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This you have got to hear. Self taught 9 yr old girl sings Puccinini. Staggering. (Original Post) snagglepuss Nov 2013 OP
Excellent ! Berlum Nov 2013 #1
I hate to be a wet blanket, but The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #2
Agreed. teenagebambam Nov 2013 #3
I'm glad someone else said it first brucefan Nov 2013 #4
Agreed. She needs to wait until she has a grown-up's lung capacity. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #6
Comes from a program which features pop music where the rules are different. longship Nov 2013 #8
As the one judge said,........ UNBELIEVABLE! rdharma Nov 2013 #5
She's had training, thank goodness Warpy Nov 2013 #7
I disagree. Although her voice is unusually mature-sounding, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #11
That last one was a little rough Warpy Nov 2013 #15
Nobody said she's Maria Callas - yet. It's a talent show, fer cryin' out loud! IrishAyes Nov 2013 #9
She shouldn't be silenced - she should sing music that she can handle. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #13
So, one's reach should never exceed one's grasp? IrishAyes Nov 2013 #17
The concern is that she will damage her voice by trying, without any training, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #19
And who's to say she won't? IrishAyes Nov 2013 #24
Amazing stage presence and blue eyes...hope she makes it. libdem4life Nov 2013 #10
Wow,... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #12
Not bagging on her at all. I just hate to see a little kid with potential The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #14
I didn't mean just you... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #20
That's OK - no offense taken. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #21
With the right visibility from a talent contest... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #22
And I hope that happens. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #23
Beautiful voice malaise Nov 2013 #16
I was a voice major first. She was incredible. It was not too much for her. DevonRex Nov 2013 #18
Sorry, I'll continue to be a wet blanket. teenagebambam Nov 2013 #25
Amazing! n/t Paper Roses Nov 2013 #26

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
2. I hate to be a wet blanket, but
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:02 PM
Nov 2013

that little girl is not ready for Puccini or any other opera arias. She has an unusually mature-sounding voice, but she does not have the breath support and control you need for opera, which is apparent because she can't make it through a phrase without having to catch her breath - because she is simply too young to have that capacity. She should find a good voice coach (if she keeps trying to teach herself she'll ruin her voice early) and develop a repertoire that is appropriate for her age. In 8-10 years, if her voice holds out, then she can start in on Puccini.

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
3. Agreed.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:13 PM
Nov 2013

As a professional opera singer and voice teacher, any teacher that will take her at age 9 isn't reputable, IMO. I really detest this craze for child singers, some of them are doing irreparable damage to their voices.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
6. Agreed. She needs to wait until she has a grown-up's lung capacity.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:30 PM
Nov 2013

I took voice lessons for two years myself.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. Comes from a program which features pop music where the rules are different.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:35 PM
Nov 2013

The bumper music was some rubbish pop.

Yes, she was impressive, but I agree with those saying that if she's serious, she won't allow anybody to turn into a singing china doll like Jackie Evancho. Cannot stand what's happening to her.

And, I agree, that's not opera. You don't learn it on YouTube.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
7. She's had training, thank goodness
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:32 PM
Nov 2013

There is no stress in her voice, anywhere. Because of this, she might have a future. This appearance will likely qualify her for even better training.

At that age, I could hit 'em but I couldn't hang onto 'em. No training for me.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
11. I disagree. Although her voice is unusually mature-sounding,
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
Nov 2013

there is evidence of strain when she goes for the high notes. That's because she has too little breath support, so she has to strain with her larynx instead of using her abdominal muscles, which is what a mature singer does. This kid is just too young to have that kind of strength - and you need strength and endurance and a lot of breath capacity to do opera. She can hit the notes but not cleanly because she has to take a breath before she goes there. She's cute, and has a nice voice for her age, but no ethical voice teacher would let a 9-year-old try to perform Puccini. My understanding is that she's self-taught - listens to Puccini on YouTube.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
15. That last one was a little rough
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:40 PM
Nov 2013

but the others are not. I think you're picking up on her nervousness. The look on her face as she finishes should have told you that much.

I doubt any ethical voice teacher pushed her onto that stage.

