Don't look now but the Miami Dolphins may implode over threats and racial taunts

[Are_grits_groceries]

The Miami Dolphins have suspended offensive lineman Richie Incognito indefinitely, as an investigation into the developing Jonathan Martin situation unfolds. NFL Network’s Jeff Darlington was the first to report the news Sunday night.

“We believe in maintaining a culture of respect for one another and as a result we believe this decision [to suspend Incognito] is in the best interest of the organization at this time,” the Dolphins said in a release. “As we noted earlier, we reached out to the NFL to conduct an objective and thorough review. We will continue to work with the league on this matter.”

Martin walked out on the Dolphins Monday, reportedly because he had been subjected to substantial ridicule from some of his teammates. Incognito was placed at the heart of those incidents, on multiple occasions by ESPN. He took to Twitter on Sunday morning to demand his name be “cleared,” after the Dolphins released a statement saying that “the notion of bullying is based on speculation and has not been presented to us as a concern.”

Incognito’s series of tweets included one that implored ESPN’s Adam Schefter to “stop slandering my name.”

However, an additional report from Schefter and his colleague Chris Mortensen read that “Martin has not filed a formal complaint because he fears retribution, primarily from Incognito.” Then, on Fox Sports Live Sunday night, NFL insider Mike Garafolo said that (per Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller), “Multiple sources told me Martin’s camp informed Dolphins and NFLPA that Incognito sent threatening and racially charged texts”
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http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/04/richie-incognito-suspended-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin/

This is going to be nasty. There are supposedly several players who were involved with Incognito although he was the ringleader.
This also may be investigated as a possible hate crime.
AND this may take down a lot of people in the hierarchy. Somebody knew.

[jberryhill]

1. So?

I don't know much about football, but I gather this guy's job is to be an "offensive lineman".

It would appear he's got the "offensive" part nailed down. How is he doing at the "lineman" part?

[HERVEPA]

3. Nice sensitive coment in response to racial taunting.

Doesn't reflect well on you.

[jberryhill]

15. By emphasizing that his behavior is "offensive"?

I would think that it would reflect worse on me if I considered his behavior to be inoffensive.

He is, indeed, an offensive lineman.

[woolldog]

5. Really?

So the OP goes to a lot of trouble to post and edit an article and your response is "so"?

How rude. If you're not interested in the article then just skip the rude (and unfunny) response next time. So many assholes on the Internet.

[Divine Discontent]

131. some folks are only complete when they're being

insufferable! lol

you see these kind of "so?" and "who cares" comments on other sites like yahoo, or such, but you'd think someone on DU would not comment on an article with that kind of comment, maybe unless they were having a really bad day.



Get it here -> http://www.zazzle.com/youre_not_in_the_1_why_vote_like_you_are_bumpe_bumper_sticker-128479630785214922?rf=238107662556833486

[Are_grits_groceries]

6. So you post to snark about a serious situation.

Does it matter if it's football?
This is what is brewing in areas of sport's culture. It seeps down to all levels.

This will be a national story because it is a high profile sport and team. You can deride sports and mock it all you want. However, it may put the focus on bullying and other harmful practices that are negative. That is where the focus needs to be.

[jberryhill]

12. There is irony in his job title "offensive lineman"

I guess I don't expect much from adult men who are paid millions of dollars to play with a ball.

I'm not entirely clear on what an "offensive lineman" is, but he sure seems to fit the job title.

You don't think the guy is offensive? I sure do.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

18. if you don't know anything about football and you don't care about the story

...then maybe it's better if you don't participate and end up making a fool of yourself.

[jberryhill]

21. Or I could bump the thread....

...since the more replies it gets, the longer it stays on the first page of GD.

I agree the guy is offensive. If you don't, I can't help you.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

29. I'm going to leave you to ponder 3rd grade interpretations of "offensive linemen"

You apparently didn't get that no one thought it was funny the first time around. Pushing it for the 4th or 5th time lets me know you're in a different place, and that conversation with you won't be productive.

