Florida Chick-fil-A customer opens fire after car cuts in line at drive-thru

[Snake Plissken]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/06/florida-chick-fil-a-customer-opens-fire-after-car-cuts-in-line-at-drive-thru/

Authorities in Florida are searching for a suspect who opened fire after someone cut in front of him at a Jacksonville Chick-fil-A drive-thru.

According to First Coast News, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office deputies were called to the restaurant at around 9:25 a.m. Monday morning and found that the victim’s car had been struck by at least one bullet in the driver’s side of the rear window.

Investigators said that the victim had attempted to drive around an older brown Buick Regal which appeared to be stalled in the drive-thru line when the suspect got out of the passenger’s side of the car and began cursing.

The suspect took out a black semi-automatic handgun, fired one or more rounds and then fled on foot. The driver of the brown Buick Regal drove off after the suspect.


No ... we don't have a gun problem in this country, of course not.

[trublu992]

1. Thank God there was another gun owner who stopped him!

[Trekologer]

2. Just another responsible gun owner using their gun responsibly

Keeping us all safe from chicken-on-biscuit violence.

[dchill]

26. Hey! - The man was legally bound...

To stand his ground!

[pinboy3niner]

29. Is that why he ran like a chicken with its head cut off?

And it's just "cuts" it's not like the sky is falling. The guy should have been bound...and marinated and barded.

And I think I deserve a Pulletzer for this post, but that doesn't mean I'm not over-reacting.

[riqster]

78. I'll be accused of egging you on, but

I think DU should give us free range for fowl puns. It's not like there are more than a poultry few of them, anyway.

Yes, the Wingnuts who don't keep abreast of these jokes will accuse you of having no talons, but I disagree. The chicks love such things.

Hope I didn't ruffle anyone's feathers.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Damn it, Florida!

[DrDan]

76. amazing - Florida is the ONLY place where these things happen

simply amazing

[NuclearDem]

4. Spain, could we get a refund?

Turns out this whole Florida thing is getting too weird for us.

[Eleanors38]

5. Localnewz. earth-shaking. nt

[Hoyt]

33. Yet you cheer in Gungeon when some gun owner shoots a robber (local story), whether justified or not

[Bazinga]

36. E38 was just pointing out that there is already a group to discuss these stories.

Guns: The ongoing national debate over gun laws that has occurred since Sandy Hook is big news; discussion of gun control and related issues is currently permitted in GD. Gun porn, local gun-crime stories, and other narrowly-focused gun topics are not permitted.

Hence there is a difference between a local story posted in GD where it is specifically prohibited and one posted in the GC&RKBA group.

But perhaps an example where she (or anyone else for that matter) "cheered" for an unjustifiable shooting would lend credence to your attempted smear.

[Hoyt]

47. I get gun crowd would like negative gun stuff posted where it won't be seen by most.

Folks with gun references in their user name are quite obvious.

[Bazinga]

50. I don't have a problem with people pointing out idiocy.

Especially in public forums. This guy deserves every bit of ridicule he's getting.

I do, however, take issue with double standards and dishonesty. The SOP prohibits local gun crime stories, yet here we are. You claimed E38 cheered for unjustifiable shootings, but offered no proof.

You may want to consider posting your dishonest smears in a forum "where it won't be seen by most."

[Hoyt]

59. Go to Gungeon and tell me the gun cultists don't cheer shootings, record guns sales, lax gun laws,

criticize candidates opposed to guns, promote more guns in more places, chalk up every little kid that gets killed to "user error," etc.

There is plenty of proof there. Heck, go back to the period of the Zimmerman trial and read the gun cultists views on "stand your ground and shoot an unarmed kid" crud.

Sorry, guns have become a big political issue. A Democrat in Va just won, notwithstanding a strong stand against more gunz because he believe more gunz portend more violence like in the OP.

[Bazinga]

65. Not the issue.

I don't disagree that gun control is an important national topic. I also agree that there are many here who support armed self-defense, as I am one of them.

