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hack89

(39,171 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:18 PM Nov 2013

PETA to traumatize kids for Thanksgiving

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals plans to run ads in bus shelters showing a traditional Thanksgiving image to adults and a different, bloody, image to children, the organization said in a news release.

The ads incorporate lenticular technology, so that people 4-feet, 3-inches and shorter will see an image different from the mother carving a cooked turkey in front of two children. Shorter viewers will see the scene with the two children spattered with blood and horrified as the mother cuts into a live bird.

The ad reads: "Traditional Thanksgiving Dinner -- From Your Family Butcher." The smaller type for the adult version reads, "Time to Try Vegan. Get Recipes at PETA.org," but children see, "Say No to Turkey."


http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20131107-peta-plans-ads-with-one-image-for-adults-another-bloody-one-for-children-poll.ece
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PETA to traumatize kids for Thanksgiving (Original Post) hack89 Nov 2013 OP
Nothing like traumatizing children Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #1
Actually, I am betting many kids, raised on movies, video games & the like--will think that is "cool hlthe2b Nov 2013 #5
Didn't think of it that way, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #6
I think we need a PET-P Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #2
PETA needs some sort of media/PR consultant badly. stevenleser Nov 2013 #3
I have yet to find anyone who's changed their mind about meat due to PETA and their shock tactics Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #4
PETA's ads always have the opposite of their intended effect scheming daemons Nov 2013 #7
They still pulled in like 31 million last year...Just like teabaggers that buy Failin's books snooper2 Nov 2013 #12
No such thing as bad publicity, and here we are talking about them. Brickbat Nov 2013 #14
ask Rand Paul and Anthony Weiner if there's no such thing scheming daemons Nov 2013 #17
So it's long been proven that early hominins started eating meat millions of years ago snooper2 Nov 2013 #8
I wish I could recall the name of the poster.. X_Digger Nov 2013 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #9
wow, what a way to support a wrong. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #15
especially since your conclusion is absurd. sure, that would be fucked up if that could even be seabeyond Nov 2013 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #24
Harvest Festival is celebrating "demise of Native Pop"? Oh. uppityperson Nov 2013 #25
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what you do nto get is i do not care. football is irrelevant to the actions of peta. seabeyond Nov 2013 #26
Football is the perfect way to celebrate the demise of the Native Population in this country? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #31
So you're ok with this dumbass stunt by PETA? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #21
Butcher the turkey in the house? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #27
they arent "telling" kids. they're creating something as graphically horrible as they can to traumat seabeyond Nov 2013 #28
And it's just as sick justifying it. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #33
i do not know too many people that would defend purposely traumatizing a child for any reason. seabeyond Nov 2013 #35
Why do they do these dumbass stunts. HappyMe Nov 2013 #10
What morons. n/t greytdemocrat Nov 2013 #11
PETA's entered a vicious cycle. Arkana Nov 2013 #16
This... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #32
Fuck PETA. Brickbat Nov 2013 #19
Love PETA! RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #22
South Park did it better thelordofhell Nov 2013 #23
PETA gives all humane and green groups a black eye greatlaurel Nov 2013 #34
This is PETA. Archae Nov 2013 #36
PETA can go choke their chicken. DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #37
Why does PETA hate children ? The kids will be traumatized for life. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #38
Ever see that video of Sara Palin talking to the camera as a guy stuffs upaloopa Nov 2013 #39
Everyone should be required to live on a working small farm for one year. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #40
I haven't always agreed with their message Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #41
Jump the shark much PETA? lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #42
God hates omnivores. ntt rrneck Nov 2013 #43

hlthe2b

(102,239 posts)
5. Actually, I am betting many kids, raised on movies, video games & the like--will think that is "cool
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:28 PM
Nov 2013

Not that I am defending PETA in any way, but just suspect it will backfire

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
6. Didn't think of it that way,
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:33 PM
Nov 2013

you're probably right, either way, it will have the opposite effect of what PETA expects.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
3. PETA needs some sort of media/PR consultant badly.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:25 PM
Nov 2013

This is going to have the effect of turning people off to PETA and all of the issues PETA holds dear.

