from implanting is the same as an abortion. Not logical, not based on science or reality, but makes a great rallying cry as long as you are ignorant of facts.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
24. I assume you/the author mean anti-choice myths
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:37 AM
Nov 2013

Strange how those on "our side" adopt the far right term "anti-abortion". I am anti-abortion. I am also pro-choice.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
25. I quoted directly from the article.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:17 PM
Nov 2013

If you will read my comments, I clarify using the term "anti choice".

It's not so much an adoption of rw terms, people use them interchangeably, when to be more precise they should use anti choice.

If the intent is clear, I don't worry about the semantics. However when/if one tries to use terms to confuse people, it's important to be more precise, so one isn't going in circles when debating a right wing anti choice nutso.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
27. yeah, the author uses the term "partial birth abortion" too. These phrases make my antennae
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

go up. It seems heartfelt but she's speaking in RW language

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
28. again, it's difficult with all the obsfucation the rw puts out there
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:24 PM
Nov 2013

If a person uses a wrong term and they are meaning as pro choice, I don't find the need to get hung up on the semantics.

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