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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:15 PM Nov 2013

Alcohol Is Really Pissed Off at Marijuana Right Now



Marijuana has been giving alcohol a bad name. So contend booze lobbyists, who are getting sick of an ad campaign that makes the claim that pot is safer than their beloved beverages.

"We're not against legalization of marijuana, we just don't want to be vilified in the process," said one alcohol industry representative who didn't want to be quoted harshing his colleagues mellow. "We don't want alcohol to be thrown under the bus, and we're going to fight to defend our industry when we are demonized."

The marijuana industry has had a good couple of years: a recent poll found that 58 percent of the country thinks the product should be legal, recreational use has been legalized in two states already, and this past election saw the city of Portland, Maine, legalize 2.5 ounces of pot. Ahead of the vote in Portland—which received 70 percent support—the Marijuana Policy Project put up signs around the city with messages like "I prefer marijuana over alcohol because it doesn't make me rowdy or reckless," and "I prefer marijuana over alcohol because it's less harmful to my body."

Alcohol lobbyists believe it's a "red herring" to compare the two. "We believe it's misleading to compare marijuana to beer," said Chris Thorne of the Beer Institute. "Beer is distinctly different both as a product and an industry."

Thorne notes that the alcohol industry is regulated, studied extensively, and perhaps more importantly already an accepted part of the culture.

"Factually speaking beer has been a welcome part of American life for a long time," he said. "The vast majority drink responsibly, so having caricatures won't really influence people."

But MPP takes issue with the idea they are painting a false picture. In a recent Op-Ed for CNN, Dan Riffle, the group's director of federal policies, notes that according to the Centers for Disease Control excessive alcohol use is the third leading lifestyle-related cause of death. Booze also "plays a role in a third of all emergency room visits," he says

