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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:25 PM Nov 2013

WIRED: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It

Net neutrality is a dead man walking. The execution date isn’t set, but it could be days, or months (at best). And since net neutrality is the principle forbidding huge telecommunications companies from treating users, websites, or apps differently — say, by letting some work better than others over their pipes — the dead man walking isn’t some abstract or far-removed principle just for wonks: It affects the internet as we all know it.

Once upon a time, companies like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, and others declared a war on the internet’s foundational principle: that its networks should be “neutral” and users don’t need anyone’s permission to invent, create, communicate, broadcast, or share online. The neutral and level playing field provided by permissionless innovation has empowered all of us with the freedom to express ourselves and innovate online without having to seek the permission of a remote telecom executive.

But today, that freedom won’t survive much longer if a federal court — the second most powerful court in the nation behind the Supreme Court, the DC Circuit — is set to strike down the nation’s net neutrality law, a rule adopted by the Federal Communications Commission in 2010. Some will claim the new solution “splits the baby” in a way that somehow doesn’t kill net neutrality and so we should be grateful. But make no mistake: Despite eight years of public and political activism by multitudes fighting for freedom on the internet, a court decision may soon take it away.

How did we get here?

more -> http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/so-the-internets-about-to-lose-its-net-neutrality/

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WIRED: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It (Original Post) IDemo Nov 2013 OP
What, again? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1
+1000. We need to revert to Public Airwaves. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #7
+1001 freshwest Nov 2013 #9
Does anybody doubt that someone will come along with a global response Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #2
I don't doubt it... Veilex Nov 2013 #41
The main reason for this war on net neutrality. obxhead Nov 2013 #43
that's fucked up gopiscrap Nov 2013 #3
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #4
As it is, searches turn up the same old, same old. I recall fondly Netscape, where academic WinkyDink Nov 2013 #5
You might like this.. Fumesucker Nov 2013 #21
I think i have to get the hang of it, but thank you! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #28
Have you used Google Scholar? sl8 Nov 2013 #45
They are systematically removing every avenue we have left woo me with science Nov 2013 #6
Do not despair...Ghandi brought down the British Empire with less... Moostache Nov 2013 #11
But India had Ghandi - truedelphi Nov 2013 #20
We have Hillary Fumesucker Nov 2013 #22
Are you friggin' kidding me? truedelphi Nov 2013 #33
yet it seems she's being shoved down our throats anyway. Phlem Nov 2013 #35
Al Gore. Didn't he invent it? KansDem Nov 2013 #26
Yep. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #12
Dan Carlin did an excellent show about this over the summer . CFLDem Nov 2013 #13
Six Excellent Points Bortman33 Nov 2013 #18
PLUS! this one....nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #23
k&r n/t RainDog Nov 2013 #8
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #10
K & freakin R! n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #14
"How did we get here?" Phlem Nov 2013 #15
Fuckin A! TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #16
We’re About to Lose..... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #17
you know I was thinking about this and got all glass is half full about it. Phlem Nov 2013 #19
Brainwashing put assholes in DC, that's how. nt valerief Nov 2013 #24
Sounds like a protection racket, but in a better suit. Dollface Nov 2013 #25
Gah! Kicked and recced but furious about it all! Thanks for the article nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #27
Net Nutrality, Keystone, TPP, TPIP, massive subsidies for the Health Insurance Industry... bvar22 Nov 2013 #29
https://projectmeshnet.org/ Iwasthere Nov 2013 #30
Thank you for the heads up...and K&R emsimon33 Nov 2013 #31
The Internet should be a public utility with free high-speed access for all citizens. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #32
Especially considering it came from government research KamaAina Nov 2013 #36
Now called DARPA, part of the US DOD. AAO Nov 2013 #42
I suppose it better serves sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #34
as long as the porno is fast no one will care dembotoz Nov 2013 #37
Recommend jsr Nov 2013 #38
kick woo me with science Nov 2013 #39
. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #40
10 to 1 says if it goes, they will not expect the response. But that's a total guess. nt silvershadow Nov 2013 #44
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. What, again?
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:30 PM
Nov 2013

We've already lost it.

We had more protections and privacy when using 28.8 modems than we do now.

Google was a godsend at first and then began collecting our search data.

ATT and SBCGLOBAL started siphoning off all data in 2006, IIRC, and now choke bandwidth.

We should end the privatization of the internet and create a universal wifi/broadcast network for those who want it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,658 posts)
2. Does anybody doubt that someone will come along with a global response
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:40 PM
Nov 2013

to fight off government censorship?

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
41. I don't doubt it...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:00 PM
Nov 2013

but if this passes, I also don't doubt it wont matter. They will control the message at that point, and they can literally turn off any support sites by simply removing all bandwidth to such a site... and you can damn well be sure the broadcast networks wont work against them, since that'll drive people back to the idiot box. The same probably holds true for radio. I'm seriously worried about this one.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
43. The main reason for this war on net neutrality.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 04:04 PM
Nov 2013

As soon as any dissent starts online they'll shut it down.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
5. As it is, searches turn up the same old, same old. I recall fondly Netscape, where academic
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:15 PM
Nov 2013

articles surfaced.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. They are systematically removing every avenue we have left
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:21 PM
Nov 2013

to fight back against the One Percent.

Investigative journalism and a free press have been gravely assaulted and are increasingly replaced with a ubiquitous, interactive propaganda machine.

Gathering places online are disrupted and infiltrated by corporate spew.

Mass surveillance and a police state ensure that any real organization for change or resistance can be ended before it even begins.