[jberryhill]

76. I am shamed, and will go Incognito from now on

[Sheldon Cooper]

20. Are you seriously saying that you don't know what an 'offensive lineman' is?

[jberryhill]

22. I'm certain the one in the OP is an offensive lineman

[LanternWaste]

42. Much as many have learned not to expect too much

" I don't expect much from adult men who are paid millions of dollars to play with a ball. .."

Much as many have just recently learned not to expect too much from those whose best lead-off is merely a spurious play on words worthy of a very intelligent pre-k student.

[jberryhill]

49. Pre-K?

Hey now, not only did I make it to 2nd grade, but I did it TWICE! So there.

[WilliamPitt]

56. Ow.

My brain.

[ChazII]

34. Offense as a noun

which is the position he plays. Or offense as in his behavior.

They ARE pronounced differently and being different parts of speech they have different meanings.

The offensive lineman behavior was deemed offensive.

Thus ends the grammar lesson for the day.

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. How are they pronounced differently....I say them both the same.

[jberryhill]

72. It might be a regional thing

The police arrested the suspect for an offense (uh-FENS)

He plays offense for the team (OFF-ens)

I guess that applies to "offensive" as well.... That note is offensive (uh-FENS-iv). He is an offensive lineman (OFF-en-siv)

But some people say "oh-FENS-iv" instead of "uh-FENS-iv".

It's probably less prounounced if your first syllable sounds more like "aw" than either "uh" or "oh".

[freshwest]

140. I say 'Aw-fenz.' It's better than 'Aw-fux.'

[WinkyDink]

97. One plays OF'fense; one commits an ofFENSE'. Not "regional."

[VanillaRhapsody]

106. Wrong...it IS the same word...

of·fen·sive (-fnsv)
adj.
1. Disagreeable to the senses: an offensive odor.
2. Causing anger, displeasure, resentment, or affront: an offensive gesture.
3.
a. Making an attack: The offensive troops gained ground quickly.
b. Of, relating to, or designed for attack: offensive weapons.
4. (fn-) Sports Of or relating to a team having possession of a ball or puck: the offensive line.
n.
1. An attitude or position of attack: go on the offensive in chess.
2. An attack or assault: led a massive military offensive.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/offensive

[ChazII]

122. VR, offensive is pronounce the same

HOWEVER, offense and offense ARE pronounced differently where I live. Plus, I was corrected multiple times by my speech teacher - articulation, naturally.

[VanillaRhapsody]

123. You may pronounce them differently...but the word is the same...

the question was are they the same word...and Yes they are...your Speech teacher was wrong. A dictionary trumps her or him.

[jberryhill]

132. Are there any other words like that

...where pronunciation depends on context?

[VanillaRhapsody]

137. but pronunciation doesn't change the definitions...

Offensive language is the same word as Offensive line...

Just as Defensive and Defensive line are using the same word just a variant definition.

[jberryhill]

138. I get that they are the same word

But "defense" is another example.

[VanillaRhapsody]

139. But others on this thread did not...basically calling them different words

because they pronounce them differently....that is not the case.

[VanillaRhapsody]

124. yes...regional.

they are exactly the same word.

[ieoeja]

73. For the record your post would garner laughter in 99% of the United States.

DU is famous for its inability to mistake dark humor for disregard of a problem. Worse yet, DUers often view it as signifying agreement with the transgressors.

Heck, you could joke about an incident in which you were the victim, and I bet some DUer would accuse you of siding with the attacker.


This place is also surprisingly prude. One of my reasons for being Democratic is that the Democrats put the party into Party politics. We are supposed to be the fun loving, pro-sex and drugs party. DU has convinced me that the whole stick-in-the-mud persona our pols show in public just may actually be true. Our pols really are lifeless drones who disapprove of everything fun.

[jberryhill]

75. He's been so embarrassed by the thing, he's now going Incognito

[ieoeja]

78. See? You even made the cow laugh. n/t

[Rex]

133. You have the same sense of humor as a bulldozer.

One major difference - the bulldozer is a little more gentle in it's delivery than ye be.