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
4. I have yet to find anyone who's changed their mind about meat due to PETA and their shock tactics
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

What got me to cut back on meat and now seriously considering going completely vegetarian was well thought out discussion with friends who have gone vegetarian or even vegan.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
7. PETA's ads always have the opposite of their intended effect
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:35 PM
Nov 2013

Their PR folks should be fired.

They are chasing money and people away from their cause with every stunt they pull.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
12. They still pulled in like 31 million last year...Just like teabaggers that buy Failin's books
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:48 PM
Nov 2013

They have a crowd that will give no matter what...All you need is a fraction of a percentage of the population to donate so you can still make a buck---

From the most unbiased site I could find----


http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4314#.Unvfwyfhf1Y

Score (out of 70) Rating
FYE 07/2012
Overall 42.84 2 stars
Financial 36.08 1 stars
Accountability & Transparency 52.00 3 stars


Financial Performance Metrics
Program Expenses
(Percent of the charity’s budget spent on the programs
and services it exists to deliver) 83.2%
Administrative Expenses 0.7%
Fundraising Expenses 15.9%
Fundraising Efficiency $0.17
Primary Revenue Growth -2.4%
Program Expenses Growth -0.3%
Working Capital Ratio (years) 0.25

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. So it's long been proven that early hominins started eating meat millions of years ago
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:36 PM
Nov 2013

And for a large brain, you need lots of energy. By eating meat we were able to have time to explore humanity, do things like pass down language instead of grazing in the fields all day. You would have to eat a two five gallon bucket of grasses to get the same energy as a hunk of lamb.

We should start campaigns on how PETA are trying to make us ignorant grazers again




The first major evolutionary change in the human diet was the incorporation of meat and marrow from large animals, which occurred by at least 2.6 million years ago.




Who was eating this meat and marrow?
Currently, there is fossil evidence for at least three species of hominins occurring at around 2.6-2.5 Ma: Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus garhi, and Paranthropus aethiopicus; H. habilis was established by around 2.4-2.3 Ma (Figure 2). There are no butchered bones (or stone tools) found at stratigraphic levels associated with A. africanus or P. aethiopicus, so those taxa are less likely to be our perpetrators. While butchered bones have been found near A. garhi fossils (de Heinzelin et al. 1999), it's only in the Homo lineage, especially in Homo erectus, that we see biological features often linked to meat-eating, such as a decrease in tooth and gut size and an increase in body and brain size (e.g., McHenry 1992; Aiello and Wheeler 1995; Antón 2003; Braun et al. 2010).


Figure 2: Photograph of a cast of KNM-ER 1813, a 1.9 million-year-old Homo habilis skull from Koobi Fora, Kenya.
This is one of the most complete skulls of this species.


Why did hominins start eating more meat and marrow?
"Why" questions are notoriously difficult to answer about the past, but we can examine some of the benefits that meat and marrow provide. Meat and marrow are calorie-dense resources with essential amino acids and micronutrients (Milton 1999), and aquatic fauna offer resources rich in nutrients needed for brain growth (e.g., Broadhurst et al. 2002). Increasing the consumption of animal foods could have allowed hominins to increase their body size without losing mobility, agility, or sociality (Milton 1999). But what was the frequency and quantity of nutrients obtained by hominins from animal tissues versus other foods? Hominins at sites FLK 22 and FLKN 1-2, Olduvai Gorge, broke long bones of small to medium-large mammals in direct proportion to their estimated gross caloric yield from marrow fat (Blumenschine & Madrigal 1993 - but see Bunn et al. 2010 for a different interpretation of hominin behavior at FLKN 1-2). Long bone abundance of medium-large mammals at FLK 22 is also correlated significantly and positively to the net yield of marrow bones (Blumenschine & Madrigal 2000). Optimal foraging theory dictates that foods in the optimal diet set are expected to be consumed whenever encountered; the carcass encounter rate is dependent on a variety of ecological variables (Blumenschine & Pobiner 2006). This indicates that by at least 1.8 million years ago, carcass-processing decisions may have taken into account the energy yield of a variety of foods. Assuming opportunistic encounters with carcasses, these net yields are comparable to, or higher than, those for most, if not all, non-mammal food items harvested by tropical hunter gatherers (Blumenschine & Pobiner 2006 and references therein).