She's not ready for anything more than a short aria, I agree. That's what takes the years of training or the singer will be fit for the Croaking Chorus and that's about it.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
9. Nobody said she's Maria Callas - yet. It's a talent show, fer cryin' out loud!
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:35 PM
Nov 2013

And I don't believe it's necessarily harmful to youngsters to let them sing when the spirit moves them. I watched a young man at the same age with his own PBS special several years ago, and his voice has since matured beautifully. They shouldn't be overworked, of course; but NOT silenced!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
13. She shouldn't be silenced - she should sing music that she can handle.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:39 PM
Nov 2013

Puccini is over her head at this point. She has a nice voice for a little kid but shouldn't be treated like a dancing bear, doing things she really can't yet handle.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
17. So, one's reach should never exceed one's grasp?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:57 PM
Nov 2013

Unless the kid's trying to dethrone Callas right now, leave her alone and let her sing if she wants to sing. She certainly sings better than 99.9% of other people, including adults, a lot of whom are probably wrestling with their own feelings of comparative inadequacy. Sour grapes, anyone?

As for 'dancing bears', I seriously doubt she'd agree with you.

Micharel Junior's grandmother was a professional opera singer, btw, and trained him well. You should check out his PBS special or the soundtrack Dreamland.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
19. The concern is that she will damage her voice by trying, without any training,
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:04 PM
Nov 2013

to sing music that is too hard for her. It's not sour grapes at all - the kid has a very lovely voice for her age but if she's trying to learn to sing opera from watching YouTube videos she will probably learn bad technique and end up with vocal damage (no kidding, it happens) and be unable to sing well at all. If all she ever does is this talent show, probably no real harm will be done, but she might have a lot of unlearning (and undamaging) to do if she wants to go pro someday.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
24. And who's to say she won't?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:18 PM
Nov 2013

Some of the complaints and criticism really sound like pearl-clutching at best. Anyone knows a voice can be damaged. You think her parents and surrounding adults don't know that? Perhaps with this public exposure of her astounding talent - which NO ONE described as matured perfection - she might be able to secure professional help to reach that state of maturity safely. If she had to learn what she could from YouTube tutorials, you can bet she doesn't come from wealth. This talent show might've been the only chance she had for a successful, long career.

But people love to carp, I know that.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
12. Wow,...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:38 PM
Nov 2013

...what a bunch of wet blankets that showed up in this thread to bag on a 9 year old girl in a talent contest.

Holy Cow. Seriously.

TYY

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
14. Not bagging on her at all. I just hate to see a little kid with potential
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:39 PM
Nov 2013

running the risk of ruining her lovely voice doing stuff that's too hard.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
20. I didn't mean just you...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:08 PM
Nov 2013

I didn't realize I'd subconsciously repeated your 'wet blanket' comment. Sorry about that. My comment wasn't intentionally directed at you alone. I sincerely apologize if you felt singled out because of my oversignt.

I just think people in this thread should lighten up about a kid singing Puccini in a talent show.

TYY

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
21. That's OK - no offense taken.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:11 PM
Nov 2013

I just hope it's clear that I don't mean to pick on the kid - she does have potential but she shouldn't be doing opera yet, and I hope she isn't turned into a kind of circus freak by adults (stage parents or greedy agents?). Some of these talent shows tend to exploit people.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
22. With the right visibility from a talent contest...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:14 PM
Nov 2013

...she might receive the voice lessons needed to evolve her talent to the next level.

TYY

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
18. I was a voice major first. She was incredible. It was not too much for her.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:03 PM
Nov 2013

She did one short piece that was not too taxing for her. She has natural talent. She chose a piece that used a full range and that allowed her plenty of breath. It's all about the selection of the music and the tempo.

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
25. Sorry, I'll continue to be a wet blanket.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:40 AM
Nov 2013

She's pushing unhealthily even on the lowest notes (listen to the wobbly/uneven vibrato), forcing a great amount of air through vocal fold which are a) incredibly delicate, and b) not fully developed, nor will they be for about 10 more years. She's moving too much air without the muscular support system to control it. I would be surprised if there isn't already some pre-nodular swelling of her vocal folds.

Plus her Italian diction is terrible and she has no idea what the song is about.

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