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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:11 AM Nov 2013

This Transatlantic Trade Deal is a Full-Frontal Assault on Democracy

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/11/05-3


David Cameron with Barack Obama at a state dinner in Cameron's honour in 2012 at the White House. (Photograph: Mandel Ngan/AFP/Getty Images)

Remember that referendum about whether we should create a single market with the United States? You know, the one that asked whether corporations should have the power to strike down our laws? No, I don't either. Mind you, I spent 10 minutes looking for my watch the other day before I realised I was wearing it. Forgetting about the referendum is another sign of ageing. Because there must have been one, mustn't there? After all that agonising over whether or not we should stay in the European Union, the government wouldn't cede our sovereignty to some shadowy, undemocratic body without consulting us. Would it?

The purpose of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is to remove the regulatory differences between the US and European nations. I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. But I left out the most important issue: the remarkable ability it would grant big business to sue the living daylights out of governments which try to defend their citizens. It would allow a secretive panel of corporate lawyers to overrule the will of parliament and destroy our legal protections. Yet the defenders of our sovereignty say nothing.

The mechanism through which this is achieved is known as investor-state dispute settlement. It's already being used in many parts of the world to kill regulations protecting people and the living planet.

The Australian government, after massive debates in and out of parliament, decided that cigarettes should be sold in plain packets, marked only with shocking health warnings. The decision was validated by the Australian supreme court. But, using a trade agreement Australia struck with Hong Kong, the tobacco company Philip Morris has asked an offshore tribunal to award it a vast sum in compensation for the loss of what it calls its intellectual property.
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This Transatlantic Trade Deal is a Full-Frontal Assault on Democracy (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2013 OP
The Trans-Pacific Partnership: A Trade Agreement for Protectionists xchrom Nov 2013 #1
K&R. Nt newfie11 Nov 2013 #2
k&R octoberlib Nov 2013 #3
K&R abelenkpe Nov 2013 #4
The replacement of democratic govts. with corporate fascism. woo me with science Nov 2013 #5
+1 -- what the police did to OWS protestors was a lovely little preview. nt xchrom Nov 2013 #6
That appears to be exactly what it is.. whathehell Nov 2013 #9
+1. and K&R for the OP zeemike Nov 2013 #18
Quite Impressive... bluedeathray Nov 2013 #34
It's coming at us from both oceans. marmar Nov 2013 #7
indeed. nt xchrom Nov 2013 #8
It's GLOBAL ReRe Nov 2013 #10
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Nov 2013 #11
The Clintons are corporate ratfuckers. I'll never vote for Hillary. L0oniX Nov 2013 #20
With TPP, I can't either. We are going to leave the boomersense Nov 2013 #23
Big K&R! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #12
No on TTIP! No on TPP! No "investor-state dispute settlement" mechanisms. Chan790 Nov 2013 #13
It ends Democracy, and if you have money in a bank, you'd boomersense Nov 2013 #14
Not Anothet Free Trade Agreement. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #15
I read somewhere watoos Nov 2013 #16
No! G_j Nov 2013 #17
K&R.... daleanime Nov 2013 #19
They had to take over our government first. Now they are taking over all governments. L0oniX Nov 2013 #21
Sounds simple on paper One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #22
DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #24
Hitting on all fronts with these Trade Agreements. It's an assault! KoKo Nov 2013 #25
We desperately need a president who will fight corporations, not cater to them. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #26
Worth repeating: bvar22 Nov 2013 #27
You will never get a president like that. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #29
What you need is to get rid of capitalism - TBF Nov 2013 #30
... Enthusiast Nov 2013 #28
Corporate interests are gradually replacing government with agreements like this. pa28 Nov 2013 #31
So someone tell me, what does Pres Obama get out of this? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #32
This & TPP may finally be the tipping point that gets the people in the streets emsimon33 Nov 2013 #33

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
1. The Trans-Pacific Partnership: A Trade Agreement for Protectionists
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:15 AM
Nov 2013
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/the-trans-pacific-partnership-a-trade-agreement-for-protectionists

***SNIP

There are many other areas where we could envision freer trade bringing real gains to the bulk of the population. However this is not what the TPP is about. The TPP is about crafting rules that will favor big business at the expense of the rest of the population in both the United States and in other countries.