However, you have failed (a second time now) to demonstrate where an unjustifiable shooting was celebrated by anyone, much less Eleanors38. The Zimmerman case had its day in court, but I don't remember reading any threads celebrating what Zimmerman did or the death of Trayvon Martin. At most the temperament was one of "wait and see what facts come to light." And most were condemnatory of Zimmerman's actions that night.

I have read a lot of the threads in GC&RKBA, even going back to when you were still welcome to post there. And I will tell you that posters there don't cheer unjustifiable shootings, record mass shootings, or lax gun law enforcement. They do criticize candidates who would risk giving their posts to Republicans just to morally grandstand for ineffective legislation, they do promote taking responsibility for one's self-defense, and they do condemn those who act irresponsibly.

Until you can show otherwise, your post remains dishonest.

[Hoyt]

66. Being called "dishonest," by a gun promoter doesn't really bother me.

Enjoy your gunz.

[Bazinga]

68. Fair enough.

I guess I'll have to increase my dishonesty tolerance level accordingly.

[Hoyt]

69. Oh, BTW, if you run over to your favorite group right now, you'll see the first two threads are

"celebrating" shootings. And all the posters are getting off on it, and not one says "Jeez what if it weren't so easy for criminals to get guns."

[Bazinga]

79. But they are not celebrating unjustifiable shootings.

And your dishonesty remains.

[Hoyt]

83. Sorry, posted about NRA Presidents be imprisoned for road rage in the wrong place. Delete

[Eleanors38]

41. No cheers, Hoyt, and you know it. You're right about one thing:

Such examples of self-defense -- and there are many -- are posted in the GUNGEON.

But when some incident serves " your" interests it goes in GENERAL DISCUSSION; after all, how else could anyone work up a DU sanctified smear-fest against fellow progressives.

Post 'em in the OPEN gun group. Or the CLOSED one. Quit shopping for a more favorable audience with localnewz postings in Guns-Dogs.

[Eleanors38]

44. If you want "cheers," look down thread at the pun(tgun)-a-rama.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. In psychology it is called something completely different

It is called release.

[Eleanors38]

87. In lit and drama, comic relief.

[msanthrope]

62. I don't want to coop up a crime like this in RKBA. nt

[pinboy3niner]

6. *thigh*

There are so many gun incidents these days it's hard to keep abreast.

[Fumesucker]

8. You have to keep your ear to the ground, your nose in the air and your finger to the wind

If you want to stay abreast of what's afoot.

[pinboy3niner]

10. That's too complicated...I think I'll just wing it

[dchill]

27. Truly.

[msanthrope]

61. The truly fowl crimes do stand out, though. nt

[TroglodyteScholar]

7. Oh, Florida...

Making Wisconsin look sane since...well...since.

[KentuckyWoman]

9. legs not get all excited about this

Thankfully the guy only shot one pullet.

[pinboy3niner]

12. That's how it starts...with one pullet

And before you know it we'll be up to our necks in it. We'll have a veritable gizzard of gun violence at Chick-fil-A in no time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Where do you think they get the lead for the secret sauce?

You silly

[pinboy3niner]

14. I've heard of "hard sauce" but I thought it meant something else

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Well now you know

[pinboy3niner]

22. No wonder some say...

...that their chicken is of a high caliber.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Nothing but the best

Though this one was underpowered. And the chicken ran.

[StrictlyRockers]

11. I suspect fowl play.

Ok, check that one off. I just wanted to get it out of the way...

[pinboy3niner]

15. The shooter never did get his order of SIG Sauer Chicken

Now that's fowl!

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

49. He took a gander and ducked out.

[woolldog]

19. .....

[flvegan]

17. Wait... suspect got out of stalled Buick in the Chick-fil-a drive thru

cursed, then fired one or more rounds then fled...that's a gun problem? To be clear, that's not a person/people problem (not so easy to blame, so I get that...agenda and all).

[ZombieHorde]

34. I hope we can all agree at least that the guy

had a car problem.

[pinboy3niner]

35. I'd be tempted to say it was a carbine problem...

...but I'd get jumped on by lots of folks pointing out my obvious error...complete with lots of photos and illustrations to make the point.