What a strange word - bulldozer. It is not a bull nor does it sleep.

[jberryhill]

134. Geez, he's an "offensive lineman"

I thought it was low-hanging fruit.

[Rex]

135. Your prose was interesting.

But less of a joke and more literal in meaning. Some of us are slower on the uptake then others.

[jsr]

4. "Dolphins veterans using younger players as ATMs to finance their nightlife whims"

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/04/3729152/incognito-dolphins-push-back-against.html

These allegations come on the heels of an ESPN report Sunday morning that Incognito pressured Martin into paying $15,000 for an unofficial team vacation to Las Vegas — a trip that Martin, an offensive tackle, didn’t even join.

One young defensive player, whose privacy the Miami Herald is protecting, is on his way to going broke because he has been unable to say no to the older players, a source said.

“Everything tastes better when rookies pay for it,” veteran defensive end Jared Odrick wrote on Twitter over the weekend. “Yes, the bill would make you sick.”

The source characterized Dolphins veterans using younger players as ATMs to finance their nightlife whims. These older players have been caught up in the fast-paced Miami lifestyle without the burden of having to pay for it, the source continued.

[datasuspect]

8. oh, the poor dears!

[JVS]

11. Nobody should be pressured to buy anything for Dolphin veterans. Their shitty record...

should obligate them to pay for the rookies' drinks if anything.

[Are_grits_groceries]

13. So you think intimidation and bullying are ok?

The money is not the central issue.
Racial taunts and threatening messages are. I don't care how much money you may have, that isn't acceptable.
In addition, many of these players have worked practically all their lives to use this money to help their families. There are few avenues open to them to get a decent job much less a high-paying one. I am talking about players from many areas.

[datasuspect]

17. i don't feel sorry for NFL players

with multi million dollar contracts whining about paying for veteran football players' drinks or meals.

it's an NFL tradition.

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. What a pathetic life you must lead

Money fixes everything, huh? Anyone should stand any abuse if they get paid?

Sounds pretty Republican to me, actually.

[datasuspect]

26. yes,

i'm pathetic because i can't cry crocodile tears about NFL millionaires.

sounds pretty assholish to me, actually.

[Dreamer Tatum]

27. When it comes out that the extortion and abuse was also race-based

let's see if you have the balls to repeat your argument.

Taking the side of a racist extorting bully...wow, how awesome you are.

[philosslayer]

136. Jared Odrick

The individual mentioned in the article as "enjoying the meals paid for by rookies" is African-American. The extortion was/is a multi-racial affair.

[ProfessorGAC]

60. Do You Have Access To The Financial Status of Martin?

He's been in the league 10 minutes. He's a rookie. Interior linemen don't make MILLIONS (plural) of dollars coming right out of college. Most of them never do. These aren't quarterbacks.

So, your entire premise for being dismissive seems in error.

[ScreamingMeemie]

66. Jonathan Martin makes $607K. Incognito makes $4 Million

http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nfl/miami-dolphins-roster

[ScreamingMeemie]

67. Jonathan Martin is not a millionaire.

And bullying is never okay because someone makes good money.

http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nfl/miami-dolphins-roster

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Bullying is an American tradition

This is work place bullying. It should be just as intolerable in the locker room, (regardless of how many millions they make) as in McDonalds, the other side of the spectrum.

I guess some folks do net get it until bullycide (yes, it's a real world) happens.

Right now one of my local PDs and school systems is playing a great game of cya after a kid jumped off the bridge.

But it is boys will be boys, it will make you stronger BS. I hope the Dolphins file charges if (it probably has) rise to the criminal level.

[datasuspect]

33. boo fucking hoo

tell it to the Marines.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Where it is now a no-no, as of 2010 it was still ok

As well as the Navy, the Army and the Air Force. You know why? Not because we are that forward looking, no siree, it's illegal in NATO forces.

