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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDespite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, Richie Incognito will probably be back in the NFL ...
and making more way money than Jonathan Martin. Is it right? Fuck no! But I don't live in the world of "what's right". I abide in the world of "what is.
Incognito has been a bad guy for years. Some NFL teams had him labeled DNDC (Do Not Draft Character) when he came out of Nebraska. But he has played in multiple Pro Bowls, and like it or not, the NFL will always opt for the guy who can ball as opposed to the 2nd year solid citizen.
Sucks, but that's the way it is, and anyone who bleats that "He'll never play again" doesn't know what they're talking about.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)and be welcomed somewhere with open arms. Because the bottom line is the players want to win, and as big an asshole as Incognito is, he can play.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The NFL operates to make money, they are now likely to be slapped with a multimillion dollar lawsuit because of him. If the NFL were able to wash their hands of him then they would hire him back but if he costs them money he is gone and right now he is costing them money.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Then they'll be able to white wash Incognito I presume. Clearly the NFL values their playing skills over values.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)I kind of doubt it.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)Pro football is no longer a safe venue for Incognito, and it's all his stupid, bigoted, bullying fault.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)He's fuckered...hopefully he blew all the money he has been making and will have to go out and do something for work
FSogol
(45,481 posts)It has already been removed from frats, companies, bands, etc. Pro sports is one of the last bastions of hazing acceptance and will now start changing.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He'll probably get an indefinite suspension from the NFL, just so they can cover their ass. And even if the suspension is eventually lifted, no team is going to take on that liability for an average player. I think his career is toast.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)all due up in the next week or two for RC.
the guy who is gonna get screwed is martin. No matter what, this will be deemed a weakness and he will no longer play football. Incognito, he'll be back and back soon.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I'm afraid Incognito will probably get picked up by another team.
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(23,926 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you were referring to and immediately thought of Vick but here's the different - Vick doesn't have to play on a team with dogs - Incognito will have to play on a team with black people - which team is going to hire him knowing he's an out of control violent bigot?
frylock
(34,825 posts)many teams passed on incognito out of college because of his "character." the cat is definitely out of the bag now, and a lot of teams simply do not want a cancer like this shitbag in their locker room.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Bandit
(21,475 posts)The NFL does not worry about finding people that can play ball. They do worry about bad publicity though..
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(23,926 posts)Michael Vick: Felony cruelty to animals
Leonard Little: Felony manslaughter
Ray Lewis: Obstruction of Justice
Christian peter: Sexual Assault
Pacman Jones: FUCK! Too many to count!
Jamal Lewis: Drug distribution
Tank Johnson: Aggravated assault
Donte Stallworth: Manslaughter
And I could go on. The point is that each of the above-named individuals was convicted of a crime, and then returned to play in the NFL. Richie Incognito hasn't been convicted of anything, but you believe that the NFL will suddenly get religion and cut loose a multi-time Pro Bowler because he's not a nice guy?
Riiiiight.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Although he was never convicted of anything, there is certainly room to question his character.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)between those guys and Incognito...
They weren't poison in the locker room.
He is.
His kind of attitude can spell the difference between a winning and losing season if a team isn't able to function as a TEAM because of locker room poison.
cali
(114,904 posts)He really doesn't like negative publicity like this.
Furthermore, Incognito hasn't even appealed his suspension.
He's now toxic. Not worth the bad PR.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)He was the commish in several of the instances which I noted (as well as many more). Each of those worthies returned to the league.
And Incognito has been suspended for a few hours now. An appeal, if one is forthcoming, takes time to draft.
I personally want the fucker gone, but I get the feeling that you don't know much about how the process plays out.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)The NFL investigation is being led Adolpho Birch, NFL senior V.P. of labor law and policy. He created the Code of Conduct policy.
Incognito may have broken workplace labor laws concerning harassment and other areas. His conduct could be viewed as extortion, stalking, and hate crimes. I doubt if he will skate on the workplace issues.
It is a workplace whether morons believe it or not. Their protests of 'that's the way football is' and 'he was a good guy' won't cut it. What he did is well beyond the normal hazing that occurs.
frylock
(34,825 posts)post 18, for example. none of those instances involved issues in the workplace.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Incognito, the Pro Bowl guard, is almost universally loved in the Dolphins lockerroom.
I say almost because I have a feeling tackle Jonathan Martin might not feel the same way.
The key is Martins teammates seem to feel that way.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-dolphins-players-voiced-more-support-for-g-richie-incognito-on-monday-than-ot-jonathan-martin-20131105,0,2963052.story
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)against it. Like I heard last night on MNF when they were discussing the issue, he's a good player but...
He's not a Hall of Fame caliber player.
Maybe he'll end up cleaning toilets in Burger King.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)He's been with four teams now. He was dumped by the first three for behavioral issues. Now this.
He's pretty much all the way done.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)I'll go with the NFL's century-long acceptance of racists, bigots, rapists, and other assorted criminals. We're talking a bet here, bro. Not what I want to happen. Not what I think should happen. Just what I think the smart money says will happen.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Richie Incognito's bully reputation goes back to 2002
Brent Schrotenboer, USA TODAY Sports 11:11 a.m. EST November 5, 2013
Richie Incognito once bullied a teammate so badly that the teammate suddenly got up from the ground and stomped out of football practice.
It was early 2002 long before Incognito was accused of similar behavior with the Miami Dolphins. Incognito was just a freshman at Nebraska, but that didn't stop him from picking fights or harassing teammates, in this case a non-scholarship offensive lineman named Jack Limbaugh. Incognito plowed into Limbaugh's back during practice, knocking him to the ground for no apparent reason.
Limbaugh responded by getting up, grabbing his equipment and walking out, according to the diary of teammate David Kolowski.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)With Incognitos history of being dumped after just a few seasons by more than one team, he may just be termed a locker-room hazard, like Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco), Terrell Owens, and Plaxico Burress
each had the talent to continue in their careers; but teams, shunned them as too disruptive.
Its a lot easier for teams to take a chance on/ignore the antics of players that do stupid stuff off of the field/outsider the locker-room (see: PacMan Jones).
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)And now his reputation is ruined - not only is he a racist scumfuck, he also made death-threats and rape-threats against not only Martin, but his family.
He's toast, and damned well should be.