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
29. I wish I could recall the name of the poster..
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:11 PM
Nov 2013

.. who swore that man only started eating meat due to the 'rise of the patriarchal religions', swore up and down that no animal ever killed for 'sport' or raped, and never engaged in war.

It was comedy gold.

Ooh, I remembered- defendandprotect. According to her, we were vegetarians until ~5k years ago, we never landed on the moon, and manure is a terrible fertilizer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4206909&mesg_id=4207466

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=299475#299504

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #13)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. especially since your conclusion is absurd. sure, that would be fucked up if that could even be
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:03 PM
Nov 2013

considered what i said.

follow:

peta is putting up a horribly graphic picture for childrens eyes only, manipulating it in a manner that is beyond the parents eyes.... wrong.

that is what is fucked up

hence

you bring up football i assume justifying or excusing petas action is your idea of a wrong (football) to validate petas wrong (the graphic picture traumatic to children)

do you see how it does not even remotely = your conclusion

but you knew that right? a game right? kinda like your original reply

just to justify petas wrong

Response to seabeyond (Reply #20)

Response to uppityperson (Reply #25)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
26. what you do nto get is i do not care. football is irrelevant to the actions of peta.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

using football to deflect petas actions is a fail.

you can keep talking football. so what? that is another topic, another thread.

you are making excuses for petas wrong.

that is what is truly absurd.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
31. Football is the perfect way to celebrate the demise of the Native Population in this country?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:12 PM
Nov 2013

When did this happen?

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
18. So you're ok with this dumbass stunt by PETA?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:59 PM
Nov 2013

You think it's ok to try to ruin a kids Thanksgiving Day meal?

Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #18)

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
27. Butcher the turkey in the house?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

I don't know where you grew up, but in my family, we would butcher our turkey in our barn, not the house, the art of butchering is rather messy, I don't know of anyone who butchered a turkey, or a chicken in their house.

These ads are aimed at little children, not teens, little children don't need to see this shit.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. they arent "telling" kids. they're creating something as graphically horrible as they can to traumat
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:11 PM
Nov 2013

traumatize a child. that is .... sick. fuckin sick. it is a sick person that would go out of their way to purposely try to traumatize a child.

fuck

surely this is not so fuckin hard to understand

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
35. i do not know too many people that would defend purposely traumatizing a child for any reason.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:16 PM
Nov 2013

ok. in RL i know NO ONE that would justify purposely traumatizing a child.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
16. PETA's entered a vicious cycle.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:58 PM
Nov 2013

They aren't going to convert anyone with shock and awe--all they do is raise eyebrows and grab headlines and money, which allows them to do more shock and awe shit.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
34. PETA gives all humane and green groups a black eye
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:13 PM
Nov 2013

Their are a front group designed to make all humane and environmental groups look stupid to low information people by these ludicrous stunts. I am sure they are started by and financed by some really nasty dark money group.

I wish Anonymous would find out the real backers of PETA.

What a bunch of creeps.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
36. This is PETA.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:17 PM
Nov 2013

And PETA gets it's views about nature by watching Disney cartoons, and thier leaders openily advocate banning even having a dog or a cat.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
39. Ever see that video of Sara Palin talking to the camera as a guy stuffs
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:47 PM
Nov 2013

live turkeys into some cone thing to dress them just behind her?
PETA must have taken lessons.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
40. Everyone should be required to live on a working small farm for one year.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:53 PM
Nov 2013

Then you will know where your food comes from.

I grew up on one and as a kid actually helped kill and dress animals for our food. Pictures like the poster would have made me laugh at the nonsensical idea of killing the turkey on the table. That's what the chopping block outside is for.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
41. I haven't always agreed with their message
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:58 PM
Nov 2013

but I have long admired their guerilla marketing tactics...

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