I see you have no problem with bullies. I recommend you do some reading on the subject. Doing research into it, not because of the DU bully some have now graduated to cyberstalking problem. It is central in a novel I am working on.

You know what is scary? Having the characteristics of a bully open on one window, and bullies following behaviors that let you check off boxes, now that is scary.

[datasuspect]

37. get tough

life isn't romper room and it isn't fair.

sorry, we all don't get a trophy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. And hang yourself, drink some bleach already and die,

Or a few other lovely real phrases used by bullies. I am sorry if this bothers you, but it is now a developing area of law, that makes it a civil matter, if not down right criminal.

Grow up from a five year old attitude and develop some empathy.

For the moment I think we are very much done, and it makes me wonder about you. A lot mind you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. So now you are making it about me?

I see.

It's not about me. It's about bullies, in adults you are dealing with children in adult bodies, who go after popular people who have success and attack them due to the bullies own insecurity. (Just like childhood).

The take no shit is proven not to work. You are talking about psychopaths, with zero empathy towards victims. They are serial, and the damage is proven as psychological injury. No what makes me wonder about you is you willingness to tolerate it. Mind you, this is very much a culturally accepted way that Americans look at bullying.

Culture based studies show that the US is very much accepting of the behavior and blaming the victim, and we are nowhere close in acceptance to Asian cultures.

I prefer to break that cultural "norm". Sure, short term is great for productivity (it happens a lot in work places) but long term there is an economic cost.

Oh and there is more, kids who are bullies, just shy of half grow up to commit crimes, most petty theft (they can get away with it far easier) and embezzlement, a few graduate to murder. You ok with that? Because that is the real cost of the boys will be boys, take no shit attitude, it will make you stronger BS.

Why do you think forward looking PDs and school districts, still a marked minority, want to break the cycle? It is easier and cheaper to treat an 8 year old than incarcerate a 21 year old.

[datasuspect]

48. you need to go outside more

trust me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. I am, and I think you need to stop making it about me,

and comprehend, or at least try, what I wrote. Some of those stats come from the clueless idiots at the Department of Justice. Some of the data I relayed came straight from my local DA and Sheriffs a Department. I think it is you who needs to get out more.

Realize bullying is no longer as accepted as a cultural norm as even 20 years ago. So try to understand why.

And I guess you are ok with petty criminals, serial psychopaths and a few murders. Trust me, the Dolphins are not dealing with it because they are a forwards looking organization. NFL teams are not, sports in general are not. They are now being forced to deal with it.

How about you, since you insist in making this about me?

[datasuspect]

57. personally

es ist mir wurst.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Whatever dude, have a wonderful day.

[daleanime]

59. Big difference between not taking it....

and giving it.

[tkmorris]

65. What the FUCK is this shit?

Have you lost your goddamned mind? Defending bullying, openly taunting other DUer's, generally being a... let's just go with "rude person".

What the hell is going on around here lately?

[datasuspect]

68. you think this is bad?

wait until you get sent to 'nam - this is nothing.

-"Coach," 1967

[tammywammy]

74. +1

[Comrade Grumpy]

80. It's too early in the day to deal with drunken boors.

[cpwm17]

44. What's wrong with you?

ignore

[NuclearDem]

79. Wow, this subthread is so full of suck I don't even know where to begin.

What the flying fuck is wrong with you?



Alright, so you don't feel any sympathy for NFL players. What do you think this kind of behavior does to people who see NFL players as role models or kids going into football themselves? It shows them that racially-charged threats and bullying is acceptable and just a part of football life.

[datasuspect]

84. people who see NFL players as role models

are part of the problem.

[NuclearDem]

85. No, the problem is the tolerance and acceptance of bullying in the workplace.

Which makes YOU part of the problem.

[NuclearDem]

90. I'm ex-military and have worked construction and warehouse jobs since getting out.

You don't get to imply I'm a wimp for being opposed to that kind of crap.

It's the same stupid gender role crap that dictates men must be tough, aggressive, and competitive. There's a reason we fought against that shit in military environments--it causes problems in the workplace and degrades the unit as a whole.