http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/alcohol-is-really-pissed-off-at-marijuana-right-now-20131107
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Alcohol Is Really Pissed Off at Marijuana Right Now (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 OP
As someone who likes both, I'm sick of the self-righteous pantloads who attack booze thinking that.. JVS Nov 2013 #1
+100000 dionysus Nov 2013 #2
And while were on that. How the fuck did Salvia get banned in so many states? There ought to be... JVS Nov 2013 #4
i don't know. have you ever tried it? I saw my neighbor on it once and he was so fucked up, dionysus Nov 2013 #6
It's fantastic stuff. Only lasts a few minutes, but can literally knock you on your ass. JVS Nov 2013 #11
the kid who i saw was all fucked up, walks up to me, eyes all kinds of screwy... "you too man?" dionysus Nov 2013 #16
Sounds like you had a good time, grats man n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #17
Quite a few good times. Some friends didn't get much effect. A couple friends didn't like it. JVS Nov 2013 #20
Did you bring enough Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #48
I tried 30x extract and became part of a cobblestone road AAO Nov 2013 #79
Salvia is rather different than DMT Kurska Nov 2013 #14
thanks, i've not tried either. tried plenty of other hallucinogens, but not those... dionysus Nov 2013 #19
Really!?!?! Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #25
Perfect example why people should take turns MagickMuffin Nov 2013 #43
Someone pointed out that all was well, until he dropped the lighter. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #44
That's exactly why there should ALWAYS be a watcher! MagickMuffin Nov 2013 #50
That video looks really fake. JVS Nov 2013 #51
Could be … … … MagickMuffin Nov 2013 #55
ANY drug? Revanchist Nov 2013 #56
+1 n/t jaysunb Nov 2013 #3
The comparison is compelling and appropriate. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #9
No, the comparison sucks, and the holier than thou act is lame shit. JVS Nov 2013 #13
Ugh. Totally disagree. tridim Nov 2013 #24
So I take it you are all for Drunk Driving.. Bandit Nov 2013 #23
I've noticed that MADD doesn't ever seem to be mothers for giving people rides home from the bars. JVS Nov 2013 #27
"Since you think that Mothers Against Drunk Driving are a neo-temperance group." JVS Nov 2013 #29
Already Has otohara Nov 2013 #61
Despite your likes and dislikes, people don't end up getting in fights Rex Nov 2013 #64
I agree.. sendero Nov 2013 #69
alcohol = extreme violence and death. not many bloody brawls in pot coffee houses nt msongs Nov 2013 #5
i never understood why it affects so many people that way. if i'm drunk, i like to watch movies or dionysus Nov 2013 #7
Because people who are planning on doing questionable activities know that if they down a couple... JVS Nov 2013 #15
it's wierd man, i've seen people drive like fucking maniacs... if i've had one drink and got in the dionysus Nov 2013 #21
IMHO, most people who 'change' when they drink... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #36
From my understanding some can handle the situation MagickMuffin Nov 2013 #47
i used to blaze it down in college, but these days i'm a one hit wonder... i kinda like it better dionysus Nov 2013 #66
I think it depends on personality. CFLDem Nov 2013 #67
There are many different ways it affects people annabanana Nov 2013 #70
that's great, thanks for posting that! it's so true. i used to be sixth but now more like fourth :( dionysus Nov 2013 #71
They seem to get along just fine at my house. Throd Nov 2013 #8
Haha! nt RiffRandell Nov 2013 #49
Alcohol isn't going away, for about the same reason pot isn't going away phantom power Nov 2013 #10
Faced with full legalization they might see a decline in sales. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #18
Any company that sells addictive poisons should probably be vilified more, not less. tridim Nov 2013 #12
well, smoking anything is bad for you, but you can always vape or eat to get around it... dionysus Nov 2013 #22
There's nothing like that cold crisp beer hitting your parched throat after some killer bong hits. JVS Nov 2013 #26
Water works too, dude. tridim Nov 2013 #28
Water just isn't the same. JVS Nov 2013 #30
In moderation. tridim Nov 2013 #32
BooHoo! Politicalboi Nov 2013 #31
Hang in there my brother, times are a changin! Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #34
+1,000,000 dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #75
Amen to that. JoeyT Nov 2013 #62
Mary Jane wins it, hands down. 99th_Monkey Nov 2013 #33
I'm gonna offer something a bit different Bennyboy Nov 2013 #35
Interesting. Avalux Nov 2013 #53
Forever.... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #58
Thanks for sharing. Avalux Nov 2013 #68
Don't You Find RobinA Nov 2013 #73
Not really.... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #74
In WA, the liquor control board thinks they have the jurisdiction to regulate medical marijuana. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #37
InADrunkenStupor people are very much more violent & out of control. Today' Ford video Exhibit A. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #38
Insider traders are giving old-fashioned ripoff artists a bad name BlueStreak Nov 2013 #39
Gee, I think elleng Nov 2013 #40
Those pictures are making me laugh for some reason. Arkana Nov 2013 #41
Where does InADrunkenStupor go to get its reputation back? nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #42
Stating facts does not equate to demonizing RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #45
One makes you piss, one doesn't n/t DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #46
BREAKING NEWS: Marijuana is totally ape-shit pissed at Alcohol right now kydo Nov 2013 #52
The Alcohol industry is one of the reasons why marijuana is not legal B Calm Nov 2013 #63
I know same with drug companies and drug enforcement like the dea and prisons kydo Nov 2013 #65
The irony is dizzying enough grahampuba Nov 2013 #54
Responsible Drinking is like Responsible Gun Ownership Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #57
Puh-leeze. KamaAina Nov 2013 #59
Alcohol is a far more dangerous and detrimental drug than pot. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #60
I've seen more people pipi_k Nov 2013 #72
And marijuana is just laughing at alcohol Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #76
It' a bit like this debate Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #77
Nice. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #78

JVS

(61,935 posts)
1. As someone who likes both, I'm sick of the self-righteous pantloads who attack booze thinking that..
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:18 PM
Nov 2013

it's going to help get Marijuana legalized and publicly accepted. It won't help and it's only going to make things easy for MADD and other neo-temperance groups.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
4. And while were on that. How the fuck did Salvia get banned in so many states? There ought to be...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:25 PM
Nov 2013

a rule that we NEVER say a bad thing about ANY drug because it only helps the enemy.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
6. i don't know. have you ever tried it? I saw my neighbor on it once and he was so fucked up,
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:31 PM
Nov 2013

it scared me off of trying it... doesn't it give you a short lived, extremely heavy trip, sort of like DMT?

