Looks like we lost the VA AG race.

[longship]

Obenshain (R) ahead by 25,000. At this time in the night, that's pretty much it.

[itsrobert]

1. And your credentials are?

stay tuned.

[longship]

3. 120 precincts left to report.

Obenshain has over 50% (not a good sign).
25,000 votes difference. It's close, but with only 120 precincts left, it is not reasonable to say the Dem has much of a chance.

Those are my credentials. The numbers speak for themselves.

from the VA official results page.

[StrictlyRockers]

119. Remind me to never listen to longship when it comes to predicting election results.

OP could not be much more wrongery.

[elleng]

2. MSNBC doesn't have that.

[Tx4obama]

4. A link below

Here: http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resultsSW.aspx?type=SWR&map=CTY

[longship]

5. Now it's 21,000 votes ahead for Obenshain.

We're going to lose this one.

[rdharma]

6. Looks like game over at 10:08 PM EST

A triple would have been nice!

[TeeYiYi]

7. I'm seeing about 21,000...

...with almost 97% of the vote in.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resultsSW.aspx?type=SWR&map=CTY

TYY

[longship]

8. Sorry. Typo on my post. Will fix.

I'm on an iPhone. Forgive me.

The Republican is still going to win this one, I'm afraid.

[TeeYiYi]

11. Sadly, yes...

18,091 now but with 98% in it's not looking good.

TYY

[TeeYiYi]

9. Now 18,091...

...with 98.03% of the vote in.

TYY

[Robbins]

10. It's getting closer

the more Norhtern Virginia comes In.I wonder if this race could go to recount.

[longship]

12. Sorry to pop your balloon, but we're going to lose this one.

There are not enough uncounted votes left to bring it close, let alone win. Remember the uncounted votes will not be all for the Democrat.

Sorry, to bring you bad news. It's just not close enough.

I hope I'm wrong.

[Robbins]

14. Then so be It

With democratic areas not all In and a 1 point margain that's not a crazy thought.

[TeeYiYi]

16. Still 50 precincts to report...

Anything's possible.

Maybe you'll get your recount.

TYY

[longship]

18. It's not about the percentage, it's about the vote margin.

The Dem is behind by 18,000 votes. There are not enough votes to make up the difference, and the Republican is going to get some of them.

Plus, Obenshain (R) has over 50%.

This looks like a loss to me.

[TeeYiYi]

21. Oh come on... It's 17,971 now...

...with 98.11 % in. It's getting closer...

TYY

[longship]

126. Back off. It's tightened up. And there's an anomaly in one of the counties that favors Herring.

It was not looking good when I posted the OP. things have changed, remarkably.

So shoot me.

[StrictlyRockers]

135. Hey, back off! He's the boy who cried "Wolf!" Give him a break.

He couldn't help it if he was insistently wrong over, and over and over again.

Could he?

[longship]

174. Says the person who jumped into the thread at 1:22 am.

I started the thread at 10PM when things were looking grim.

You people who were Johnny come lately and started throwing chairs around the room are not appreciated very much.

This thread is a discussion which evolved over hours before some decided to what I can only call disrupt. It was friendly, and we all got caught up in the excitement as an apparent loss turned into a probable victory.

Unfortunately, there are those here on DU who always have to be right. When they disagree, they don't reason, they throw chairs.

I am not afraid to be wrong. I am glad that I was wrong here. That you missed out on the excitement of this thread as loss turned into victory, I am sorry. I wish you would have joined earlier. Then, maybe you would not be so disappointed. Or so rude.

[longship]

175. Okay! Are you going to self-delete, too?

The other disrupters have.

Again, this thread evolved over hours, something of which you apparently are not aware (other than the time stamps on the posts). This thread tells a story about possible victory out of the doldrums of failure.

But you jump in after things have turned around and start screaming "you were wrong!!!!!"

Too bad you did not join the conversation at 10PM.

And too bad that you, too, choose to be rude.

[StrictlyRockers]

176. You're hilarious.

This is easily the best thread of the night. No, I'm not self-deleting. And yes, you're right, you were very wrong to be so certain, over and over and over, that we lost this race. I can tell it stings.

