My take: the President told the truth to 97% of the country

[scheming daemons]

97% get to keep the coverage they have, or get better coverage cheaper.

3% got their substandard plans cancelled and will have to pay more.


To those 3% that the RW is exploiting, I say this:

You thought you were covered.... But for most of you, the minute you got a serious illness, your insurance company was going to drop you anyway. The insurance you had was a scam. The ACA is forcing you to pay more for care or pay the penalty. But for every one like you, there are 10 who now have access to insurance that they didn't have before. The ACA will help even you in the long run.

[meow2u3]

1. Excellent way to put it

The RW doesn't bother to tell those 3% that even though they're paying more for health insurance, they're finally getting what they paid for.

[uponit7771]

2. Unnnn, Obama didn't have to outline every explicit or implicit exception. If a person robs a bank

... and goes to jail of course they can't keep their HCI Plan

If the HCI plan sucks and the tax payer has to pick up the bill a person can't keep their HCI plan

The response to the M$M and wingers droning on about this is bad messaging from the White House...

Tell the M$M and wingers to fug off and use common sense

[BlueCaliDem]

4. I LIKE you!

This is exactly how I feel.

Corporate Media only cares about taking this president down any which way they can. The message we should be sending out when it concerns Corporate Media is: trust but verify.

At the moment, I've noticed that MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Big Ed Schultz, Chris Hayes, Al Sharpton, and especially Joy Reid of the Grio.com are continuously asking why "the media" are reporting only one side of the ACA issues, and why haven't they been holding Big Insurance responsible for not informing their customers that they can go to the exchange to get a better policy when they send out the cancellation letters.

[Mass]

5. They are right. I am watching Jansing and Co and it would hardly be worse if I was watching FOX

Ap reporter states that the cancellation letters will impact 2014.

Frankly, a good host would ask her whether getting insurance for the first time would also impact the election. Incredible.

[uponit7771]

6. Thx, I pray the HCI's get bent with single payer...not get a dime...fug em...they're horrible. They

... knew them cancelling their bunk ass'd policies around the ACA rollout would be headline news and the stupid ass'd M$M (along with the White House non response) is making this into more of a story than it's worth

[Lifelong Dem]

25. Watching a little CNN this morning

CNN shouldn't call themselves a news station. Wolfe was hammering Obama on insurance cancellations. All one sided.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Bookmarked!

I will be using those quotes in my coming discussions.

Thanks, Lifelong Dem!

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. What the President should have said but didn't is

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Because we live in a corporatist consumerist system, large health care organization who sold you substandard over inflated health swindle plans may cancel your coverage and con you into buying and even more expensive highway robbery health care plan so they can funnel that money to Tea-party candidates as a reward for doing absolutely fucking nothing for two years.

[uponit7771]

8. +, this is what he had to say... stupid M$M et al didn't read the law either

[cthulu2016]

7. However you want to rationalize it to yourself is your business

[uponit7771]

9. Telling the truth isn't rationalizing, people SHOULD use common sense... Obama didn't have to outlin

...every single exception to keeping an HCI plan in every speech.

The M$M and wingers should be able to read

[cthulu2016]

10. Whatever. I love the blame the victim thing. Very classy.

[uponit7771]

11. No I blame lazy thinkers... not "victims"... read the damn law, it's plane as day. Your plan sucks

... you can't keep it... Obama doesn't have to say that in every speech.

Next the "victims" will blame Obama for plans being canceled after premiums aren't payed

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[BlueCaliDem]

12. Bam!

[tblue37]

15. Mr. President, when you drop the mike,

you are supposed to do it with *attitude*--not look down to be sure nothing will cause a problem and then politely "lay" it on the floor.

He is too darned nice and self-effacing sometimes. I would like to see him show a little more ego, though I certainly understand why he thinks he can't risk that as the first Black president.

[cthulu2016]

14. Yes, Obama does have to say that in every speech becauise the alternative is called lying

When you want to include a lot of possible exceptions to a blanket statement while not lying the usual procedure is to use words like Probably... Mostly... Likely.