JVS

(61,935 posts)
11. It's fantastic stuff. Only lasts a few minutes, but can literally knock you on your ass.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:40 PM
Nov 2013

And by knock you on your ass, I mean that it provides deep and meaningful insights into the universe and is extremely fun. I tried it when some friends had some that really wasn't working out for them. I went to their house, and took a couple of puffs on a hitter of it. As one person moved on the other side of the room I watched them and instead of it looking like they were moving past the background, it looked like the background was forming little bubbles when they bumped into it and then flowing around them where it reassembled itself. At this point I began laughing and thought that I'd better take a seat. Then for the next 2 or 3 minutes I was laughing uncontrollably, couldn't tell if I was sitting or standing, and holding on to the armrest of the sofa because it felt like there was a force sucking me into the dark side of the room. After the few minutes I was right as rain.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
16. the kid who i saw was all fucked up, walks up to me, eyes all kinds of screwy... "you too man?"
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:47 PM
Nov 2013

i'm like wtf? this guy is nuts.

when I saw him a half hour later and he was normal, he was tryingto explain what he saw... he described it as viewing the world as pages in a book, and as he would move around, his vision would update by flipping to the next page in the book.. as everything he saw was in pages... I was like damn... I've done shrooms, lsd, and mescaline, and never experienced anything like that!

JVS

(61,935 posts)
20. Quite a few good times. Some friends didn't get much effect. A couple friends didn't like it.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:50 PM
Nov 2013

But I always thought it was fun.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
79. I tried 30x extract and became part of a cobblestone road
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 07:39 PM
Nov 2013

I knew that I had been part of that road for decades and would be for more decades - shit here comes a car.

It only lasted a minute or so, but it can seem like time doesn't exist, and you've been here for a million years.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
14. Salvia is rather different than DMT
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:45 PM
Nov 2013

Essentially, Salvia is a dissociative with a heavily dysphoric streak to it. DMT is a psychedelic renowned for it's ability to produce life changing personal introspection.

They are very similar in terms of trip length and intensity, but their mechanism of action and practical effects couldn't be more different.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
19. thanks, i've not tried either. tried plenty of other hallucinogens, but not those...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:49 PM
Nov 2013

for some reason those two scare me. must be getting old...

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
25. Really!?!?!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:54 PM
Nov 2013


We both felt like there were others holding us down and basically telling us our existence was being erased and our world was crumbling around us and we just wanted to get away, the camera died before we actually fully came to our senses, neither one of us remember any of our behaivor that was recorded..by the way, thats a 2nd story window..

MagickMuffin

(15,938 posts)
43. Perfect example why people should take turns
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:17 PM
Nov 2013

At least when I have experienced it, we took turns. Perhaps that guy wouldn't have jumped from a two story window, if someone else would have been straight, to deal with the situation.

Hopefully that is a lesson they learned, or at least I certainly hope they did!



Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
44. Someone pointed out that all was well, until he dropped the lighter.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:20 PM
Nov 2013

Then it was if the gates of hades had opened.

MagickMuffin

(15,938 posts)
50. That's exactly why there should ALWAYS be a watcher!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:27 PM
Nov 2013

You never know what might happen during those 3-4 minutes. That guy could have seriously injured himself. I'm glad he didn't seem injured, however, that could have turned into an ugly mess.

MagickMuffin

(15,938 posts)
55. Could be … … …
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:39 PM
Nov 2013

I still stand by my claims that there should always be a watcher to make sure no one does anything stupid.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
56. ANY drug?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:41 PM
Nov 2013

Ummm, no there's a bunch of evil, vile man-made concoctions out there that should not exist and the dealers should be locked up for a very long time.

EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES!!! OPEN AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df0_1356669322&comments=1

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
9. The comparison is compelling and appropriate.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:35 PM
Nov 2013

Considering the argument for keeping cannabis illegal is because it's harmful, an evaluation of that harm in context of other widely used substances is appropriate.

I wouldn't be too worried about losing your beloved ethyl alcohol drug with flavoring.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
13. No, the comparison sucks, and the holier than thou act is lame shit.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:44 PM
Nov 2013

Booze and pot belong together like peanut butter and jelly.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
23. So I take it you are all for Drunk Driving..
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:53 PM
Nov 2013

Since you think that Mothers Against Drunk Driving are a neo-temperance group. Alchohol is known for causing much harm. I don't see how anyone could deny that..