And BTW, your 1:00 AM is my 10:00 PM.

I'm ready to make a prediction. When you wake up tomorrow morning you will find that you were even more wrongish than before. Our dude is going to win this AG race. You're the one who painted yourself into a corner by stating over and over and over that you were sure he was going to lose.

I know we are both very glad that you were wrong. And, I am not trying to rub it in. Myself, and some others maybe just find it curious and amusing that you were and are so intent on defending your wrongocity. Please, proceed. snicker

[Pretzel_Warrior]

143. BANG!

[renegade000]

17. not entirely lost yet

All absentee ballots are considered a single "precinct" within a county, and those are still outstanding for some large NoVA counties....

[renegade000]

34. yeah fairfax county had a pretty lame absentee turnout...

so not looking good

[renegade000]

64. actually, fairfax absentee numbers appear to be updating

guess they report partial results...

[Neurotica]

13. Not giving up yet (n/t)

[Motown_Johnny]

15. What are the recount rules in VA?

Looks like only about 19,000 votes now with almost 2% left to count.

It does look like we lost this one, but it pretty close.

[StrayKat]

20. It can be contested if the margin is within 1% of all votes.

Last edited Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Edited to add quotation from State Board of Elections :

In Virginia, there are no automatic recounts. Only an apparent losing candidate can ask for a recount, and only if the difference between the apparent winning candidate and that apparent losing candidates is not more than one percent (1%) of the total votes cast for those two candidates. (A law change effective 7/1/2009 allows a recount to be requested if the difference is not more than five percent (5%) of the total votes cast for those two candidates if one of those candidates was a write-in candidate for that office). (§ 24.2-800, Code of Virginia)

[Motown_Johnny]

24. This is going to be within 1%.

With over 2 million votes so 1% will be over 20,000 votes. The margin is smaller than that now and with mostly (D) precincts left to count it should stay well below that threshold.

[Aerows]

19. A mouse could starve on the difference

wait until all have reported. This one is closer than a flea's profile.

[longship]

22. Nope. 18,000 votes and R with over 50%.

We lost this one.

I wish it wasn't so.

[Motown_Johnny]

25. the math doesn't work

less than 2% left to count, so fewer than 40,000 votes out there (in round numbers).

a lead of around 18,000


the (D) needs something like 75% of the remaining votes to win

[StrayKat]

23. Norfolk goes very blue, and they have 13 precincts still outstanding.

It could still be possible to win.

NORFOLK CITY
Precincts Reporting: 37/50

Candidate Votes Percent
REP Party Mark D. Obenshain 9,517 30.29%
DEM Party Mark R. Herring 21,787 69.34%
Write-in 118 0.38%
Total Votes 31,422

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resultsCTY.aspx?type=SWR&rid=169&osn=6&map=CTY

[longship]

28. Well, that's why they haven't called it yet.

But I just saw just 48 precincts left to report and Obenshain still has over 50%. Certainly Obenshain will get many of those votes. When your opponent is over 50, and there are very few precincts left, there is not much hope left.

The latest:
38 precincts left and Herring (D) has lost ground. Now 22,000 behind Obenshain (R).

Like I said.

[StrayKat]

29. Yeah, it's pretty much done now.

Sigh.

[TeeYiYi]

26. 22027 with 98.50% (38 precincts left to report)

Heading the wrong way.

TYY

[Robbins]

27. Unfortutly this means he probally wins

Although a recount might still happen.

[TeeYiYi]

30. Yeah, I know. But it's fun to watch a photo finish. :)

TYY

[longship]

32. Probably not close enough for a recount.

You want it in the low thousands or hundreds of votes. 22,000 is too big for a recount. I think.

[calimary]

31. Shit.

[RBInMaine]

33. TOTALLY SUCKS ! Due to lower than expected Dem turnout. Simple as that. CHRIST !!

[brooklynite]

35. No, ticket splitting...

[TeeYiYi]

36. 15,681 vote difference with 98.98% reporting and 26 precincts left.

Heading back in the right direction. Below 1% now, isn't it?

TYY

[Motown_Johnny]

37. 1% = around 20,000 votes

so with about 1% left to count he needs almost all of them to win.