[ScreamingMeemie]

96. Thank you, and your response proves

you are a much tougher person than the one using pat responses to justify bullying in the workplace.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. I now truly feel sorry for you

I worked in that same environment, with a bunch of 18 year olds, and it was verbotten due to the damage to the organization. It had something to do with UNIT COHESION.

I am sorry you work in an environment where work place bullying is acceptable. Though it explains your attitude.

[tkmorris]

102. "you'd probably end up in a fetal position sucking your thumb if you made it two hours in my world."

I'M A BADASS!! I'M A BADASS!

This is just getting completely comical now. You are a caricature. I can't believe I even attempted to take you seriously.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Because they become bullies, since this behavior is tolerated within the NFL, or

because they want to play football? Enquiring minds want to know.

If you mean the they admire bullies and that perpetuates the problem we are in agreement. Given the exchange above I frankly doubt that is what you mean.

[Arkana]

118. So? Doesn't make Richie Incognito less of a shitheel.

[Arkana]

117. Bullying is unacceptable anywhere.

And I gotta say, that tough-guy "OORAH" bullshit is really off-putting. I don't care if your DI gets in your face and tells you you're a lazy SOB or whatever--when he starts throwing around racial slurs, he crosses a line.

[Blue_Tires]

51. Believe it or not, everyone in the NFL doesn't have $50 million contracts...

The league doesn't survive on superstars, it survives on a heavy supply of expendable, disposable bodies who spend their 3-4 season 'career' jumping on and off the waiver wire...

[datasuspect]

54. poor little rich boys

sniffle.

[tammywammy]

77. Are you sure you're on the right board?

Your lack of empathy is as revealing as it is revolting.

[stevenleser]

129. There are a very few folks I've met like that and it's some real cognitive dissonance

These are folks who are left in terms of their position on the issues but seem to completely lack the empathy that I ordinarily would have thought drives one to be left in the first place.

There aren't many but there are a few.

I don't want anyone to be bullied or discriminated against. This young part African American NFL player making what seems to be the league minimum has done nothing to deserve it but, for some folks, empathy is easy to turn off or never existed in the first place.

[bluestate10]

125. That isn't what the poster implied. The poster seems to agree that the veteran

players that were shaking down young players are low life assholes.

[Iggo]

130. Depends on the victim, I guess.

[frylock]

82. so you support abuse in the workplace?

or is it that you support abuse in the workplace for professions you dislike?

[datasuspect]

83. you wouldn't want to work for me

or god forbid, MY boss.

you'd probably need a therapy teddy bear after 4 hours.

[tammywammy]

88. Abuse in the workplace = hostile workplace environment.

Which you can be sued over. Also abusive workplaces lead to lower productivity and higher turnover. You actually lose money by being an ass.

[maddezmom]

91. This has to be performance art of some sort by datasuspect

Or at least I hope it is?

[datasuspect]

94. it is

d'oh!

i just can't take the Internets seriously anymore.

i sorry

[tammywammy]

98. I hope so. n/t

[Dreamer Tatum]

119. No, this is hatred against "the rich" without any context whatsoever

and digging the hole deeper instead of shutting the F up.

[frylock]

89. some people just don't know when to quit..

they get called out for their asshole behavior, and rather than just back away, they double down on the bullshit. by all means, do continue. let everyone know exactly what kind of "person" you are. keep em coming, sport.

[tenderfoot]

99. I think CEO's should use their employees like ATM's

Oh wait.

[msanthrope]

30. It's a nice way to hide stripper payments from the wife and her attorneys. No more, though. nt

[giftedgirl77]

7. Incognito is a known douchebag throughout

his team, I hope they nail his ass & send him packing.

[cpwm17]

46. Yes, his career needs to be over

[delta17]

81. Throughout the NFL.

This isn't his first incident.

[giftedgirl77]

108. I know, he is a dirty player. These allegations

shouldn't be shocking to anyone. I mean other than the fact that he is a grown man & should act like one.