JVS

(61,935 posts)
27. I've noticed that MADD doesn't ever seem to be mothers for giving people rides home from the bars.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:57 PM
Nov 2013

But they're always eager to cut the legal BAC. They're just a new version of WCTU.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
29. "Since you think that Mothers Against Drunk Driving are a neo-temperance group."
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:01 PM
Nov 2013

I'm not alone in that, btw. MADD's founder says it herself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Lightner

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
61. Already Has
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:58 PM
Nov 2013

CO & WA is just the beginning.

You can like both but of those two substances one is safer than the other.

Over at the stadium there's a billboard urging the NFL to lift the ban on players and weed. Sad when you're employer is more than happy to throw alcohol in your face but will toss you out for opting for the safer of the two.

I'll keep you posted on MADD after our law becomes a reality on 1/1/14.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
64. Despite your likes and dislikes, people don't end up getting in fights
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:21 PM
Nov 2013

and stabbed outside the bar on MJ. It is ALWAYS some drunks...

sendero

(28,552 posts)
69. I agree..
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:20 PM
Nov 2013

... while my toking days are over, I think the pro-marijuana message should be "we want to be like alcohol!. Taxed, regulated and legal."

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
7. i never understood why it affects so many people that way. if i'm drunk, i like to watch movies or
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:33 PM
Nov 2013

play video games. but so many people, put a couple of drinks in them, they'll get abusive or violent, start picking fights, or decide to drive 100mph and wrap their car around a tree. I don't get it. it's like for some people they become a totally different person...

JVS

(61,935 posts)
15. Because people who are planning on doing questionable activities know that if they down a couple...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:46 PM
Nov 2013

drinks that they can blame the liquor.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
21. it's wierd man, i've seen people drive like fucking maniacs... if i've had one drink and got in the
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:52 PM
Nov 2013

car, i'm driving the speed limit and paying attention to everything so nothing bad happens, not hauling ass like a fool down the road.
some people change completely when drunk, I never could understand it...

Wounded Bear

(58,651 posts)
36. IMHO, most people who 'change' when they drink...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:16 PM
Nov 2013

are suppressing something when they're sober. YMMV.

MagickMuffin

(15,938 posts)
47. From my understanding some can handle the situation
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:25 PM
Nov 2013

others can't. I believe it's connected to how we are wired. Some people are happy go lucky drunks, others become violent, or destructive.

Then there are those who once they start drinking cannot stop.

I drank more as a kid and as a social thing. Then I quit, just because I didn't like losing control of my facilities. But I do to smoke, eat the Cannabis

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
66. i used to blaze it down in college, but these days i'm a one hit wonder... i kinda like it better
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:56 PM
Nov 2013

that way. my supplies last a looooooong time

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
67. I think it depends on personality.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:08 PM
Nov 2013

I really wish I could be a mellow, friendly, drunk, but something about it makes me feel invincible and act really obnoxious.

I have a super quick metabolism, so it doesn't take much for me to go over the edge and wake up to a lot of regrets. So I don't drink socially.

That's why I'm especially excited about pot legalization because it finally presents an alternative to those of us who can't handle alcohol.



annabanana

(52,791 posts)
70. There are many different ways it affects people
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:11 PM
Nov 2013

According to Thomas Nash in 1592, there were eight classes of Elizabethan Drunkards

THE EIGHT KINDES OF DRUNKENNES
The first is ape drunke; and he leapes, and singes, and hollowes, and danceth for the heavens;

The second is lion drunke; and he flings the pots about the house, calls his hostesse whore, breakes the glasse windowes with his dagger, and is apt to quarrell with anie man that speaks to him;

The third is swine drunke; heavie, lumpish, and sleepie, and cries for a little more drinke, and a fewe more cloathes;

The fourth is sheepe drunk; wise in his conceipt, when he cannot bring foorth a right word;

The fifth is mawdlen drunke; when a fellowe will weepe for kindnes in the midst of ale, and kisse you, saying, “By God, captaine, I love thee. Goe thy wayes; thou dost not thinke so often of me as I doo thee; I would (if it pleased God) I could not love thee as well as I doo;” and then he puts his finger in his eye, and cryes;

The sixt is Martin drunke; when a man is drunke, and drinkes himselfe sober ere he stirre;

The seventh is goate drunke; when, in his drunkennes, he hath no minde but on lecherie;

The eighth is fox drunke—when he is craftie drunke, as manie of the Dutchmen bee, that will never bargaine but when they are drunke.


So there you go....