[Eleanors38]

45. Do they serve beans as well as cars?

[warrprayer]

86. carbine vs. pistol

"A carbine (/ˈkɑrbiːn/ or /ˈkɑrbaɪn/),[1] from French carabine,[2] is a longarm similar to — but shorter than — a rifle or musket. Many carbines are shortened versions of full rifles, firing the same ammunition at a lower muzzle velocity due to a shorter barrel length.

The smaller size and lighter weight of carbines makes them easier to handle. They are typically issued to high-mobility troops such as special-operations soldiers and paratroopers, as well as to mounted, supply, or other non-infantry personnel whose roles do not require full-sized rifles.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine

"When distinguished as a subset of handguns, a pistol is a handgun with a chamber that is integral with the barrel, such as a pepperbox revolver—as opposed to a standard (single-barrel) revolver, wherein the chamber is separate from the barrel as a revolving cylinder.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol

Pistol -



Carbine -



WTF -

[Glassunion]

63. ^^^ So full of win... +1000 ^^^^

[Marrah_G]

18. When you have a hammer, everything is a nail

[pinboy3niner]

20. For the win!

[dchill]

28. When I have a hammer...

Everything is a thumb.

[pinboy3niner]

30. LOL!

[dchill]

31. It's also a good reason for my not having a gun.

[pinboy3niner]

32. You and me both!

[mac56]

48. If I had a hammer

I'd hammer in the morning. At Chick-fil-A.

[Deep13]

21. I have no response to that. It happens so often.

So here is an Arab man playing Yankee Doodle on bagpipes in a Roman city.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200474746448061&set=vb.1139113400&type=3&theater

[Manifestor_of_Light]

24. Then there was the Taco de Banos in Houston.

On the corner of Chimney Rock and Richmond.

A woman customer could not get a free refill on her Coke so she shot the manager.

Life in the Big City.

Taco Cabana needs a higher caliber of manager.

[pinboy3niner]

25. That could explain the new Taco de Banos Special

"Chili Con Carnage"

[Manifestor_of_Light]

81. DUzy!!

Carne and Carnage have the same Latin root: Meat.

From Wiktionary:
From Middle French carnage, from Latin carnaticum (“slaughter of animals”), itself from Latin carnem, accusative of caro (“flesh”).

[The Straight Story]

37. Once more:

Over 50 million people own guns, less than 1% use them like this.

***BUT*** if all the news covers is the negative issues, that is all we will see and believe (like, um, fox does with some issues).

I technically could balance this story by posting 49+ million more about people who are responsible guns owners (but that is not allowed here.

Folks don't want to hear anything that challenges the bubble they live in and their personal religious beliefs about gun ownership.

BTW - we already have laws in place that make what happened in this story illegal. Please let us all know what new laws would have stopped this from happening and would not take away the rights of the 99% of the responsible people.

[LanternWaste]

43. That's one way to rationalize the most highly armed national population on the planet.

That's one way to rationalize the most highly armed national population on the planet.

[Whiskeytide]

53. I don't disagree with you...

... but that's mostly because your point is self evident. Of course most gun owners don't do things like this. Of course more regulations likely wouldn't have prevented this. But that's not the point.

The problem is that our culture (not just our "gun" culture - whatever that is, but our culture generally) almost encourages this behavior. I think some people really do go through the day fantasizing about how they might have to use their gun. I don't know if they're emulating movies, TV, video games - whatever... But something is up with the cavalier way more and more of us seem to think about using our guns. In the freakin' drive-thru??? Are you kidding me???

When someone says we have a gun problem, I don't take that as we need less guns or we need more regulation. I take it to mean we have a screwed up attitude about the role of guns in our society. We have to change that culture. JMHO.

[Bazinga]

67. Well said.

The problem is that this man would resort to such a high level of violence for such a minor situation, not the instrument by which he chose to perpetuate that violence.

[Whiskeytide]

82. Exactly, except....

... I do think that the fact that this guy HAD a gun in his car fed into the problem, fed into his fantasy, and fed into the knee-jerk response of pulling the gun out. Someone up-thread said "when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail...". I think there's a lot of truth to that. This guy had a gun, went through his days imagining how cool it would be if he could use it, and was just waiting on someone to dis him enough to "deserve" it. When that goes on long enough, and other people continually fail to give you a legitimate reason to use the "hammer", you start blowing every little offense out of proportion. Eventually, someone cutting in line starts to seem like a gun worthy event.