[edhopper]

9. I have been a Dolphin fan

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for 5 decades, but this is disgusting, I don't know how widespread this culture is in the NFL, but right now I would rather see the Fins fix this and change the attitude in the locker room (including making the vets payback the younger players) than have a winning season.

[kydo]

25. It's not just the fins its a big issue across the league

It's part of the hazing that occurs in the NFL. It's not new, Martin is just the latest victim. I have read other instances of exactly this type of behavior way before Martin.

And sadly racism does exist in the NFL locker room despite how ever high the percent of African Americans play now then they did before the 1960's.

Richie Incognito has had lots of trouble with unsportsmanlike conduct in his past. The only reason it is tolerated is because he is good. And it should not be that way.

2009 St. Louis Rams season

On April 17, 2009, the Rams offered Incognito a one-year tender worth $1.01 million, which he signed on May 3. Incognito started all nine games in which he played for the Rams in 2009. He was waived on December 15, two days after committing two 15-yard personal foul penalties and engaging in a verbal confrontation with Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo during a 47-7 loss to the Tennessee Titans. The two personal fouls led to a fine from the NFL and a letter from the NFL league office. He was fined $50,000 and told “Future infractions of the types you have committed may lead to increased disciplinary action up to and including suspension.” In four years with the Rams from 2006 to 2009, Incognito drew 38 penalties, including seven unnecessary roughness calls, more than any other player during that span.

NFL's "Dirtiest" Player

Incognito has garnered attention over the years for perceived dirty play amongst NFL players, coaches, and fans. He has been alleged to have gouged player's eyes, punched players, and made illegal tackles on a regular basis.

Unlike Rand Paul let me credit Wikipedia

[riverbendviewgal]

10. very interesting article a few hours old.

Miami Dolphins suspend Richie Incognito, ask NFL to review bullying allegations by Jonathan Martin

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/football/miami-dolphins-management-says-reports-of-bullying/nbgmT/

[gopiscrap]

14. once again, people who make too much money and are put up

on a pedestal think they can do just about anything

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. The league is seventy percent African American

If he was looking for accomplices he was looking in a very small pool...

[BlueJazz]

19. You know the one part of such actions that truly BLOW my mind ??

With all the news recently about Guns and also the gun culture in America, wouldn't it dawn on some of
these dumb-fuck-bullying-sons-a-bitches that maybe, just maybe if I KEEP on will my razzing and fucking with people that
one day, somebody is going to BLOW MY FUCKING HEAD OFF !!

You can laugh...but mark my words...it WILL happen.

[jsr]

24. No kidding.

Disgruntled employees and bullying victims can ruin your day.

[Dreamer Tatum]

28. and datasuspect will cluck that since they make millions, they should welcome the hail of bullets. n

[HooptieWagon]

31. I heard a story on a sports radio station last night....

The reporter was referring to comments by a Dolphins beat reporter who couldn't report the stories he seen and heard, but the whole story goes much deeper and is much worse than whats been reported so far. Dolphins coaches and staff have been knowledgable of the situation and let it continue, and are now trying to cover it up. This apparently goes much further than the usual rookie hazing.

[AngryAmish]

41. THere is hazing and then there is this

Making rookies carry pads, buy donuts, sing, pay for dinners...I am ok with that.

Making it all prevalent plus the racial angle...that is really troubling.

I suspect this might get as big as the Patriots cheating their way to their Super Bowl wins and Bountygate.

[HooptieWagon]

50. I agree.

Carrying pads, singing, etc. is pretty benign, and actually is conducive to building team unity. What is going on at Dolphins is apparently far more sinister...veterans demanding money from rookies to fund their socializing. Threats, racist taunts. Not low-key rookie hazing but outright bullying.

[dembotoz]

36. sounds like the inmates run the asylum

really sad
the dolphins are sort of a team i am fond of.
i like and respect their coach from the packer group

mistreatment of rookies is nothing new--reread paper lion by george plimpton

looks like it got out of hand.

