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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 02:56 PM Nov 2013

Did the White House really say there is "no alternative" to the NSA's 'collect it all' approach?

I've seen a few threads about this and I'm curious if anyone could provide me with a specific quote from the White House. So far there is a common dreams article which links back to the NY Times, but there is no specific quote from any White House official.

This would be big news and I'm looking for all the information I can find about this.

Any link to an exact quote would be much appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

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Did the White House really say there is "no alternative" to the NSA's 'collect it all' approach? (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 OP
Yes. Its a story in yesterdays New York Times by David Sanger riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #1
There is no exact quote from a White House official in that article Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #2
I think there is... riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #4
That is not an exact quote Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #7
"It needs to be the whole haystack" is a direct quote. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #8
LOL Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #9
Whatever. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #10
No direct quote. OnyxCollie Nov 2013 #3
What do you think this means? riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #5
I know what it means, OnyxCollie Nov 2013 #6
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
1. Yes. Its a story in yesterdays New York Times by David Sanger
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:14 PM
Nov 2013

I'm on a new phone and havent figured out how to link yet but its easily googled.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
4. I think there is...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:23 PM
Nov 2013

" But General Alexander’s deputy, John C. Inglis, who has spent nearly three decades at the N.S.A. focused on the technology of intercepting and decoding foreign communications, told Congress last week that so far there was no satisfying alternative to a government library of calls and, seemingly by extension, text messages and many Internet searches.

“It needs to be the whole haystack,” Mr. Inglis said. If the United States was looking for the communications of a terrorism suspect, he said, “it needs to be such that when you make a query you come away confident that you have the whole answer.” "

That seems pretty direct.


(and yay! I figured out how to do this on my phone!)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
7. That is not an exact quote
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

You put quotes around it, but it's not an exact quote by any means. You just lifted an excerpt from the article, but it's not a direct quote of somebody.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
8. "It needs to be the whole haystack" is a direct quote.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:30 PM
Nov 2013

Those quotation marks around that quote are in the article. I didn't add them.



 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
3. No direct quote.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:22 PM
Nov 2013

As U.S. Weighs Spying Changes, Officials Say Data Sweeps Must Continue
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/world/as-us-weighs-spying-changes-officials-say-data-sweeps-must-continue.html?ref=davidesanger

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has told allies and lawmakers it is considering reining in a variety of National Security Agency practices overseas, including holding White House reviews of the world leaders the agency is monitoring, forging a new accord with Germany for a closer intelligence relationship and minimizing collection on some foreigners.

But for now, President Obama and his top advisers have concluded that there is no workable alternative to the bulk collection of huge quantities of “metadata,” including records of all telephone calls made inside the United States.

Instead, the administration has hinted it may hold that information for only three years instead of five while it seeks new technologies that would permit it to search the records of telephone and Internet companies, rather than collect the data in bulk in government computers. Gen. Keith B. Alexander, the director of the N.S.A., has told industry officials that developing the new technology would take at least three years.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
5. What do you think this means?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:23 PM
Nov 2013

" But General Alexander’s deputy, John C. Inglis, who has spent nearly three decades at the N.S.A. focused on the technology of intercepting and decoding foreign communications, told Congress last week that so far there was no satisfying alternative to a government library of calls and, seemingly by extension, text messages and many Internet searches.

“It needs to be the whole haystack,” Mr. Inglis said. If the United States was looking for the communications of a terrorism suspect, he said, “it needs to be such that when you make a query you come away confident that you have the whole answer.” "

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
6. I know what it means,
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

but the OP was looking for a direct quote.

I didn't find one, at least not in David Sanger's article from yesterday.

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