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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 07:38 PM Nov 2013

Rand Paul caught scrubbing transcripts from website after plagiarism charges

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has been accused of plagiarising Wikipedia and other sources and the evidence has started disappearing from his official Senate website.

MSNBC Rachel Maddow recently noticed that Paul had taken the exact language from several Wikipedia pages and used it in several of his speeches without proper attribution. And over the weekend, BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski found that Paul had copied 1,318 words from a 2003 case study by the Heritage Foundation without making it clear that he had not authored the material.

On Monday, Kaczynski pointed out that some of those speech transcripts had been scrubbed from Paul’s Senate web page.

In the case of a Feb. 6 speech to the Heritage Foundation, Paul’s current page only contains a video, but Google cache shows that the page recently also had the entire transcript.

BuzzFeed found at least three other pages which had transcripts deleted.

Speaking to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, Paul admitted that he had made mistakes in citing sources but lashed out at his critics, who he called “hacks and haters.”

“I will admit, sometimes we haven’t footnoted things properly,” the Kentucky Republican said. “I’ve written scientific papers. I know how to footnote things. But we’ve never footnoted speeches. And if that’s the standard I’m going to be held to, yes, we will change and we will footnote things.”

“But the difference is, I take it as an insult and I will not lie down and say people can call me dishonest, misleading or misrepresenting,” he added. “And like I say, if, you know, if dueling were legal in Kentucky, if they keep it up, you know, it would be a duel challenge. But I can’t do that, because I can’t hold office in Kentucky then.”

“I think I’m being unfairly targeted by a bunch of hacks and haters. And I’m just not going to put up with people casting aspersions on my character.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/04/rand-paul-caught-scrubbing-transcripts-from-website-after-plagiarism-charges/

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Rand Paul caught scrubbing transcripts from website after plagiarism charges (Original Post) Playinghardball Nov 2013 OP
Sneaky little blob of santorum. Scuba Nov 2013 #1
dumbass nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #2
Boofugginghoo malaise Nov 2013 #3
There is no escape from Google cache! Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #4
Who's casting asparagus? It's a waste of food.... louis-t Nov 2013 #5
Personally Old Codger Nov 2013 #6
he is such a dirty vile piece of shit! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #7
You beat me to it. And he wrote 'scientific papers?' Sure he did! freshwest Nov 2013 #10
if he did then I wrote the Declaration of Independence! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #11
Oh, I now have a face to go with your screen name! You handsome guy! freshwest Nov 2013 #23
why, thank you! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #24
He studied to be a doctor. And when he couldn't pass accreditation, he formed his own "board" Thor_MN Nov 2013 #34
Yes he did. As an extreme theocrat, his 'scientific' knowledge is a bit wobbly: freshwest Nov 2013 #37
SWEET !!! Thanks for sharing. nt Unrepentant Fenian Nov 2013 #8
K&R n/t Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #9
HA-ha!! What a loser. arcane1 Nov 2013 #12
Wouldn't all that still be in the wayback machine? shraby Nov 2013 #13
Wayback Machine = From Wikipedia Coyotl Nov 2013 #17
Rand Paul has never heard of data backup. nt bluestate10 Nov 2013 #14
Compare with caches makes it easy to find the plagiarism he knows about! Coyotl Nov 2013 #15
Sorry Senator Milli Vanilli ... it's a little too late for that Snake Plissken Nov 2013 #16
Paul is such tool. blackspade Nov 2013 #18
He has character? Yeah, right. MarianJack Nov 2013 #19
ATTN Rand Paul ... you do not footnote speeches Botany Nov 2013 #20
Patrick Stewart called.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #21
... but he had to remove the transcripts, right? surrealAmerican Nov 2013 #22
Imagine the shitstorm if Obama did this Dopers_Greed Nov 2013 #25
somehow that reminds me barbtries Nov 2013 #26
He's written "scientific papers" ? Myrina Nov 2013 #27
Scientific papers salimbag Nov 2013 #28
He's evidently not smart enough to write his LibGranny Nov 2013 #29
的 think I知 being unfairly targeted by a bunch of hacks and haters. And I知 just not going to... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #30
He might want to stop digging.... arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #31
It was Aqua Buddha what made him do it. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #32
Did he EVER have hair? Thor_MN Nov 2013 #35
Probably not. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #36
It's a shame that dueling is illegal. But I'm pretty sure Rand Paul is happy that it is. ... JEFF9K Nov 2013 #33
Caught red-handed just like a used car dealer turning back odometers. lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #38

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. Oh, I now have a face to go with your screen name! You handsome guy!
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:27 PM
Nov 2013

Last edited Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:18 AM - Edit history (1)



Loved that Bible you wrote, too.

