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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:09 AM Nov 2013

If the ACA is a giveaway to insurance companies, why are they contributing to the negative press?

It seems like many insurance companies are going out of there way to link the ACA with every price hike or cancellation. Do they want new customers or not?

Also, if states have information on how many insurance policies were cancelled, can't the media go back to previous years and compare? Where was the concern for people getting cancellations and price hikes before 2009?

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If the ACA is a giveaway to insurance companies, why are they contributing to the negative press? (Original Post) fried eggs Nov 2013 OP
because now they have to spend on CARE, and not profit. LaydeeBug Nov 2013 #1
They're using the opportunity to create confusion to allow price-gouging... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #2
Interesting theory! You think it's an attempt to scare the invincibles fried eggs Nov 2013 #4
I don't think they hate Obama. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #5
"heads of the insurance companies hate Obama so much . . . " datasuspect Nov 2013 #6
They're crying all the way to the banksters who are also crying because of the negative press jsr Nov 2013 #3
Standard subterfuge seveneyes Nov 2013 #7
4-D chess. Obama is not the only one who plays. pampango Nov 2013 #8
they need to "win" the PR battle alc Nov 2013 #9
 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
1. because now they have to spend on CARE, and not profit.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:11 AM
Nov 2013

single payer would have eliminated them altogether

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. They're using the opportunity to create confusion to allow price-gouging...
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:12 AM
Nov 2013

Would be my guess. Disaster Capitalism.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
4. Interesting theory! You think it's an attempt to scare the invincibles
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:14 AM
Nov 2013

away so that prices go up?

I wonder if it could also be that the heads of the insurance companies hate Obama so much that they are cutting off their nose to spite their face? Maybe their hatred blinds them to the fact that they're just making it easier for the whole thing to be overturned and all the potential customers to disappear?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. I don't think they hate Obama.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:47 AM
Nov 2013

After all, Big Insurance IS Wall St (Obama's "base&quot . They are merely creating a state of confusion, whereupon they can steal the gold without anyone looking. And if they get caught doing somwthing illegal, what's gonna happen? A mere slap on the wrist is all.

A similar situation is happening with flood insurance, as the federal subsidies expire. Flood insurance is set to increase by as much as 8 to 10- fold. Modest houses here in St Pete might see premiums of 10-30 thousand dollars for a 250K dollar house (which is pretty average for here, for a non-waterfront home). There is an area of town here, Shore Acres, that is an old derdge and fill devwlopment...many canals, and low-lying ground. It gets flooded regularly, about 4 major times in past 35 years. This happens when a major rain event combines with unusually high tides, and the streets flood. Per a recent article in the Tampa Bay Times, its one of the most flood-prone areas of the entire US. Theres all kinds of arguements going on, whether the govt should subsidize insurance...but completely unmentioned is the fact that that area has collected $55 million in insurance claims, while making premiums totalling $280 million during the same time span. The insueance Cos are making a killing, even without federal subsidies. They just using the chaos and confusion to try and make more money.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
6. "heads of the insurance companies hate Obama so much . . . "
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:49 AM
Nov 2013

i lauged and cried when i read that.

shit, they are hoisting magnums of the finest champagne in his honor.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
7. Standard subterfuge
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:56 AM
Nov 2013

They know they're in the driver seat now and need the facade to hide their complicity in the ripoff. If they can help get the GOP on their side, then they can charge even more. Brown bagging and corruption pays better than honesty.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
8. 4-D chess. Obama is not the only one who plays.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:11 AM
Nov 2013


When our friends or enemies don't do what we expect, it is logical to contend that they are using a complicated strategy rather than considering whether we misjudged them or the issue at hand.

alc

(1,151 posts)
9. they need to "win" the PR battle
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:41 AM
Nov 2013

In theory they get lots more customers this year. But corporations want to increase profit year-after-year ("increase" is the key for growth, not stead profit). Any problems people have with them doing this need to be seen as the ACA's fault, not theirs. They want to keep jacking up premiums while we keep blaming the government.

The medical loss ratio (mlr) says they have to spend 80-85% of premiums on medical costs. That means the only way to increase profit on ACA policies every year (after first year of increased customers) is to increase medical costs and they have plenty of ways to do that. This will lead to battles with regulators that they will play out in the media. They need to get the upper hand now. When regulators tell them to decrease costs (no premium increase) they will start screaming "death panel". If they win the battle now, the media and customers are more likely to side with them wanting to "cover everything" rather than regulators who want to decrease premiums.

If regulators do "win" the MLR battle, the insurers will be able to increase profit by offering supplemental policies to cover everything the "death panels" (aka regulators) have caused them to cut. They will also want to blame the ACA for that, so they need their customers to have a negative view of the ACA and not them.

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