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
10. Alcohol isn't going away, for about the same reason pot isn't going away
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:36 PM
Nov 2013

Humans have been making ethanol for thousands of years. We've also been growing pot for thousands of years. For better or worse (and plenty of data suggests "better&quot , we've been co-evolving with these drugs, both physically and culturally, for a long time now.

The alcohol industry is in no danger from pot.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
18. Faced with full legalization they might see a decline in sales.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:48 PM
Nov 2013

The big worry is that people will re-evaluate regulations for alcohol which could see alcohol banned at sporting events and other places where the consumption of alcohol could lead to death or injury.

Problems with alcohol are growing..

Drunken brawls between fans is seemingly a more common occurrence with people literally getting murdered going out to the ball game.

Events like halloween in the castro get cancelled because of drunken mobs. Maybe they should ban the drunks and not the event.

Cities like San Francisco pay millions treating chronically drunk people who end up in the ER.

The medical costs alone will force booze under the microscope, more regulation and taxation.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
12. Any company that sells addictive poisons should probably be vilified more, not less.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:41 PM
Nov 2013

I agree with the "Alcohol lobbyists" that it is misleading to compare cannabis to alcohol, because one is completely non-toxic and the other is a deadly poison.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
26. There's nothing like that cold crisp beer hitting your parched throat after some killer bong hits.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:54 PM
Nov 2013

tridim

(45,358 posts)
28. Water works too, dude.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:01 PM
Nov 2013

We get it, you like to get fucked up more than the rest of us. Not sure why you think that is appropriate to post on DU.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
31. BooHoo!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:03 PM
Nov 2013

How many fucking years have I heard the perils of pot. And how many good jobs did I miss out because I smoke pot, but the alcoholic who applies only has to worry about not being drunk when going to an interview and drug test. I truly hope legal MJ puts a BIG dent in alcohol. It's about time.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
34. Hang in there my brother, times are a changin!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:11 PM
Nov 2013

One day we'll live free and no longer in fear.

Fear of losing jobs, fear of being raided, your dogs shot, your children kidnapped by the state.

Your land stolen, and maybe even your life lost. Fear no more, the times are a changing.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
62. Amen to that.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:07 PM
Nov 2013

The jobs I work drug test regularly, so no pot. But there are plenty of people that are drunk when they get to work, drunk the better part of the day, nasty as fuck to everyone for the last four or five hours, and start drinking again on the way home. They literally overfill the lot of the nearest gas station piling in to buy enough beer to get them home. (Or the nearest package store for enough liquor. I once knew a guy that drank over half a fifth of Jack Daniels driving home every day on an 1 1/2 hour drive.)

But no pot! Cause you know, the person that smoked a joint last week at home long before the job started might be reckless on the job or endanger people around them.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
35. I'm gonna offer something a bit different
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:14 PM
Nov 2013

I smoke weed all day everyday, morning to night. Edibles, tinctures, vapes, you name it.

I also love to drink and always have. Now I restrict my drinking to craft brews only due to some bad Mojo I have collected through vodka.

One thing I notice on cannabis, especially with edibles, is that I can drink way more without being "drunk". really it helps a lot (So does meth, ecstasy and coke for that matter) Now that doesn't mean if you are stinking drunk and someone gives you an edible that you will sober up... but if do it before you start you can drink a lot more than if you didn't.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
53. Interesting.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:31 PM
Nov 2013

From past experience, I never liked to drink with weed. The mix wasn't a good thing for me. I much prefer to enjoy each by itself.

I'm curious how long you've been smoking every day all day, and how it impacts your daily living.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
58. Forever....
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:50 PM
Nov 2013

14 perhaps? 58 now. every aspect of cannabis I have been part of. I've grown large and small (personal only) sold it in various methods and venues including being a member of CA dispensaries (which are Co-Ops)...., I've been busted, had the cops let me go, all of it. There is no cannabis experience you can have that I have not had including caregiving for patients who use cannabis as part of their everyday.

I mostly vape now, I have a couple of portables and a couple of table top models. But in the morning, when I get up, I love the tactile feeling of the joint. I love passing the joint the communal feeling you get from that.