[pipi_k]

39. A bit of irony here...

I read in a sports article earlier this AM that Incognito used some pretty aggressive/threatening language on Twitter supposedly defending himself from allegations that he bullied a team mate.

uh...yeah. Real smart move.

[Packerowner740]

43. Many are saying he's a grown man and just deal with it

Many of these grown men are just out of college, barely adults themselves. If it were a grown woman being subjected to the abuse and racial abuse it would be a different tune.

No bullying or racial taunts are ok, ever. This sort of actions are what makes people go postal.

[ScreamingMeemie]

69. This is the thing right here. Martin did the right thing by leaving...

instead of letting it escalate to a point where he did go postal and then having the nation jeer him. He should be lauded for that.

[pipi_k]

93. I agree...by leaving...

he just may have saved a whole lot of lives, including that of his alleged (alleged until convicted) bully.

Martin could just as easily have kept quiet, letting things build up to the point where he snapped and grabbed a gun, and...well...not pretty...

At least he still has his own life and freedom and won't be rotting away in prison.

[Myrina]

47. ... the ESPN ticker all weekend said that there was 'no bullying' and the Dolphins org ....

..... denied the NFLPA was investigating anything ...


Hmmmm ....

[HooptieWagon]

52. The current story sure sounds like bullying.

And it sounds like Dolphins are trying to impede a NFLPA investigation. Dolphins coach contacted Martin's parents to try and get them to issue a joint statement absolving Dolphins Organization. They refused, and apparently have filed (or are preparing to file) a $90 million lawsuit against Dolphins coach and the team. This is gonna get ugly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. I do hope it gets ugly

Organizations need to be brought face to face with it kicking and screaming. And the case law of work place bullying is still relatively young. So I hope it is precedent setting too.

[Myrina]

104. Based on what I read, it sounds like more than bullying ...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/04/reports-incognito-left-racial-slur-death-threat-on-martins-voicemail/related/


"... April of 2013, Incognito left a voicemail for Martin saying, “Hey, wassup, you half n—– piece of [expletive] . . . I saw you on Twitter, you been training ten weeks. [I want to] [expletive] in your [expletive] mouth. [I'm going to] slap your [expletive] mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face (laughter). [Expletive] you, you’re still a rookie. I’ll kill you.”

Jason La Canfora of CBS reports that Incognito also used the “half-n—–” epithet in a text message to Martin, and that Incognito sent Martin texts in which he made reference to tracking down members of Martin’s family and harming them... "


Jesus, what a crazy motherflucker.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. Yup, and it fits this in the adult bully spectrum

Verbal Adult Bully: Words can be quite damaging. Adult bullies who use this type of tactic may start rumors about the victim, or use sarcastic or demeaning language to dominate or humiliate another person. This subtle type of bullying also has the advantage – to the bully - of being difficult to document. However, the emotional and psychological impacts of verbal bullying can be felt quite keenly and can result in reduced job performance and even depression.

http://www.debilevine.com/?p=1168

It also crosses the line into verbal assault, possibly. If the Dolphins owners have two cells to rub together, they will deal with this. They really do not want to be in court.

If you ever face one of these wonderful individuals. DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT.

Oh and Incognito is also a physical bully.

Physical Bully: While adult bullying rarely turns to physical confrontation, there are, nonetheless, bullies that use physicality. In some cases, the adult bully may not actually physically harm the victim, but may use the threat of harm, or physical domination through looming. Additionally, a physical bully may damage or steal a victim’s property, rather than physically confronting the victim.

What Martin did is also now recommended, as a last resort, leaving that toxic environment.

[Capt. Obvious]

53. NO ONE ACCUSES RICHIE INCOGNITO SR'S SON OF BULLYING

Oh, this is too much

[jsr]

63. .

[ScreamingMeemie]

70. If this is him, this is the dad who sits in a principal's office and says:

"Not MY son..." "The other kid was probably asking for it."

This is disturbing all the way around.

