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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:21 PM Nov 2013

Why, to me, what CBS did with its conservative audience pandering big lie is really huge news.

It reaffirms that which most of us here probably realized for a long time - certainly since the (election*) of Dubya the first time. The fix is in.....nothing that is reported on television news or in print can be trusted due to manipulation by the corporate right wing owners to distort reality. It is the result of the media consolidation, the demise of the fairness doctrine, and an outcome of the Citizens United ruling.

We've all observed it for years from the stacking of "news" programs by right wingers (today, I noticed on NPR's Diane Rehm show, it pretty much was Fox, Bloomberg - often Politico - but never, every anything even remotely balancing from the left.)

Sadly, TV and print news is how most of America gets its news. This is a monstrous problem...the right wing echo chamber is now all-encompassing and only those of us who know enough to seek alternate news sources stand a chance at the truth.

All the lines have been crossed, and trust is now lost. And I don't see a way for them to get it back.

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Why, to me, what CBS did with its conservative audience pandering big lie is really huge news. (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 OP
Network was supposed to be a dark comedy/satire NightWatcher Nov 2013 #1
Satire of what actually happens, which is why it's funny. (Or not). nt bananas Nov 2013 #41
I think Glenn Beck used Howard Beale as his role model. n/t DFW Nov 2013 #60
I finally got disgusted enough to turn them off in 2004 Warpy Nov 2013 #2
when 60 minutes is in on 'the fix' our media is gone. spanone Nov 2013 #3
exactly. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #4
mike wallace would have torn a chris christie to pieces.... spanone Nov 2013 #5
how many times have I warned about the "liberally-biased media" zbdent Nov 2013 #8
many of those original 60 minutes reporters are dead JI7 Nov 2013 #12
...along with the integrity of the program. spanone Nov 2013 #13
Fairness Doctrine FirstLight Nov 2013 #6
Textbook Propaganda 101 Blue Owl Nov 2013 #7
I fully agree k and r gopiscrap Nov 2013 #9
Shocking: Katie Cuoric left CBS, and it continues its decline. SDjack Nov 2013 #10
CHRIS CHRISTIE!!!!!! moondust Nov 2013 #11
I can't even look at SoapBox Nov 2013 #20
We haven't seen such media cheerleading for a political figure since Dubya Bush after 911. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #38
Correction Oilwellian Nov 2013 #44
Well, right. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #47
Overexposing that loud-mouthed asshat is more likely to harm than help his candidacy. winter is coming Nov 2013 #50
When war is the objective, loudmouth international diplomacy becomes an asset. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #56
They don't even report history accurately Generic Brad Nov 2013 #14
true dat grasswire Nov 2013 #15
CBS has zero integrity. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #39
So many catapults for so much propaganda JEB Nov 2013 #16
I just now finished watching three episodes of "The Newsroom". canoeist52 Nov 2013 #17
Kind of like the show. Do NOT like the British lead though - too contrived. VPStoltz Nov 2013 #19
This years episodes or the first season? nt arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #46
First season, so far. canoeist52 Nov 2013 #52
There is something that happens in the second season that has very strong parallels to Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #62
The ironic - or rather sickening - thing is... VPStoltz Nov 2013 #18
Courage negated by fear of loss of...what? money? or just fear of bruised egos by narcissists? NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #21
We need to consider the possibility of something worse. canoeist52 Nov 2013 #24
I've actually pondered that possibility. Problem is, when huge money and greed is involved, NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #25
+1 SoapBox Nov 2013 #22
The media acts like those people in offices/schools/organizations who Chathamization Nov 2013 #30
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 mc51tc Nov 2013 #23
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #34
Clinton was a key enabler in many areas. snot Nov 2013 #36
Thanks for posting this! I was reading a few posts arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #48
FYI, The Fainess Doctrine... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #61
So one got the ball rolling and the other let the arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #73
My trust was lost long before this incident.. can't exactly remember when. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #26
CBS had Sharyl Atkinson giving the teabaggers woodies all year with her "investigative" TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #27
now they turned her loose on the ACA website - she is a shameless panderer for the right wing. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #28
Yep--not even Fox is matching the negative anecdotal stories CBS is churning out lately on ACA. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #29
Now that you've awakened..... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #31
++ ..nt dougolat Nov 2013 #55
It's also an example of excessive concentration in other ways... JHB Nov 2013 #32
And who is "Editor at Large" for "Threshold Additions? KoKo Nov 2013 #43
Yes, and it must be nice to be able to dole out Wingnut Wefare... JHB Nov 2013 #49
@BillMoyersHQ: "Confidence in the media as a check on abuses of power is collapsing." Hissyspit Nov 2013 #33
That's a good thing. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #40
Yet understandable ... Scuba Nov 2013 #35
Hey, that's why they did away with the fairness doctrine. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #37
Our sorry-ass media has MISSED "the story" for decades. SoCalDem Nov 2013 #42
Excellent post malaise Nov 2013 #45
Why Diane Rheem always has a voice from the left hootinholler Nov 2013 #51
what is scary is that no one vetted this guy. not simon & shuster (publisher) or 60 minutes spanone Nov 2013 #53
Bulworth said it in '98. valerief Nov 2013 #54
+1 progressoid Nov 2013 #57
Mainstream Media Has Been Mostly A Disgrace For Years colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #58
I feel like I'm biting the hand that feeds me libodem Nov 2013 #59
Well said! How to get truth out to the RW media fed sheeple?????? hue Nov 2013 #63
And THAT Is Why TYT Is... The Largest Online News Show Network In The World WillyT Nov 2013 #64
As far as News grandpamike1 Nov 2013 #65
This is a great thread with many good points. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #66
thanks...I am pretty humbled by the attention it is getting - just had to air out my frustrations NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #69
I believe you did a great job just calling it like you see it. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #70
thanks...what I feel in my heart is often more eloquent than my ability to put it into words.... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #71
But you might make a great community activist. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #72
Solution: Make News Media Tax Exempt like Religion ZX86 Nov 2013 #67
The 4th estate has been "in the bag" for the rightwing filthy rich corporatists since 1980. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #68