It looks like it will be close enough to recount, but it also looks like the first count is not going to go in our favor.

[kydo]

38. its 50% 50% on msnbc

[pinboy3niner]

40. And Obenshain's lead is down to around 12,000 now

Only 20 precincts left.

[JaneyVee]

39. RECOUNT!

[longship]

54. I doubt that there will be any recounts.

It's not close enough and Obenshain has had a consistent majority for much of the night.

It is just not close enough in vote count and it would cost the state a lot of bucks to do it. Not going to happen.

[demwing]

72. Sorry, you're wrong

There's no auto recount in VA, but the losing candidate can ask for a recount if the margin of difference is less than 1%.

As of now--11:37 pm--the difference is only 928 votes. That's .04%.

I'm pretty sure there will be a recount...

[longship]

151. I posted that when the margin was a bit larger.

So, those of you who have come into this thread late in the game and seem to be intent on throwing chairs here, are posting with incomplete information.

It is an exciting night for the VA AG race. It looked very bad when I started this thread, but we have all moved on since then.

Follow along, but please be nice.

Thanks.


Best regards.

[demwing]

178. Was I "throwing chairs"?

Or being mean in some way?

You said "no way" to the recount at 11:17pm. At that time there were well over 2,000,000 votes cast. One candidate would have had to have received more than 20,000 more votes than his opponent to disallow a recount.

At 11:00pm, no one had the two anywhere that far apart.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

144. How many times can a person be wrong in their own thread?

We may be about to find out.

Heheheh

[longship]

146. Gees, I am more than willing to be wrong.

There's nothing I would like than to be wrong about this race.

Are you willing to be less confrontational?

[TeeYiYi]

41. 12,546 at 99.21% with 20 precincts left.

Opa.

TYY

[StevieM]

42. It's a 10,775 vote margin at last count (eom)

[StevieM]

43. OMG...it looks like it is down to 1,337 votes!! We'll have to wait for the MSNBC ticker to come up

again for the AG race. But I am pretty sure that is what I saw.

[kydo]

45. I just saw that wow

[Robbins]

47. Your right

This Isn't being called till all votes are in.And even then there could be recount.

[StevieM]

55. If the GOP wins, then it is because of their chicanery with disqualifying legitimate voters.

40,000 of them, I believe, and they were estimated to favor the Democrats. This may be a stolen election, by voter suppression.

[StevieM]

57. Sorry, I posted this is in the wrong place. Self-delete (eom)

[StevieM]

44. I just checked again....I believe it was 1,357 votes!!! (eom)

[cthulu2016]

46. Aside from being right, what are your qualifications?

<joke>

Only 14 precincts out and about 12,00 votes behind.

Very, very close... but insurmountable.

[StevieM]

49. I was very confused by your post until I checked inside and saw it was a joke

I don't have any qualifications....I just read what I saw on the MSNBC ticker.

[longship]

50. D'ya mean other than I can count and do math?

[CreekDog]

173. yes, I'll back down

and I'll delete my messages.

i have certainly made mistakes here before.

[longship]

48. Just under 12,000 votes behind and 14 precincts uncounted.

Sorry, DUers, that's not enough.

Obenshain still has over 50%. No matter what the difference, that's not good enough.

[StevieM]

51. If you're reading the Virginia Board of Elections website, it is further behind than the networks..

They have us down by 1,357 votes at last count.

[cthulu2016]

56. Good point. Thanks.

[TeeYiYi]

52. 7061 on the website...

It must be updating slower than what they're showing on tv. (I don't have tv.)

Keep watching.

TYY

[Tx4obama]

53. Per AP, Dem Mark Herring within 1,300 votes in #VAAG.

Daily Kos Elections ‏@DKElections

Per AP, Dem Mark Herring within 1,300 votes in #VAAG. Was pessimistic and would love to be wrong.

https://twitter.com/DKElections/status/397939037924634624

[Rowdyboy]

60. Wouldn't be a real election without at least one recount....

I had given this one up for lost much earlier tonight so at least its possible....

[Robbins]

63. It's probally going to go to recount

It's so close.

[longship]

58. Some hope at last. 7,000 votes and 12 pcts left.

Still going to be tough to win.