[jsr]

71. Please be civilised. Thanks!

[davidn3600]

64. Incognito is an asshole

This guy has been a troublemaker for years.

[Brickbat]

95. Report: Richie Incognito called Martin a "half-nigger," made threats against his family.

http://deadspin.com/report-richie-incognito-called-jonathan-martin-a-half-1458148723?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

More light has been shed on the nature of Miami Dolphins lineman Richie Incognito's harassment of his teammate, Jonathan Martin, and it's just as ugly as you expected.

According to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora, Incognito sent Martin a number of threatening text messages and voice mails, one of which referred to Martin as a "half-nigger." It doesn't end there:

There are several instances of threats as well, the sources said, and overall disturbing exchanges, including one in which Incognito refers to defecating in Martin's mouth.

Incognito also made reference to tracking down members of Martin's family and harming them in the texts as well, according to a source.

According to La Canfora, both the Dolphins and the NFL have seen these threatening text messages.

[maddezmom]

100. Disgusting

Hope he never plays again.

[Dreamer Tatum]

101. He's officially done. He'll issue an apology

but that won't save him.

He's played his last down in the NFL, and good riddance.

[cpwm17]

103. Say goodby to Incognito's career – I hope

He should also be criminally charged if this is all true.

[TeamPooka]

126. the contracual implications could be very severe if this is seen as a violation of the

"actions detrimental to the team" clause.
Say goodbye to all your future earnings Incognito.
The Dolphins will not have to pay him anything else and he may wind up owing them money too.

[Are_grits_groceries]

128. He is an unrestricted free agent after this year.

He can say goodby to a great new contract and he should have to say goodby to his to his NFL career.

[Blue_Tires]

114. Dolphins management (deservedly) should have their faces rubbed in shit for this...

Either the organization was oblivious, indifferent, or too incompetent to handle this internally...None of the three possibilities reflect well on them...

[Dreamer Tatum]

120. The Dolphins are desperately mitigating loss.

They are looking at some serious lawsuits here. The suspension? Asking the NFL to intervene? That's just
an effort to remove a couple zeroes from the check.

[uponit7771]

127. W T F!!!!! Does that guy live on another planet!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Arkana]

105. Incognito's always been a piece of shit.

Come to New England, Jonathan Martin--we could use a tackle, and Billy Fiveaces will treat you right.

[Capt. Obvious]

107. UPDATE:

http://deadspin.com/report-richie-incognito-called-jonathan-martin-a-half-1458148723

[libodem]

112. Not so much of a line-man

As a Zimmer-man.

[arcane1]

109. Where did this hostility come from in the first place?

I don't follow football but I find this story fascinating. Why did this asshole go after Martin like this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. It is not a mystery, here you go

http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/adult-bullying.html

That site is pretty informative

http://www.pbs.org/thisemotionallife/topic/bullying/adult-bullying

PBS has also done some good work

And a little more

http://www.debilevine.com/?p=1168

Doing research into it due to fiction, where it is central to the story. (And will also lead to an article)

[Are_grits_groceries]

113. He has been an asshole since he joined sports' leagues.

His father is a major asshole so he didn't fall far from the tree.

He was SUSPENDED ONE YEAR at Nebraska for his behavior. He was an All-American player his freshman year. Suspending him one year was a major statement about him. Even Lawrence Phillips wasn't suspended for a year and he was a piece of work.

[Brickbat]

115. His dad sounds like a bully. Add steroids and a few hits to the head, and you're good to go.

[Blue_Tires]

116. Incognito's father set up a troll account to defend his son:

http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230




Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS." He blasts the team from top to bottom, claims Incognito is getting railroaded, and uses the "black people say the N-word in rap music" argument to dismiss claims that Incognito sent racial messages to Martin. He also implies that Martin has pondered suicide, and "does not belong in an NFL locker room."


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EDIT: And there are rumors that other Incognito relatives are in on it, too? Jesus...

[maddezmom]

121. Sounds like the apple didn't fall to far from the tree

Truly repulsive assholes.