Its a "people" problem, but the culture is helping create and shape the people in a twisted way.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

54. So you want to sweep under the rug (by your math) roughly 500,000 instances of improper gun use?

Yes, it is still a problem. Especially when you are dealing with something that was specifically and intentionally designed to be a deadly weapon, it is still a problem.

[The Straight Story]

55. No, but we have laws already to deal with those issues

Some folks just want to enforce a negative stereotype though (kind of like these folks at this school do http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023995161 ). Take less than 1 percent of a group, only discuss them in public and the press (and online) to whip up fear of the other 99%.

We really,really hate it when the rw does that with muslims, minorities, people on food stamps, etc.

Then we turn around and embrace the tactic and promote it.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

56. There's a huge difference between being a Muslim or minority or poor, and owning a gun.

People voluntarily choose to own guns, and guns should not be their cultural identity (although for many, it is.)

Being someone of a certain race or religion does reflect who you are. Or, if you were born into or fall into poverty, unfortunately, that is a reality of your situation.

None of that is in any way similar to being a gun owner.

Your life is not centered around a tangible object. Especially one specifically designed as a deadly weapon.

[The Straight Story]

58. Tactics are tactics

Some people smoke pot. They steal to support their drug habit. Does that mean most people on pot are thieves?

Using the few to paint the many is wrong no matter the issue. Period.

The vast majority of gun owners harm no one with them. That is a fact. Over 99% of them don't harm others with something they own.

Yet we have little quips like 'oh, another responsible gun owner' etc and so on when talking about them. All over less than a percent of people that own them.

Are you saying you are fine with that tactic?

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. I should point at this moment to Wayne LaPierre

Who uses "responsible owner" regularly. That meme emerged from the NRA. It became like the bananas after Fuku. It is so ridiculous in it's face that it becomes a pun.

Thank Mr. La Pierre, not those of us who found that statement puny as hell

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Canada, by statistics that is, is just as well armed as the US

You explain to me why we don't read this idiocy regularly in places like the Toronto Star?

Part of the real answer is the culture around guns. Part of it is indeed Canadian law, which is that much more stringent. But I think you knew that.

[Sancho]

38. ...cows say, "shoot more chickens!"

...Toyota says, "shoot more Buicks!"

...Governor Scott says, "shoot more bullets and maybe you won't miss!"

[malaise]

39. What's wrong with you

He was merely standing his ground - or his place in the line

[B Calm]

40. Just 1 more reason not to eat at Chick-fil-A!

[Iggo]

42. MORE GUNS!!!

YEEEEEE-Haaaaw!!!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

46. The only way to stop a Bad Guy with the chicken sandwich...

is a Good Guy with a chicken sandwich.

Move along, now, people...

[Myrina]

51. Sounds like 2 assholes who need to be locked in a room together.

All that drama over a freakin' drive thru dinner? Meh.

[Niceguy1]

52. whats

Up with people trippin at fast food places?

People need to chill

[msanthrope]

64. Low blood sugar? nt

[NastyRiffraff]

57. Hey, someone cut ahead of him!

What else is he supposed to do but fire a gun?

[gopiscrap]

71. welcome to DU

[otohara]

70. Gun In Car = Aggressive Behavior

old study says so and damned if these assholes with guns in their cars keep proving it to be true.

[KamaAina]

73. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

[Shrike47]

77. Have we considered legalizing assaults on line jumpers and paparazzi?

Perhaps an affirmative defense?

[Sunlei]

80. guns sure add a lot of flare to road rages!

[Hoyt]

84. NRA President Keene's son was imprisoned for a road rage incident, he shot at motorist.

Daddy probably feels he brought his son up right in the gun culture.

The incoming NRA President is an admitted racist.

[warrprayer]

85. every time this happens

and someone proposes expanding background checks, the NRA acts like the sky is falling. Tired of their clucking nonsense!