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Extended Benefits Didn't Keep Unemployed From Taking Jobs: Study http://huff.to/1iSizg4
doc03
(35,295 posts)examples of cases where it did. I wouldn't expect anyone here to beleive it though.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)but are they the rule?
doc03
(35,295 posts)give myself as an example I received around $650 a week on unemployment and supplemental unemployment
from my employer. I probably could have found a minimum wage job but I would have cut my income in half.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I was offered 8 hours a week, 2 hours a day - 4 days a week at $1.32 an hour. Bus fair one-way was $3.
I got dropped from voc-rehab for refusing.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Damn, my keyboard is working against me today
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Poster and all his friends are just languishing on unemployment benefits..which I don't believe either...
If he is making $650 per week his pay must have been a thousand or more per week...and now he thinks $650 is just dandy??? UNLIKELY
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I think what was offered to me was pretty fucking insultingly inadequate.
But, I do understand that "come downs" are come downs, and that all come downs create issues of adjustment.
The OP may not consider me, a PhD with 20+ years of college teaching as valuable or worthy compared to his/herself. But I do understand the pain of readjustment. Big or small it is painful.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Adjunct jobs are salaried, around here the gross is about $2k per semester which is just shy of $5 PER hour, considering prep, office hours, and in-class obligations.
But adjunct positions aren't usually available to persons who've suffered 'nervous breakdowns'. References and collegues quickly become ghosts.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)of money when you were employed.
Secondly...NOT cutting your income in half is not malingering...it is a SMART business decision..
Third....someone with your talent (I say this because you must have made a TON of money when employed) should NOT look for minimum wage jobs...you will just steal those jobs from people less talented.
doc03
(35,295 posts)I would be sort of stupid to take such a job wouldn't I when I was getting more than double that on un-employment. I don't know how other states are but in Ohio you are not be required to take such a job. I looked up my stubs I was getting $372 from UE and $250 from SUB total $622 a week. I worked in a steel mill and made around $1200 a week. You are required to look for suitable work and there just wasn't any other work paying that kind of money around here. I drew unemployment for a year then retired at 62. I could have received unemployment for another year and received more pension from the company when I retired. I just didn't feel honest saying I was looking for employment when I had no intentions of working.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)That's just not true.
There are VERY FEW jobs to be had, let alone jobs that pay enough to support oneself.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)It is nothing short of BRUTAL out there.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)and such.
It isn't realistic to apply for entry-jobs for which you are overqualified and aren't going to get hired at all.
When you're past 50, you are virtually aged out of the workforce anyway, as I have found out.
We have a real problem, a crisis actually, of very few jobs being created in an attempt by the powers that be to destroy living standards in the United States.
doc03
(35,295 posts)time ago how hard it is to get a job. It is hard to even get an entry level job
such as Walmart because we were in a union. Walmart won't take a chance
hiring someone that might try and start a union. Then the other more suitable jobs you can't get because they figure if the mill recalls you you will quit.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)It would be nice if you understood the rules about a job search.
"Suitable" employment doesn't mean just ANYTHING that is out there.
haele
(12,640 posts)Not extended benefits. Or whether or not there is unemployment available.
There are three "nasty secrets" about how most job applicants get through that final evaluation to be hired.
The first is to have a good relationship with your potential employer - either through a really great first impression where your previous work is such that your employer can relate to or through common networks (schools, acquaintances, organizations), if you don't already have a relationship with the person you want to employ you. I have seen so many qualified people not considered because when the differences between resumes are not significant, the future employer will always go with the resume they can relate to.
The second to already be gainfully employed at a good job - at the very lower end, having just been informed about a layoff and winding down your current employment.
If you don't have the luxury of secret number 1, and have been unemployed in your field of expertise for more than two months and have been using that time to look for work but haven't found anything, people begin to wonder if there's something wrong with you.
And if you have been working temp or part-time at a job that would be considered "lesser", they wonder even more.
As an example - a computer engineer who has been supplementing the tenth to fourteenth month of his or her unemployment working part-time as a Best Buy Geek Squad member is going to have problems explaining that this was just a hobby while he was out looking. And if s/he had been working at Micky D's or day labor, there would be even more questions.
Rule of thumb when unemployed. Whatever job you take is the level you will start your next employment cycle from.
That means, the hypothetical computer engineer who had been working for 8 years at a position making $85K a year gets laid off and took that $10 an hour job at Best Buy hawking computers or installing stereo systems, there is an 80% probability that the only job offers that s/he will be considered for are based on that current job at Best Buy, no matter the job experience, talents or skills that engineer has or what other positions there are to apply for. Even if s/he applied for the very same type of job that had been worked prior to the layoff. That Best Buy job, the last job on the resume, now defines the applicant.
From experience in a technical field, it looks far better if s/he had been using that time to get additional certification or training to keep the skills up to day, but a 40 year old with a family is not going to be able to pay the bills and go to school, because frankly, there are very few programs for older working adults that also pay for them to live while going to school, or give them free quality training and a supplement so they can concentrate on their training, not on keeping a roof over the head and other day-to-days.
The third is the ability to go to any job interview on the potential employer's schedule, and to be able to start the next day if accepted. You need to have an open schedule, and a the time to prepare for an interview or to begin new work with little notice.
Which means that searching for work is a full-time job in itself. If you are getting ready to start your shift at that crappy $9 an hour retail or restaurant service job you took because you didn't want to seem to be a lazy moocher, and you get an hour's notice for an interview for a $65K a year job you might be able to start in a month if picked, you're either:
a) losing the crappy job by screwing your current employer because you bugged out of your shift for a job interview that might not pan out, or
b) potentially screwing yourself out of a job that can get you back on your feet if you can't make that interview. School can be an excuse, because most employers are somewhat sympathetic to a person trying to make themselves better, but asking to reschedule an interview because of you were too proud to take unemployment and need your crap job at Best Buy or Arco?
Unemployment was implemented as a form of safety net by which someone could take the time to look for a meaningful job that matches their qualifications and experience to replace the one they lost and not fall into the trap of just taking any job just to have a job. As an old fart, I remember that low wage jobs are supposed to be for young people starting out, who could live with their parents or room-mates, not for 40 or 50 year olds who were laid off through little fault of their own.
Ultimately, the problem is not "unemployment" or lots of lazy people gaming the system, it is the lack of meaningful jobs that pay comparable wages to lost jobs. The primary factor to the unemployment numbers is the number of like jobs available compared to the number of qualified people looking for those jobs.
Haele
bobalew
(321 posts)"Situational" Map of being well skilled & unemployed , but older...