For example, we can expect to see limits on the ability of national and sub-national governments to impose environmental restrictions, such requirements that companies engaging in fracking disclose the list of chemicals they use. There may also be limits on the extent to which governments can restrict the sale of genetically modified foods, with rules on labeling. And, the TPP may prevent governments from imposing restraints on financial firms that would prevent the sort of abuses that we saw during the run-up of the housing bubble.

The world has benefited from the opening of trade over the last four decades. But this opening has been selective so that, at least in the United States, most of the gains have gone to those at the top. It is possible to design trade deals that benefit the population as a whole, but not when corporate interests are literally the negotiators at the table. Rather than being about advancing free trade, the TPP is the answer to the question: “how can we make the rich richer?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
5. The replacement of democratic govts. with corporate fascism.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:41 AM
Nov 2013

The process is relentless, deliberate, and bipartisan.

Had enough yet, America? Because they have been building an impressive police state for when you finally do.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
9. That appears to be exactly what it is..
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:59 AM
Nov 2013

but it's not just America it's being aimed at -- They've got another similar, if not identical

so-called "trade deal" for Europe.

bluedeathray

(511 posts)
34. Quite Impressive...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 05:29 AM
Nov 2013

Second amendment be damned. After the Fascists have killed most of the wolves, the sheep will fall into line.

The intelligence gathering, the secret treaties, the militarization of police, the constitutional abuses...

 

boomersense

(147 posts)
23. With TPP, I can't either. We are going to leave the
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 12:25 PM
Nov 2013

country if it passes. Hopefully, smaller countries will not feel the screws for a while and my wife and I will be dead by the time the stalags open.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
13. No on TTIP! No on TPP! No "investor-state dispute settlement" mechanisms.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
Nov 2013

The state has the authority to regulate corporations; the corporations have the right to honor those regulations or fuck off and sell their product elsewhere.

That's the appropriate dispute settlement mechanism between governments and corporations.

I'm in favor of killing Free Trade because I am a sane person. FTAs are insane.

 

boomersense

(147 posts)
14. It ends Democracy, and if you have money in a bank, you'd
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:44 AM
Nov 2013

better figure out a place to put it. TTP and the law, if passed, regarding derivatives being kept with bank deposits for purposes of recovery will enable the MIC to virtually strip you of every thing you own. This has long been the plan, and the plan is succeeding. There used to be a way of handling such things... But not now.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
21. They had to take over our government first. Now they are taking over all governments.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:47 AM
Nov 2013

This is what happens when people vote for rich people.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
22. Sounds simple on paper
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:58 AM
Nov 2013

Till you get into technical details like you can't design a fuse to meet both IEC127 (European requirement) and meet Underwriters Laboratories requirements for Listing (ANSI/UL248?). Or that the Flame Retardants required to meet US/Canadian Wiring Codes are not allowed under European Harmonized Limits for Low Smoke/Halogen Content in wire and cable. And of course our compliance enforcement mechanisms are different. And I find it difficult to imagine either allowing Wire Nuts in Europe or banning them in North America.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
27. Worth repeating:
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:55 PM
Nov 2013

[font size=3]"We desperately need a president who will fight corporations, not cater to them."[/font]


Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
29. You will never get a president like that.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:25 PM
Nov 2013

The game is already over. They control the entire media, except for a tiny smidgen of the internet. And they have full intentions of capturing that tiny bit.

If the Democrats would understand that we do not want another corporate president (Hillary) and allow an alternative, the media would attack the alternative unmercifully. Our candidate would not have a chance.

We desperately needed a president that would fight corporations in 2008.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
30. What you need is to get rid of capitalism -
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:11 PM
Nov 2013

when every incentive rewards those with money (and those willing to do whatever they have to do to get money) this is what you get. You could elect Ghandi president but without getting rid of capitalism you're playing the same game.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
28. ...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:19 PM
Nov 2013

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

pa28

(6,145 posts)
31. Corporate interests are gradually replacing government with agreements like this.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:23 PM
Nov 2013

"The US and the European commission, both of which have been captured by the corporations they are supposed to regulate, are pressing for investor-state dispute resolution to be included in the agreement."

Truly chilling.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
33. This & TPP may finally be the tipping point that gets the people in the streets
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:48 AM
Nov 2013

and unites Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals.

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