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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:41 PM Nov 2013

Would you approve of Hillary's primary opponents using the Benghazi incident against her?

Obviously Hillary is a formidable candidate and it will take a lot to stop her. The temptation to exploit the Benghazi incident might be too much for a Martin O'Malley (for example) to resist.


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Yes. I want Hillary stopped, and if a primary opponent chooses to exploit Benghazi, so be it.
3 (43%)
No. That issue should be off-limits to Hillary's primary opponents.
4 (57%)
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Would you approve of Hillary's primary opponents using the Benghazi incident against her? (Original Post) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP
I think her primary opponents would be dead stupid to use Benghazi, winter is coming Nov 2013 #1
+100 JoePhilly Nov 2013 #8
+ 200 BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #35
Never. That stategy is beneath us, and counterproductive in the end. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #2
Agree 100%. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #11
someone, popcorn! NOW NightWatcher Nov 2013 #3
... bunnies Nov 2013 #20
Yes, absolutely LittleBlue Nov 2013 #4
Survey says.....#1 answer! /nt demwing Nov 2013 #9
but it gives legitimacy to an illegitimate issue Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #15
The moment they tried, their candidacy would be down the tubes scheming daemons Nov 2013 #5
No and I would be very angry at the candidate. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #6
Your choices are a bit strange. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #7
The Dem candidate that tries to do that Gman Nov 2013 #10
Not the incident itself, but the fact that Sec. Rice was put out front Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #12
Are you aware that the WH made the decision of who to send to the talk shows? Beacool Nov 2013 #16
here's what happened AtomicKitten Nov 2013 #22
That did stick out like a sore thumb... Whisp Nov 2013 #32
If the situation was reversed, do you believe that oneshooter Nov 2013 #13
After pulling Farrakhan out of the air AtomicKitten Nov 2013 #19
Trick question...there won't be any Primary opponents... brooklynite Nov 2013 #14
I won't like it but of course they will use it. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #17
Going after Hillary on Benghazi is akin to going after the president. Beacool Nov 2013 #18
As I was saying................ Beacool Nov 2013 #36
Absent some development to make it a legit issue, no cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #21
No, because the idea of a "Benghazi Incident" itself is pure RW bullshit. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #23
Benghazi has become a right wing joke, i would question the seriousness of any candidate JI7 Nov 2013 #24
Exactly Rstrstx Nov 2013 #39
Why anyone who is a Democrat would want to stop her BootinUp Nov 2013 #25
Maybe prospective opponent should take their cue from Hillary's own actions tularetom Nov 2013 #26
Please excuse my ignorance but Phlem Nov 2013 #27
I wasn't aware that she would be running in a primary with Republicans and Tea Party folk. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #28
It's a non issue Warpy Nov 2013 #29
Depends on how dirty She wants to fight. Whisp Nov 2013 #30
No, but I think going after other issues would be fairgame davidpdx Nov 2013 #31
Neither. Chan790 Nov 2013 #33
I'd RATHER see it taken care of in the primaries hughee99 Nov 2013 #34
No, but Madame 3 am phone call and fans have little room to whine. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #37
Madame 3 am phone call was too tired to do her job Whisp Nov 2013 #40
There's going to be a primary? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #38
I don't want Hillary but what is there to use? PeteSelman Nov 2013 #41
without even reading the comments backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #42
Best response yet Bandit Nov 2013 #43
Do you consider the 5 DUers who voted "yes" to be "stupid"? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #44
I stand by my post backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #47
No. I'd hold it against anyone who did. nt frogmarch Nov 2013 #45
There are so many better targets pasted to HRC, unless you are another conservative dem. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #46

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
1. I think her primary opponents would be dead stupid to use Benghazi,
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:42 PM
Nov 2013

because there's no there there. All it would do is make them look like birthers.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
35. + 200
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:27 AM
Nov 2013

We don't need Democrats beating up on Democrats and copying the Republicans in their primary, especially when there's never been a "there, there" regarding Benghazi. That would only validate Issa and the other Teapublican obstructionists in Congress.

So ... HELL no, it's not okay to "use" Benghazi against Hillary Clinton. I, for one, would like to see the WH remain in Democratic Party hands.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Never. That stategy is beneath us, and counterproductive in the end.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:44 PM
Nov 2013

If a case can be made against Hillary Clinton, there are plenty of legitimate arguments to be made.

Benghazi isn't one of them.

.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. Yes, absolutely
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:45 PM
Nov 2013

If a Republican can use it in the general, it SHOULD be used in the primary. Better to let it burn itself out in the primary than have a conflagration in the general. That goes for all of our primary candidates, not just Hillary.

The worst outcome is that one Democratic contender is defeated and another Democrat takes his/her place. In the general, the worst outcome is that a Republican wins the White House. That's an easy choice for me.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
15. but it gives legitimacy to an illegitimate issue
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:59 PM
Nov 2013


No (D) should accuse her of allowing Americans to die (or anything similar).

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
7. Your choices are a bit strange.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:47 PM
Nov 2013
Yes. I want Hillary stopped, and if a primary opponent chooses to exploit Benghazi, so be it.


What if someone likes Hillary and thinks Benghazi is fine point to dwell on. (and/or) What if a Hillary supporter thinks using Benghazi would backfire, and ultimately help her win?