[StevieM]

59. It's down to 1,1191 votes. At this point, the GOP voter suppression may decide the race (eom)

[kydo]

62. bagger supperssion is why this and the gov race are close

cooch went out of his way to help himself and his party steal this election.

[longship]

67. What kind of number is that?

[demwing]

82. Eleventy hundred, silly... /nt

[Liberal_in_LA]

61. dem gov will keep him inline

[longship]

65. 7 precincts unreported. 7,400+ behind. We're going to lose this one.

Unless something crazy happens.

I hope it gets crazy crazy.

[StevieM]

66. 1,589 vote margin at last count (eom)

[longship]

68. Not according to VA dept of elections. eom

[bluestate10]

69. Down to around 900. The Democrat seems to be picking up a huge amount

the vote that is being counted.

[StevieM]

70. The margin is down to 928 votes!!! (eom)

[longship]

71. Nope. My posts come from VA Dept of Elections.

Cite your source.

[Gravitycollapse]

73. Here's one...

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

[TeeYiYi]

79. 928 at 99%. Thanks for that.

Virginia Board of Elections website has been slow to update.

TYY

[kydo]

74. I'm looking at msnbc

and stevem's math is right. the va election site is slow. Its been that way most of the night

[StevieM]

78. The MSNBC ticker is further ahead than the VA Board of Election. I am doing the quick math

to establish the vote margin, but they are putting up the vote totals.

[StevieM]

75. It is down to 778 votes at last count (eom)

[demwing]

77. 800 difference out of 2 million + votes cast?

I hear a recount...

[StevieM]

80. And a lot of furor over the GOP voter suppression tactics (eom)

[kydo]

76. 99% in

Obenshain, Mark GOP 1,095,565 50%
Herring, Mark Dem 1,094,787 50%

[longship]

81. Cite # of precincts left. I have it as 8.

[kydo]

83. 2533 of 2541 Precincts Reporting - 99%

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

[Chan790]

84. Times Dispatch has those #s with 8 outstanding. n/t

[pinboy3niner]

85. The website is showing 7

Precincts still out are mixed; some in places going heavily Cooch, some heavily McAuliffe.

On the Statewide results page, you can click on Local Results for the AG race to see which precincts are out and how the vote has gone in the other precincts in that district.

[BumRushDaShow]

87. State link

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resultsSW.aspx?type=SWR&map=CTY

But the site has been running slow and is slow to update.

[pinboy3niner]

89. That's the one I'm looking at

It still shows Precincts Reporting 2534 / 2541.

[BumRushDaShow]

90. Yup

Wanted to post it in the thread since you mentioned it (I have had it and the governor one up too)!

[pinboy3niner]

94. Good idea, thanks. I checked the 7 precincts remaining:

I've marked them BLUE or RED depending on how other princincts in those areas have voted in the AG race.

BEDFORD COUNTY - RED
Precincts Reporting: 31/32

MECKLENBURG COUNTY - RED
Precincts Reporting: 23/24

NORFOLK CITY - BLUE
Precincts Reporting: 48/50

PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY - BLUE
Precincts Reporting: 77/78

ROANOKE CITY - BLUE
Precincts Reporting: 32/33

ROCKINGHAM COUNTY - RED
Precincts Reporting: 29/30

[longship]

86. Percent precincts mean nothing now. How many is what counts. nt

[Neurotica]

88. SBOE says 7 left and 4 of those seem to be Democratic urban areas

Remaining optimistic.

[longship]

91. 778 votes behind, 8 precincts left. A squeaker!! nt

[TeeYiYi]

92. That's a lot better than 25,000...

TYY

[longship]

93. I don't get it. The VA site says R ahead by 7,459 votes with 7 pcts not reported.

Where are the news media getting their numbers?

[Robbins]

95. The VA site is behind

And has been for some time.

[longship]

97. By # of pcts, the VA site is ahead!

But they are thousands of votes different.

[TeeYiYi]

98. This link has been updating...

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

Showing about 1100 difference with 7 precincts left.

TYY

[TeeYiYi]

96. Who knows...

Probably the same place Christie got his votes. It's a mystery.

I just hope the news media is correct. I don't have tv so I'm following the VA site and DU.

