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AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:17 PM Nov 2013

Police Taze Dad Trying to Save Son While Burning in a House Fire, Twice After He Was Handcuffed.

The City Administrator for the river town of Louisiana, Mississipi said that a house fire started in an electrical outlet while a 3-year old boy's parents had fallen asleep. By the time they awoke, smoke and flames prevented them from reaching their son whose bedroom was at the front of the house. They fled through the back and the father tried to re-enter the home from the front.

A firefighter also tried to save the toddler, but the house was too hot for him to enter.

While the child was burning and the father, age 31, was trying to get back into the house, one of the cops zapped him with a Taser. His mother saw them zap her son three times, twice after they put handcuffs on him. The last time was after they put handcuffs on him and had him in the back of one of their squad cars.

What's response from the City Administrator?

"City Administrator Bob Jenne called the police response a 'judgment call.' Jenne said Thursday that he is waiting to review a police report from the fire."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Police-stun-stepdad-trying-to-save-son-from-fire-4964175.php

They didn't discipline the cop in any way. They didn't even put him on paid leave.
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Police Taze Dad Trying to Save Son While Burning in a House Fire, Twice After He Was Handcuffed. (Original Post) AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 OP
I see it as my right to risk my life trying to save my child. Barack_America Nov 2013 #1
Is it your right Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #3
They didn't go in after the boy... Barack_America Nov 2013 #5
Regardless Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #6
I'm sitting here now, with my son safe in his bed, saying that I would do it. Barack_America Nov 2013 #8
Perhaps Irrantional, but very Biological Savannahmann Nov 2013 #10
Tasing the man after he was in handcuffs is the definition of abuse, and torture. Th1onein Nov 2013 #12
Firemen were trying to put the fire out Beaverhausen Nov 2013 #15
My comment was in response to the reply Savannahmann Nov 2013 #16
The police have no duty to protect you... KansDem Nov 2013 #19
Is that what the father was doing when he was sitting in the back of the squad car, in handcuffs? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #13
the firefighters probably knew he had no chance of making it out alive JI7 Nov 2013 #7
Tragic as this story is Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #2
Since his name isn't Houdini, is there any way that the cop could think that the father could escape AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #14
awful Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #4
I can understand preventing him from going in. kcr Nov 2013 #9
As if we expect anything else from the Police Savannahmann Nov 2013 #11
Everyone Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #17
Kudos for having the integrity to post this. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #18

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
1. I see it as my right to risk my life trying to save my child.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:23 PM
Nov 2013

Easier to die that way than to live with the knowledge I couldn't help him.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
5. They didn't go in after the boy...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:30 PM
Nov 2013

...having determined it was too dangerous. Why would they have any obligation to go in after me?

Cirque du So-What

(25,927 posts)
6. Regardless
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:42 PM
Nov 2013

Police/fire/EMS are not going to stand idly by when someone is attempting to gain entry to a house on fire, which is undoubtedly an irrational act.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
8. I'm sitting here now, with my son safe in his bed, saying that I would do it.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:53 PM
Nov 2013

Am I being irrational?

We celebrate soldiers who march into certain death for country, but we taze parents who try to do the same for their kids?

Tell me how that makes sense.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
10. Perhaps Irrantional, but very Biological
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:00 PM
Nov 2013

How many times have we read about an animal that died trying to save it's offspring? How many times have we heard about a man or woman who died trying to save their children? Every year, someone gets lost, kidnapped, or disappears and search parties fan out to try and find them, often risking life and limb in the effort.

To paraphrase an old saying. There is no greater love than a parent who dies trying to protect a child.

The Police/Fire/EMS were standing around idly as the child died in the fire. They felt unable to help. The man may have died, and may not have. Tasing the man after he was in handcuffs is the definition of abuse, and torture.

Isn't this the part where you are supposed to post the picture of the cop stealing the milk from the family in Watertown?

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
15. Firemen were trying to put the fire out
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 02:16 AM
Nov 2013

One did try to enter the home but it was just too dangerous. They were not standing idly by.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
16. My comment was in response to the reply
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 02:54 AM
Nov 2013

In which the poster said that if he had gone into the house, the firemen/police/ems would be unable to stand idly by. Thus trying to paint the events as self protection for those same police/firefighters/ems. In reality, once the man was in handcuffs, and they continued to use the taser, they were torturing the man. That is the point that I think we're missing.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
19. The police have no duty to protect you...
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 01:59 PM
Nov 2013
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.

For hours on the night of June 22, 1999, Jessica Gonzales tried to get the Castle Rock police to find and arrest her estranged husband, Simon Gonzales, who was under a court order to stay 100 yards away from the house. He had taken the children, ages 7, 9 and 10, as they played outside, and he later called his wife to tell her that he had the girls at an amusement park in Denver.

Ms. Gonzales conveyed the information to the police, but they failed to act before Mr. Gonzales arrived at the police station hours later, firing a gun, with the bodies of the girls in the back of his truck. The police killed him at the scene.

--more--
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0


So why would they stop the father from trying to rescue his son?
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
13. Is that what the father was doing when he was sitting in the back of the squad car, in handcuffs?
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 01:21 AM
Nov 2013

Your it's-ok-to-taze-the-father-because-he-was-endagering-the-lives-of-police-and/or-firefighters logic doesn't hold up.

Cirque du So-What

(25,927 posts)
2. Tragic as this story is
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:26 PM
Nov 2013

it could have been worse if the father had gained access to a part of the house that was too hot for a firefighter in turn-out gear. Tasering him may seem excessive, but his state of mind required immediate action.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
14. Since his name isn't Houdini, is there any way that the cop could think that the father could escape
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 01:22 AM
Nov 2013

from handcuffs after being placed in the squad car?

kcr

(15,315 posts)
9. I can understand preventing him from going in.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:55 PM
Nov 2013

But the tazering, especially after he was handcuffed. That is just wrong. And then the arrest and charges. Just cruel and heartless.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
11. As if we expect anything else from the Police
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:02 PM
Nov 2013

Modern police are brutality incarnate. Modern police have become the true enemy of society. They lie, cheat, and are protected by the system. When I am on a jury, the last person I believe in the courtroom, is the cop.

Cirque du So-What

(25,927 posts)
17. Everyone
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 06:28 AM
Nov 2013

Somehow, I missed the part where he was tased after being placed in the back of the police car. I saw 'handcuffs' and that was it. That was undoubtedly abuse on the part of the cop, and he deserves at least to be fired. Sorry for being so obtuse, but that one detail escaped me earlier.

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