Gman

(24,780 posts)
10. The Dem candidate that tries to do that
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:51 PM
Nov 2013

will lose credibility immediately across the board and take him/herself out as a serious candidate due to intellectual shortcomings.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. Not the incident itself, but the fact that Sec. Rice was put out front
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:57 PM
Nov 2013

on the incident while she stayed out of the media is a legitimate issue.

The Sec. of State should have been the one to go on the Sunday shows and announce what had happened. Sec. Rice never should have had to go through that.


Benghazi is bullshit and should be treated as such by one and all. Sec. Clinton's behavior after the incident is fair game.


Snipergate is also fair game.

As is her not only voting for the Iraq war but calling on others in The Senate to do so also.

She is going to have real problems clearing the Commander In Chief hurdle in the general and it should be an issue in the primary. It isn't wise to ignore the entire subject until it is to late.



Beacool

(30,247 posts)
16. Are you aware that the WH made the decision of who to send to the talk shows?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:03 AM
Nov 2013

Hillary did not send Rice to do the TV rounds, neither did she give her the talking points. As for why she didn't go herself, because she simply does not care much for going on those shows. She seldom did the rounds.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
32. That did stick out like a sore thumb...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:06 AM
Nov 2013

None of the officials was willing to speculate on why the secretary wouldn’t make an exception after such an extraordinary event — or whether Clinton had wanted to avoid a controversy that could have compromised her political future.


 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
19. After pulling Farrakhan out of the air
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:10 AM
Nov 2013

in the last debate in 2008, she's set the precedent that anything goes in a Democratic primary.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
14. Trick question...there won't be any Primary opponents...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:58 PM
Nov 2013

...certainly none with the clout to be listened to about an issue like Benghazi.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
18. Going after Hillary on Benghazi is akin to going after the president.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:05 AM
Nov 2013

The SOS serves the president. A primary candidate bringing up RW talking points would anger many Democrats, including the WH.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
36. As I was saying................
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:39 AM
Nov 2013

Another protester, 78-year-old Frances Minkowitz, didn’t mince words on her sign with a call to impeach Obama that also alluded to Benghazi.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014641493

If there's an idiot who brings up Benghazi during the primaries, he will not be looked upon kindly by other Democrats. The whole bogus "scandal" is catnip for the RW.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
21. Absent some development to make it a legit issue, no
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:21 AM
Nov 2013

As things stand there is no there there... no legit scandal in sight.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
23. No, because the idea of a "Benghazi Incident" itself is pure RW bullshit.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:39 AM
Nov 2013

It's right-wingers trying to make political hay out of the deaths of four people.

There's no "incident" because no one did anything wrong. Hillary didn't cause that attack.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
24. Benghazi has become a right wing joke, i would question the seriousness of any candidate
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:40 AM
Nov 2013

who brings it up.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
39. Exactly
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:06 AM
Nov 2013

If any Democratic candidate is getting their news from Fox that speaks volumes more about them than it does HRC

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
25. Why anyone who is a Democrat would want to stop her
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:43 AM
Nov 2013

remains to be explained in a way that includes a realistic view of how to win a national election.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
26. Maybe prospective opponent should take their cue from Hillary's own actions
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:48 AM
Nov 2013

Like when she injected the Rev. Wright into the 2008 primaries and gave the right wing and the gullible media the opportunity to pile on Obama.

But then, she's so "tough" I'm sure she can stand up to whatever a primary opponent throws her way.

But it isn't just Benghazi, she has several boxcars full of baggage that opponents can bring up. The republicans won't hesitate to do it so she may as well get used to it.

I'm not advocating that somebody should dump on her but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody does.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
27. Please excuse my ignorance but
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:52 AM
Nov 2013

who are her primary opponents?



-p

PS. I'm still not convinced it won't be another 3rd way presidency where the citizens of the country end up giving up their best interest for the sake of bipartisanship. We need a strong turn left, not more of this "I'm a new Democrat" bullshit.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
28. I wasn't aware that she would be running in a primary with Republicans and Tea Party folk.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:52 AM
Nov 2013

Are they Democrats?

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
29. It's a non issue
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:53 AM
Nov 2013

and even right wingers got bored with it within the first couple of days that Pox hyped it.

It's one of those "issues" that never gained traction with anybody because it was completely bogus. Anyone who tries to use it in a primary race is going to get laughed out of it.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
30. Depends on how dirty She wants to fight.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:56 AM
Nov 2013

If she wants to get in the mud and start the fun, anything goes then. I have no idea how Benghazi can be used tho. Maybe just the syllables are enough.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
31. No, but I think going after other issues would be fairgame
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:57 AM
Nov 2013

Her record as a senator and other things when she was SOS. She should be asked on what issues she disagreed with Obama.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
33. Neither.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:20 AM
Nov 2013

I have a general rule in elections regarding this kind of tactic...I want everything thrown in the primaries that can be thrown because the further from Election Day the revelation, the less it hurts you in the GE. I approve liberal use of this type of tactic in the primary because it leaves nothing in the barrel for the GOP to use in October, nothing to attack on after the conventions.

I don't think there's anything there on Benghazi...but if there were something there, I'd much rather get smacked with it in March than October.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
41. I don't want Hillary but what is there to use?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:07 PM
Nov 2013

What exactly is there to use against her? She didn't do anything wrong. No one really did. It was just one of those war things.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
44. Do you consider the 5 DUers who voted "yes" to be "stupid"?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:34 PM
Nov 2013

Or is the fact that they voted "yes" my fault for asking a stupid question?

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