TYY

[pinboy3niner]

107. They may be including the latest absentee ballot counts

It doesn't look like the state website has added them yet. That may account for some reports of more votes reported, but from the same number or fewer precincts, than what is reported at the state website.

[CreekDog]

127. the media calls the precincts themselves

and tallies before the state elections board has compiled all the #'s.

that's why the state lags the media.

[StevieM]

99. My last count (via MSNBC ticker) is a 1,164 vote margin (eom)

[TeeYiYi]

101. Same...

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

TYY

[longship]

100. Times-Dispatch reports 1,164 votes with 7 pcts unreported.

That's the latest.

[Robbins]

102. well

If republican has picked up again then unfortuntly It may be over and we lost the AG race although possable a recount could
happen.

[Warren DeMontague]

104. ***

[RandySF]

103. Still hope!!

Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict 2m
Final Bedford Co. precinct reports in, Obenshain (R) lead expands from 778 to 1,184. But other remainders less favorable.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict

[Robbins]

105. I see

Hopefully remainders are less favorable.

[chillfactor]

106. last spread I saw was 778 votes

Herring definetly wining absentee voting count..so do NOT throw the towel in yet.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. It is well within recount territory now

0.21%

In California that triggers an automatic recount. Virginia residents how about your state?

[longship]

111. Welcome, Nadine. Looks like a squeaker.

Might take a while. The news media seems to have different numbers than the official VA site. We've got about 1,100 vote difference with 7 precincts left to report -- apparently all in blue territory.

The VA site has divergent data.

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. The state at times is behind in releasing the raw data

On their website. Media war rooms have a link straight to the raw data. I expect a recount at this point. Whoever is behind at 100% would be an idiot to concede

[pinboy3niner]

113. Of remaining precincts, 4 are in blue areas, 3 in red

Based on how the other precincts in those areas voted in the AG race. See #94.

[Chan790]

116. 5 remaining. Last 2 Norfolk in.

Obenshain's lead is down to 820.

2 blue, 3 red.

[YoDaddyWags]

117. Those last Norfolk precincts were not blue enough.

Came in at 62-38, when the rest of the county had been 70-30.

[gopiscrap]

120. welcome to DU

[StevieM]

122. I think some of Roanoke is still out. The oustanding vote definitely favors Herring.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict

[YoDaddyWags]

132. Is it?

AP has Roanoke all in; still out, single precincts in Mecklenburg, Rockbridge and Rockingham (red), and Newport News and Prince William (blue). H. would have to outdo his countywide numbers in the two blues to have a shot at closing the gap, if the AP is correct.

Of course, the absentees may make this nailbiting moot.

[StevieM]

137. The numbers/precinct info keeps changing, it is hard to say. But more good info just came in.

See my new post at the bottom of the thread (that I am about to put up).

[StevieM]

139. Latest vote count is a 153 vote margin, not incuding the vote adjustments from mis-reporting

https://twitter.com/Redistrict

[Gravitycollapse]

114. VA law has no automatic recount. The loser of less than 1% must request one.

[StevieM]

109. That latest count has the margin at 820 votes (eom)

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. Via huff post

This is going to recount (my opinion, no candidate concedes this close)

Virginia Attorney General
Mark Herring and Mark Obenshain, both state senators, are competing in what is expected to be the closest of Virginia's three statewide races.

Mark Obenshain 1,096,746 50.0%
Mark Herring 1,095,926 50.0%
99% reporting

[longship]

115. 820 votes difference. 5 pcts unreported.

Now the percent precincts is irrelevant. Please report the actual number of precincts. They'll all be 99%. We need to know how many are left.

[YoDaddyWags]

121. Projects to a 1038 vote deficit

. . . If the remaining five precincts come in at the same percentages as the rest of their counties. H. Looks to pick up 180 votes in Newport and 99 in Prince William; O. looks to add 55 in Mecklenburg, 80 in Rockbridge and 362 in Rockingham.

[StevieM]

125. Actually, Obama beat Romney 6456 to 5000 in those 5 precincts

https://twitter.com/Redistrict

[YoDaddyWags]

140. Ah. Please shred my projections, then.

Especially given the magical developments elsewhere.