That would allow a statement to be a little thing we call "true"

[uponit7771]

16. Probably... Mostly... Likely are implied due to common sense alone. Teenager gets promised car ....

...for prom, teenager totals car before prom, parents have to tell teen that they can't drive car to prom!?!?!?!?!?

NO!!

That's common sense conclusion based off info in front of teen...

If your HCI Plan sucks, you can't keep it... that's not hard IMHO and it's written...


Also, the HCI's cancelled the plans... ACA didn't cancel anything.

The onus should be placed on the people who made sucky plans AFTER.. AFTER ACA was inacted...


Hmmmm, didn't think about that...


Yeap, another

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moment

[cthulu2016]

19. You seem to have very, very little intellectual honesty

What you just wrote contains several lies, and a wholly unwarranted personal attack.

I do not say I am surprised. I'm not.

Just noting the fact.

[uponit7771]

21. ... and then the winger like ad hominems come in... sigh, you guys stand out like sore thumbs when

... the facts are presented... can't retort based on the facts start attacking the poster.

Either way.

HCI's canceled the plans not Obama or the ACA... it's the HCI's fault for having sucky plans post ACA effect law

regards

[BlueCaliDem]

22. By George! That's *exactly* what Rightwingers are saying all across the nation!

Nice parroting there, cthulu. The question is, why would you want to parrot Rightwing talking points on a Democratic Party supporting site?

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. I don’t think cthulu2016 …

Is a “winger” … rather, just someone that fails to recognize piling onto a simplistic narrative that he/she (presumably) know works against the ACA is counter-productive, even the narrative at its absolute, but limited, root is true.

[bigwillq]

13. Good points

But Obama still misspoke. It was misleading.

[uponit7771]

17. Not when common sense and common logic are used. Also, I don't blame Obama for what the HCI's

... did after the ACA was put in place.

Blaming Obama for what the HCI's did is kinda

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IMHO

[bigwillq]

24. What steps were put in place to stop this from happening? (nt)

[uponit7771]

26. Good question, we should put the plan offerers in jail. That will stop them for availing a sucky ...

...plan.. selling it, then canceling it over and over and over again post ACA implementation.

Seems like a lot of money to waste though

[bigwillq]

28. not sure if there are or not but

there should have been protections (or more protections) to prevent this from happening now and in the future.

[Southerner]

18. Your math does not hold up.

I get health insurance through the company I work for. I pay a portion of the cost. The portion I pay has doubled over the last three years. I was told this was due to the increase in coverage required by the ACA and that the company was putting in more money as well. A lot of companies renegotiate their health plans every year to get a competitive price. My story must be true for people who work for companies all over the country.

So, your statement "97% get to keep the coverage they have, or get better coverage cheaper" can't possibly be true.

[BlueCaliDem]

23. And, of course, you believe what scheming ProfitCare corporations tell you

above and beyond all others?

You do know that the PPACA is not socialized medicine, right? Because to absolve your HCI co. of all blame, and to place that blame for rising premium costs on President Obama, you're, in effect, saying that you believe the PPACA is socialized medicine - the exact same thing Rightwingers across the country have been saying to their gullible sheep.

Liberals know better.

[Fumesucker]

29. That's why the poster put it the way they did

He/she may not believe what they were told but there are a lot of people who will believe just that, they have been primed to believe that and we largely see what we expect to see.

[liberal_at_heart]

32. +1.

[kentuck]

20. What we have here is a failure to communicate...

By the White House.

[AtomicKitten]

27. It's not a question of lying.

There was no way to know what the insurance companies last gasp would be before acquiescing to O-care. The letters were a sleazy maneuver to steer customers away from the exchange.

[dennis4868]

30. Why do you say...

that all 3% of those people will pay more?

[liberal_at_heart]

31. The ACA is not the best option for 100% of people. There will be people who will have to pay more

and who will have less coverage. We must keep fighting for single payer.

[EC]

33. He should have just qualified it

and left it at that. Should have said "if you like your employer based insurance, there will be no change." or "those of you with employer based or govenment insurance, there will be no change" But then I'm guessing that those who have those plans like Walmart gives their employees (where you pay $40. a month, but it only cover up to $1000. a year) are likely not good enough to be allowed.