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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI figured it out. The White privilege meme.
It's the story of original sin. We are all sinners by being children of Adam and Eve.
We can't redeme ourselves. We must be aware we are sinners and ask Jesus to forgive us. That's our only salvation.
Now just replace sin with priviledge!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)yes INDEED
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)we're so self loathing then it came to me. They bought the"we are all sinners" meme hook line and sinker
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)If you acknowledge it and compensate for it.
Screaming misandry and making ridiculous statements that make you the victim do.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)That should be obvious yet you continue to push the meme as if what you say is reality or something.
I swear it as thick headed as a tea bagger gets. There is nothing to what you say just words meaning nothing.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Odd that despite all your best efforts to declare yourself a good guy, you exude all the characteristics of the bad guy we've been talking about.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)that resides only in your imagination.
No one needs your critique on their goodness or lack thereof . It is the height of conceit to set yourself up as the one to decide that.
I don't put any stock in your opinion of me.
What is appalling though is that you can't see how so like fundies your are.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I surrender to your superior intellect and logic. Yep, just like fundies and teabaggers! I mean, one would think a teabagger would be the one to react poorly to a discussion of white privilege and go on rants filled with poor grammar and misspellings, and topped off with a faulty logical comparison to boot!
Yep, you figured us out!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)unless they feel guilty and/or outraged. They are also pissed that everyone else does not feel guilty and/or outraged. I've learned to ignore people like them.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's not a moral dimension. It's a simple observation that white people don't have to put up with stuff that black people do.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's the flip side of racism. If one group has it harder due to racism, then another group has it easier.
http://www.timwise.org/f-a-q-s/
White privilege refers to any advantage, opportunity, benefit, head start, or general protection from negative societal mistreatment, which persons deemed white will typically enjoy, but which others will generally not enjoy. These benefits can be material (such as greater opportunity in the labor market, or greater net worth, due to a history in which whites had the ability to accumulate wealth to a greater extent than persons of color), social (such as presumptions of competence, creditworthiness, law-abidingness, intelligence, etc.) or psychological (such as not having to worry about triggering negative stereotypes, rarely having to feel out of place, not having to worry about racial profiling, etc.).
Operationally, white privilege is simply the flipside of discrimination against people of color. The concept is rooted in the common-sense observation that there can be no down without an up, so that if people of color are the targets of discrimination, in housing, employment, the justice system, or elsewhere, then whites, by definition, are being elevated above those persons of color. Whites are receiving a benefit, vis-a-vis those persons of color: more opportunity because those persons of color are receiving less. Although I believe all persons are harmed in the long run by racism and racial inequity and thus, white privilege comes at an immense social cost it still exists as a daily reality throughout the social, political and economic structure of the United States.
The fact that white privilege exists and that all whites have access to various aspects of it, does not, however, mean that all whites are wealthy, or that in competitions for jobs and other opportunities, whites will always win. The fact of general advantage doesnt require unanimity of outcomes favoring whites. In certain situations, other factors will effect the distribution of opportunities: among these, socioeconomic status, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religious identity, age, or physical disability. There are, after all, also such things as class privilege, male privilege, straight privilege, Christian privilege, and able-bodied privilege. And these other forms of privilege exist and generally provide greater opportunity to their respective group members even though there are rich people who lead miserable lives despite their money, and there are men, heterosexuals, Christians, and able bodied folks who are poor. On balance, it pays to be a member of any of those dominant groups. And the same is true with whiteness.
a kennedy
(29,647 posts)Daily effects of white privilege by Peggy McIntosh
I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html#daily
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)It's actually rather arrogant also, it's projection and assuaging of guilt by the one who's feels guilty or is made to feel guilty. How much do "whites" actually make up the rest of the world, i.e. Asia? Assuming whites are or have the privilege in entirety is veiled conceit.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)White Males are the default condition in our society - we get 100s of benefits some small and some large from that. That's not to say they are overwhelming benefits as they might have been in slavery days or in the days before civil rights - things are more equal now than they used to be. But we still benefit socially and economically from being White.
Bryant
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Maybe you should lie down for a bit.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)some people have a guilt hang up, and think others should to, while in other cases people just have strange philosophies and ideas. It is like anything else, it can be rejected or accepted, it all depends on what you think as an individual, that is the most important thing.
WatermelonRat
(340 posts)Unfortunately, it's been run into the ground by people using it as a general insult and snarl word. Using the phrase these days is more likely to harden attitudes than spread understanding.