[StevieM]

152. Welcome to DU!! I think that the voter turnout is lower but it should still net him at least

an additional 800 votes.

[StevieM]

118. Potentially big news!! There may have been a reporting error in Loudon County!!

https://twitter.com/jlock/status/397964795791417344/photo/1

[longship]

129. I can't figure out if this is 600 uncounted votes or a 1,200 swing.

The former would bring Herring within 200 votes; the latter would give Herring the lead.

I think this puppy is going to end up in court.

What say you, DUers?

[StevieM]

134. It is a 610 vote pickup. There may be another mis-reporting event that cost Obenshain 200 votes, but

overall it is still a pickup. And the outstanding precincts went for Obama over Romney 6456 to 5000.

[StrictlyRockers]

131. So, with that news, where we now stand is...

Taniel ‏@Taniel 5m
The situation, as described by @redistrict: 5 precincts remain. Obama carried them by 1456 votes. Herring needs to net 208 votes out of them
Retweeted by Dave Wasserman


https://twitter.com/Redistrict

[PoliticAverse]

128. Down to 153 votes...

Obenshain, Mark GOP 1,097,259 50%
Herring, Mark Dem 1,097,106 50%

[grasswire]

133. where are you getting the feed?

...and is there more news?

[Chan790]

138. here are good sources.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

https://twitter.com/Redistrict

[TeeYiYi]

150. Good twitter feed. Thanks. ..nt

TYY

[TeeYiYi]

141. Here at the top of the page...

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

TYY

[StevieM]

142. And that is not including the vote corrections (eom)

[longship]

145. How many precincts left to report?

And please cite your source.

We've got some some flyin' to do here, so let's get things on the hump.


This is exciting.

[Chan790]

148. Still 5 per Times-Dispatch. n/t

[longship]

153. Times-Dispatch has not updated for a while.

[Chan790]

156. 5 per AP as well.

I'm guessing that everybody's source is AP and AP is not updating while they review their records to make sure there are no more transcription errors.

[longship]

159. Yeah! When I saw that DU post, I kind of figured that.

They'll not likely update things until they get things resolved. Too bad.

[StevieM]

147. I think that puts Herring up by 264.

I think Herring picks up 610 from the Loudon vote adjustment, drops 193 from Buchanan County and that ads up to +264 for Herring. In the meantime, MSNBC seems to be trying to figure this all out--they have taken the VA AG race off their ticker.

[PoliticAverse]

149. Everyone will have to wait for the recount... n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. Pretty much said as much above

Recount

[longship]

155. Where are you getting this number? Please provide citation.

Many thanks. Also, how many precincts are left to report?

[PoliticAverse]

160. 5 precincts...

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

[Zorra]

157. Best not to make absolute statements, particularly when data and information are limited.

It's simply not sound science.



Go Herring!

[Coyotl]

158. NEW THREAD: Looks like we may have WON the Virginia Attorney General race.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023987734

[Chan790]

161. Edit: Obenshain now down 616.

Virginia - 2537 of 2541 Precincts Reporting - 99%
Herring, Mark Dem 1,098,388 50%
Obenshain, Mark GOP 1,097,772 50%

Margin: 616

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/

[st17011864200074656]

162. you mean down...

...look again

[Chan790]

168. Yeah, i just corrected that. thanks. n/t

[PoliticAverse]

164. You mean Herring is now up 616. n/t

[Chan790]

165. oops/

Thanks. My head is shot.

[pinboy3niner]

169. Ha! I read it wrong too, lol.

You're not alone.

[TeeYiYi]

166. No. Your post shows Herring ahead.

TYY

[Chan790]

167. Yeah, i just corrected that. n/t

[longship]

163. I agree. Let's move to another thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023987734

[alcibiades_mystery]

170. But this is the best thread of the night!

[TeeYiYi]

172. Agreed...

It shows the play by play drama of a photo finish race. From 25,000 down to real potential for a Dem sweep!

This thread rocks!

TYY

[StrictlyRockers]

171. LOL, good move, longship. Well played. n/t

[Recursion]

177. Somebody kick both and grab a screenshot... (nt)

[itsrobert]

179. That would be childish