The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth


...Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative.


http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

...In 1895, the National Museum published Thomas Jefferson's Bible based on an edition provided by his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph. Beginning in 1904 and lasting through the 1950's, every new member of Congress received a personal copy of the Jefferson Bible. The influence of Thomas Jefferson and the Bible version he drafted exists on both sides of the political spectrum today. Libertarians might draw on the independence of Jefferson's views from the oppressive theocratic monarchies of the time, while liberals can also observe the secularism apparent in his work...

http://aboutthomasjefferson.com/jefferson-bible/211/

Jefferson said on slavery, and it is reportedly written at the Jefferson Memorial:

God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?

Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Commerce between master and slave is despotism.

Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free.


 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
34. He studied to be a doctor. And when he couldn't pass accreditation, he formed his own "board"
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:39 PM
Nov 2013

So yes, he did write scientific papers. But he wasn't good enough to become board certified, so what's a total asshole to do? Just make up your own board out of thin air.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. Yes he did. As an extreme theocrat, his 'scientific' knowledge is a bit wobbly:
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:17 AM
Nov 2013


http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Eye-Opening_Highlights_From_a_Creationist_Science_Textbook

The Idiocracy won't build itself, you know. But with the help of Rand and his ilk writing 'scientific papers' for the youth of America, we're galloping on the road to it now.

Carl Sagan wrote The Demon Haunted World in 1996 as “a personal statement, reflecting my love affair with science. But there’s a second reason:

Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...”


It has come to pass, even worse than he wrote:

The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan - a review

Carl Sagan may have believed in extraterrestrials, but he knew that belief is meaningless without testable evidence...

Oh, and the dumbing down of America was "most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second soundbites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance." And that was before Rupert Murdoch launched the Fox News channel...

Nor is he afraid of going back to the things that matter, arguing in the next essay that Thomas Jefferson "believed that the habit of scepticism is an essential prerequisite for responsible citizenship. He argued that the cost of education is trivial compared to the cost of ignorance, of leaving government to the wolves..."

Meanwhile, according to the most recent New York Review of Books, a Texas legislator is quoted offering this reasoned argument on the state's responsibility for education: "Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education, free medical care, free whatever? It comes from Moscow, from Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell."

Are we in such a very different world?


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jul/20/demon-haunted-world-carl-sagan-review

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
15. Compare with caches makes it easy to find the plagiarism he knows about!
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:42 PM
Nov 2013

It is also a form of admission to go in later and change them.

Botany

(70,500 posts)
20. ATTN Rand Paul ... you do not footnote speeches
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:13 PM
Nov 2013


If in the course of giving a speech one can attribute another person's work and
or words so as to give the person who did the work credit for said work but you
can't give footnotes ..... now if you have a transcript of that speech you can have
it with footnotes but then you must also attribute the author of the work when you
are giving the speech too.

Attribution is for when you are speaking and footnotes are for when you are writing.


“I will admit, sometimes we haven’t footnoted things properly,” the Kentucky Republican said.
“I’ve written scientific papers. I know how to footnote things. But we’ve never footnoted speeches.
And if that’s the standard I’m going to be held to, yes, we will change and we will footnote things.”

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
22. ... but he had to remove the transcripts, right?
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:25 PM
Nov 2013

... otherwise the actual author(s) could sue for copyright violations.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
25. Imagine the shitstorm if Obama did this
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:16 PM
Nov 2013

-Plagiarized others' material for speeches and op-eds
-Challenged people who caught this to a duel
-Scrubbed transcripts

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
26. somehow that reminds me
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

of condoleeza rice saying just don't impugn my integrity. What integrity!? What fucking character?!

salimbag

(173 posts)
28. Scientific papers
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Nov 2013

I just asked the copy and paste boy for a list of his "scientific papers" on Facebook. Curious if there will be any response.

LibGranny

(711 posts)
29. He's evidently not smart enough to write his
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:38 PM
Nov 2013

own speeches, books, etc. He probably began plagiarizing in college since it seems to come so easily to him!

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
30. 的 think I知 being unfairly targeted by a bunch of hacks and haters. And I知 just not going to...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:51 PM
Nov 2013

...put up with it."

Oh yeah!!??
What are you going to do about it?
A fistfight, more name calling, kick dirt on them during recess?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! Big Baby...

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
36. Probably not.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:14 AM
Nov 2013
- Maybe that's why he became interested in Buddhism. He was probably thinking of becoming a Shaolin monk, like Kwai Chang Caine since he was already bald. But he gave it up on it when he found out he'd have to be humble, so he bought a toupee instead.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
33. It's a shame that dueling is illegal. But I'm pretty sure Rand Paul is happy that it is. ...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:32 PM
Nov 2013

... In true conservative style, he can sound like a hawk while being a chicken.

lpbk2713

(42,754 posts)
38. Caught red-handed just like a used car dealer turning back odometers.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:27 AM
Nov 2013



... and then weaseling out of it. What a sanctimonious POS.

Only used car dealers are probably more honorable.


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