And now they are going after the internet itself....our access to information and ability to communicate with one another.

This is corporate fascism brought to America, advancing rapidly.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
11. Do not despair...Ghandi brought down the British Empire with less...
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:53 PM
Nov 2013

It won't be the ease of communication that brings them down, it will be the desire of the people, once people unite in common cause the 1% are doomed...

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
33. Are you friggin' kidding me?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 04:48 PM
Nov 2013

Her husband signed off on the Bank Modernization Act, for which it is suspected that he got the promise of One Hundred Thousand Dollars for each speech he gave in front of a Corproate Podium.

And even sadder than Bill Clinton signing off on that POS legislation, only one person in the Senate, Senator Dorgan of Nebraska, refused to vote for said POS legislation. Yes despite warnings from economists that this POS legislation would end Glass Steagall, and cause an collapse of the nation's economy (which indeed occurred less than a decade alter) the Corporate-controlled puppets in the US Senate voted for it.

Hillary Clinton will continue the Obama tradition of being for Monsanto, of being for the Big Banks, and the criminal elite like Greenspan was, like Bernanke and Geithner and Jack Lew are. And then there is the rather nasty reality that no one can say a Clinton is like Ghandi -- Ghandi was TOTAL NON Violence.

Sad thing about Hillary is that in her efforts to appear as strong and viable a candidate for the Presidency as any man, she is more for war than her husband was.




Phlem

(6,323 posts)
35. yet it seems she's being shoved down our throats anyway.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 06:24 PM
Nov 2013


a lot of folks here in DU are pimping for her.



To the tune of cops:

Bad choice, bad choice, what ya gonna do when it comes to you, bad choice bad choice.....



-p

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
12. Yep.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:56 PM
Nov 2013

I wonder if this will finally inspire people though, to start getting together in person? I think that's what we need to do to promote real progress, is to take action beyond the relatively anonymous internet discussions. I don't know if the solution is going to be laying down in front of trucks, boycotting these corporations, mass striking, or a simple sea of bodies in the capital shutting down business as usual... but we need to do something.

Every time something great comes along, the forces of ignorance, greed, selfishness and ultimate tyranny come along to claim it for their own. The internet is something I have greatly loved ever since I was a child, because it is truly "universal" in it's application. The more power the big boys and girls have over it, the more government control, the more regulation and policing... the less power the people of the world will have to truly communicate ideas, feelings, expressions.

This is one thing that makes me angry enough to fight back. If only I knew how.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
13. Dan Carlin did an excellent show about this over the summer .
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:56 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.dancarlin.com//disp.php/csarchive/Show-256---Subverting-Reform/N.S.A.-security-spying

I'm pretty sure this is the show where he hits on this very topic, although it may be another show around the same time.

He basically explains the powers that be are tying their own noose by cutting off all forms nonviolent dissent.
 

Bortman33

(102 posts)
18. Six Excellent Points
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:54 PM
Nov 2013

I would also add that those voting on the corporate and governmental control of the "tubes" don't have a clue on what they are voting for!

I'm sorry, they do have a clue and it's the pittance that is pumped into their campaign coffers that informs their bought and paid for votes.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
15. "How did we get here?"
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:10 PM
Nov 2013

I've been seeing this term in a lot of posts.

1. No one was paying attention

2. A few people with the ability extrapolate long term event situations (no this is not a trick, most of the population thinks short term gain and can't perceive long term effects) are called tinfoil hat wearing hair on fire Democrats and cease their warnings. Time passes and people ask "How did we get here?"

3. Most of the population is asleep.

4. All the lighthouse keepers got fed up with all the bullshit raining on them and left.

c. Naaaa, I must be smokin dope.



But I do like the "how did we get here?" part. Sometimes reflection reveals secrets in plain sight.



-p

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
17. We’re About to Lose.....
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:20 PM
Nov 2013

...(the perception) of Net Neutrality.

- Net Neutrality assumes the obeying of the law by the government.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
19. you know I was thinking about this and got all glass is half full about it.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:36 AM
Nov 2013

Could we see a new form of communication based on the loss of net neutrality that functions just as effectively? One can dream but a free internet did affect the last elections and lo and behold, they're taking that away from the populace. Someone's going to come up with something! That's what we're good at. I feel confident and at the same time starting to feel like we're living in a soon to become 3rd world nation.



-p

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
29. Net Nutrality, Keystone, TPP, TPIP, massive subsidies for the Health Insurance Industry...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 04:07 PM
Nov 2013

Wall Street Bailouts, "Sequesters" to cut Social Programs, Military Spending,....

Where does it end?



[font size=4]Hold on to your dreams, suckers,
cause we're TAKING everything else!
Hahahahahahaha![/font]


 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
36. Especially considering it came from government research
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 06:39 PM
Nov 2013

no, not Al Gore , but ARPA, the Advanced Research Projects Agency. At one time it was known as ARPAnet.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
42. Now called DARPA, part of the US DOD.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:23 PM
Nov 2013

DARPA’s mission is to maintain the technological superiority of the U.S. military and prevent technological surprise from harming our national security by sponsoring revolutionary, high-payoff research bridging the gap between fundamental discoveries and their military use.

Over the years, DARPA has worked to enhance our national security by funding research and technology development that not only have improved our military capabilities but have changed the way we live. Since the very beginning, DARPA has been the place for people with innovative ideas that lead to groundbreaking discoveries.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
34. I suppose it better serves
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 04:58 PM
Nov 2013

the interests of wealth to maintain the fiction of democracy and so rule the country from behind the curtain of law and government rather than simply looting it all at once.

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