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
2. I finally got disgusted enough to turn them off in 2004
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:28 PM
Nov 2013

and can't think of a reason in the world to turn that confection of infotainment and disinformation and lying by omission back on.

The only ones worth watching are Jon Stewart and rarely Rachel Maddow.

spanone

(135,819 posts)
5. mike wallace would have torn a chris christie to pieces....
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:36 PM
Nov 2013

exposed a darrell issa

shown what an asshole eric cantor is.....

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
8. how many times have I warned about the "liberally-biased media"
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:09 PM
Nov 2013

making sure that Repugs get a resurrection like nobody ever could imagine ...

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
6. Fairness Doctrine
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:41 PM
Nov 2013

when that was repealed in the 80's...THAT was the end of REAL media as we believe it should be.

ETA: and we have Regan to thank for that one...

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
10. Shocking: Katie Cuoric left CBS, and it continues its decline.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:23 PM
Nov 2013

CBS's Benghazi strategy is driving away DEMs and GOPpers. The apology left a lot of Repugs looking like naked asses.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
11. CHRIS CHRISTIE!!!!!!
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:24 PM
Nov 2013

Sunday news shows this week:

ABC's "This Week" — Gov. Chris Christie, R-N.J.; Gov. Rick Perry, R-Texas.

___

NBC's "Meet the Press" — Christie; Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and Bob Corker, R-Tenn.; Rep. Donna Edwards, D-Md.

___

CBS' "Face the Nation" — Christie; Leon Panetta, former defense secretary and CIA director.

___

CNN's "State of the Union" — Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; former Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan.

___

"Fox News Sunday" — Christie.


Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
38. We haven't seen such media cheerleading for a political figure since Dubya Bush after 911.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:54 AM
Nov 2013

It is very clear that Christie is the media choice for president in 2016.

Democracy? I don't think so.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
44. Correction
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:32 AM
Nov 2013

He's not the media choice, he's the Wall Street choice, because it is they who control the media.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
50. Overexposing that loud-mouthed asshat is more likely to harm than help his candidacy.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:26 AM
Nov 2013

Can you imagine his idea of international diplomacy?

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
14. They don't even report history accurately
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:38 PM
Nov 2013

Dan Rather's reporting during the Kennedy assassination was ingrained in the nation's consciousness and was feather in CBS's cap at the time. But since they forced him out after he was set up by the Bush cabal, CBS has chosen to ignore his place in history entirely.

Really, CBS's pettiness towards Dan Rather and this recent 60 Minutes lie shows they have integrity similar to FOX.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. true dat
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:51 PM
Nov 2013

Although why anyone expected competency and objectivity after the Rather incident is surprising.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
17. I just now finished watching three episodes of "The Newsroom".
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:19 AM
Nov 2013

It explains the why of everything you just wrote -right down to the Koch's ownership of the news. Thanks for a timely post.