And outside of it's criminality,( A home invasion robbery over pot and a couple of friends murdered over pot) it has never affected me much that way. I've worked, rose up the ranks, managed companies, owned companies, been a stellar salesperson, drove a car and all that for years without anything happening. I tell people that every bad decisions I've ever made I made straight or drunk and the only bad decision I've made when High was to see KISS.... Without the makeup.......

I did once experience a period where too much, in an edible, would really give me anxiety, but that was not long after my whole world started to crash down on me, and now a high dose does not affect me like that. I also created a method for edibles that is now a standard in measuring dosage among the industry (at least a good part of it) because of the anxiety thing, one of anything should not flip you out....

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
68. Thanks for sharing.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:12 PM
Nov 2013

You've got quite a story there. Do you mind me asking about your physical health? I fully agree with legalization, and I've had many conversations about weed with my kids. The problem is that it's illegal and we live in Texas, so I've tried to be honest with them about my views, but at the same time, make sure they understand the consequences of using it.

RobinA

(9,891 posts)
73. Don't You Find
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:08 AM
Nov 2013

that you grow immune to it when you use that heavily? Back in the day I always felt that more than once a day ended up to be kind of a waste when it came to daily use.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
74. Not really....
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:30 AM
Nov 2013

I am not a guy who puffs all day long, I get high and then get high a few hours later rather than puffing constantly. True you never do get the same high as your morning buzz later in the day, but that is nothing really. I don't smoke much in the evenings when i am home though. When out that is another thing altogether.... I do edibles for music events, the high is deeper and really goes well with the music.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
37. In WA, the liquor control board thinks they have the jurisdiction to regulate medical marijuana.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:20 PM
Nov 2013

And our traitor legislators will probably allow it to happen. One of the promises made before I502 was passed was that it would have nothing to do with medical marijuana. There is already a law in WA that regulates medical marijuana but because the recreational industry wants to take market share away from the medical industry and because legislators want the tax money that would come with forcing patients to get their medicine from a recreational shop I502 may demolish the medical marijuana industry here in WA. One thing they will never stop though no matter how hard they try is home grows. The federal government hasn't been able to stop home grows. I don't know why the state thinks they will be any more successful.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
45. Stating facts does not equate to demonizing
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:21 PM
Nov 2013

I love beer, but the alcohol lobbyists can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned. Alcohol is far more dangerous than pot.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
52. BREAKING NEWS: Marijuana is totally ape-shit pissed at Alcohol right now
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:31 PM
Nov 2013

Marijuana says Alcohol thinks its all privileged just because its legal and often looks down on pot.

Alcohol's retort was a mumbled ramble which was later transcribed as "Ah shut the fuck up weed before I stomp on your head."

The interview was cut short because Alcohol became ill and threw up before passing out on the floor.

After a quick run to the 7/11 for Doritos and pie Marijuana had this to say about Alcohol, "Dude, I got food. Want some? Hey why is Alcohol on the floor. Eh whatever I'm tired think I will go eat this food and watch TV."

More once Alcohol wakes up .....


 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
63. The Alcohol industry is one of the reasons why marijuana is not legal
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:18 PM
Nov 2013

for the majority of people in the US!

kydo

(2,679 posts)
65. I know same with drug companies and drug enforcement like the dea and prisons
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:31 PM
Nov 2013

they all lose money if it is legal. And it was made illegal because of race. Should never have been illegal in the first place. The first Bush owes is life to hemp, his parachute was made from the stuff. I'm for legalization big time have been since 1980.

grahampuba

(169 posts)
54. The irony is dizzying enough
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:32 PM
Nov 2013

well..
The alcohol industry, after nearly a century of demonizing, campaigning against, funding a war against, spreading misinformation and downright lies about the effects of cannabis,
does not like how marijuana advocates are portraying them.

just let that sink in for a second.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
57. Responsible Drinking is like Responsible Gun Ownership
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:44 PM
Nov 2013

Like most gun owners are responsible, most drinkers are responsible and not a problem.

However, there are enough irresponsible drinkers that there is a huge societal burden and cost from alcoholics, drunk drivers, abusive parents, lost productivity, greater health care costs due to chronic diseases, greater health care costs due to 'accidents', and a great deal of misery. Similar to the huge societal burden and costs generated by irresponsible gun owners.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. Alcohol is a far more dangerous and detrimental drug than pot.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:53 PM
Nov 2013

However, back in the days when I did one, I usually did the other at the same time.

It made for a nice combo.

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