Netflix has it on cd's only unfortunately.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
62. There is something that happens in the second season that has very strong parallels to
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:09 PM
Nov 2013

the false Benghazi story. However, it's on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

VPStoltz

(1,295 posts)
18. The ironic - or rather sickening - thing is...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:20 AM
Nov 2013

a report discussed on NPR about a month ago revealed that most "liberal" journalist won't report the TRUTH because they are unwilling to take the Reich Wing barrage of hate they will have to endure.
That and their employers not so tacitly make it clear that the news is business and business is in the business of making $.
There is no such thing as the "liberal" media.
Just another Reeper talking point.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
21. Courage negated by fear of loss of...what? money? or just fear of bruised egos by narcissists?
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:23 AM
Nov 2013

No matter what....they are not serving the public well - at all - in the least.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
24. We need to consider the possibility of something worse.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:35 AM
Nov 2013

"The Newroom" episode actually suggested death threats.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
25. I've actually pondered that possibility. Problem is, when huge money and greed is involved,
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:39 AM
Nov 2013

I don't consider anything out of bounds....I think that the public at large is very naive and unaware.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
30. The media acts like those people in offices/schools/organizations who
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:04 AM
Nov 2013

will treat you decently one on one, but if a bully comes through and decides to pick on you they're the first to jump in, in order to to make sure that they stay on the bully's good side.

mc51tc

(219 posts)
23. The Telecommunications Act of 1996
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:34 AM
Nov 2013

signed by a Democratic President unfortunately caused the demise of the media in this country. I so wish that Clinton had not signed it. Consolidation and bias set in right away with the corporate take over, and it has only gotten worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

arthritisR_US

(7,287 posts)
48. Thanks for posting this! I was reading a few posts
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:45 AM
Nov 2013

up someone blaming it all on Ragean and I knew it had happened under Clinton and with his blessing.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
61. FYI, The Fainess Doctrine...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:55 PM
Nov 2013

... mentioned in the original post, and a few posts back was rescinded under Raegan.

The FCC decided to eliminate the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
27. CBS had Sharyl Atkinson giving the teabaggers woodies all year with her "investigative"
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:53 AM
Nov 2013

attempts to turn up something big on Benghazi, and it never really materialized. I guess CBS couldn't keep teasing the sad little 'baggers forever, they were starting to lose heart--time for a big 60 Minutes reveal! Or, not, as it turns out.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
29. Yep--not even Fox is matching the negative anecdotal stories CBS is churning out lately on ACA.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:01 AM
Nov 2013

They're trying to expand their viewership beyond the frail elderly, I guess.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
31. Now that you've awakened.....
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:18 AM
Nov 2013

...open your eyes wide.

- It'll be harsh at first, but you'll get used to it.

K&R

JHB

(37,158 posts)
32. It's also an example of excessive concentration in other ways...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 02:42 AM
Nov 2013

How much of the lack of diligent scrutiny by 60 Minutes was due to simple cross-promotion across different divisions of the same corporate ownership? In this case the effect was greatly amplified by the politics.

Threshold Editions, a subsidiary of Simon & Schuster, which is owned by CBS, said on Friday they are notifying stores that copies of the book, titled "The Embassy House," can be returned to the publisher, New York Times' Julie Bosman tweeted.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/11/simon-schuster-pulling-benghazi-book-177108.html

ABOUT THRESHOLD EDITIONS

Threshold Editions is an imprint of Simon & Schuster that specializes in conservative non-fiction. Recent successes include #1 New York Times bestsellers Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin, An Inconvenient Book by Glenn Beck, and The Obama Nation by Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D.

Authors include Glenn Beck, Karl Rove, Jerome R. Corsi, Mark R. Levin, David Kupelian, Lynne Cheney, Arthur B. Laffer, Mary Cheney, Jerry Doyle, Reid Buckley, Brian Jennings, George Melloan, Burton W. Folsom, and Stephen Moore.

http://imprints.simonandschuster.biz/threshold

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
43. And who is "Editor at Large" for "Threshold Additions?
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:28 AM
Nov 2013

("Connecting the Dots" in our Media World)

Mary Matalin

Matalin has served Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush. Most recently, she joined the Bush/Cheney administration in the first term as Assistant to the President and Counselor to the Vice President. In that capacity, she preformed as senior advisor on major initiatives, including national security, homeland security, energy, economic growth and corporate governance policies. She oversaw the Vice President’s political and communications departments, advancing administration policies from the Middle East, Europe and across America to Capitol Hill.


Before joining the Bush/Cheney White House, Matalin hosted CNN’s critically acclaimed debate show, Crossfire. Matalin was also a former founding co-host of the Washington based CNBC political weeknight talk show, Equal Time. Today, she can be seen weekly as a CNN Political Contributor on such shows as The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and John King USA. Matalin can also be heard weekly along with co-host Arianna Huffington on the nationally-syndicated radio program Both Sides Now, which is currently broadcast on over 100 radio stations across the country. The show - being called “the only ‘2 sides/ 2 women’ national talk program around” - represents a departure from traditional news talk product which is dominated across the U.S. by male voices.

In addition to her successful careers in politics, television, and radio, Matalin is also a widely read, respected and acclaimed author and serves as Editor at Large for Threshold Editions, a conservative publishing imprint at Simon & Schuster that has published authors from Vice President Dick Cheney to Karl Rove to Glenn Beck. Matalin, along with her husband James Carville, co-authored the best-selling political campaign book All’s Fair: Love, War and Running for President. Her most recent book, Letters to My Daughters was named a Book of the Month Club selection as well as The New York Times and The Washington Post best-seller lists. Letters to My Daughters was also selected for a condensed version by Reader’s Digest.[/b[

http://matalin.info/

JHB

(37,158 posts)
49. Yes, and it must be nice to be able to dole out Wingnut Wefare...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:09 AM
Nov 2013

...as long as you know who to call to arrange bulk-buys of the books. No surprise, she does.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
33. @BillMoyersHQ: "Confidence in the media as a check on abuses of power is collapsing."
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 05:06 AM
Nov 2013

@BillMoyersHQ: "Confidence in the media as a check on abuses of power is collapsing." -@NicholsUprising
http://t.co/2sLmFefCzF

m.twitter.com/BillMoyersHQ

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
40. That's a good thing.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:04 AM
Nov 2013

They are failing to maintain an adequate smoke screen. They believe their own propaganda.

Last night I heard professional liar Tom Brokaw tell David Letterman the nation was more liberal when it elected JFK than it is today. The right wing media is becoming more aggressive in their lies.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
37. Hey, that's why they did away with the fairness doctrine.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:44 AM
Nov 2013

This is not a game. This is the nation moving toward wholesale Fascism right before your eyes. It's been a very gradual process.

Right wing forces in America cannot resist the temptation of this all powerful, potentially world dominating military. They have dreams of achieving what they failed to accomplish last century.

We simply cannot have a democracy without a balanced, fair TV media and free press. Of course, this is the objective—to do away with the democracy.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." — Benito Mussolini

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
42. Our sorry-ass media has MISSED "the story" for decades.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:25 AM
Nov 2013

The "story" is about how media (all media) skews what they cover.. Of course it takes media to cover anything, and they will never "out" themselves.

Lots of people lack critical thinking skills these days, and are too ready to believe what "the news" tells them

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
51. Why Diane Rheem always has a voice from the left
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:10 PM
Nov 2013

Er, if you consider The Cato Institute the left.

She's been like that since the late 90's. IIRC whilst Newt was executing the contract on america the R's brought lots of pressure on NPR and managed to tip the board way right.

spanone

(135,820 posts)
53. what is scary is that no one vetted this guy. not simon & shuster (publisher) or 60 minutes
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:15 PM
Nov 2013

preposterous

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
58. Mainstream Media Has Been Mostly A Disgrace For Years
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:13 PM
Nov 2013

They are supposed to ask tough questions then a follow up question if the answer to the original query is some combo of untrue/BS.

You almost never see that and haven't for some time. Reporters who dig for the real stories behind the "news"? One of the best is Greg Palast and he has to work in London because nobody will touch him here - they want lap dogs like David Gregory.

Their lack of integrity and their bending to the corporate rulers has caused so much harm to us and our image elsewhere.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
59. I feel like I'm biting the hand that feeds me
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:15 PM
Nov 2013

When I complain about NPR. It isn't perfect but it is all I got, baby.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
64. And THAT Is Why TYT Is... The Largest Online News Show Network In The World
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:25 PM
Nov 2013

Over a BILLION and a HALF "Views" on YouTube.



Link: http://www.tytnetwork.com/company/



& Rec !!!

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
65. As far as News
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:26 PM
Nov 2013

Network and cable news are corporate toadies and pander to interests other than the American people. They all have heavy biases, mainly to the right, so the news we get is more opinion pieces than actual news. If you want to at least get a somewhat less biased, actual news from a different perspective, watch, BBC, CBC, Al Jazeera <which ATT Uverse will not allow on their stations>.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
69. thanks...I am pretty humbled by the attention it is getting - just had to air out my frustrations
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:37 PM
Nov 2013

...and so many here at DU do this sort of thing so much better than I do....

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
71. thanks...what I feel in my heart is often more eloquent than my ability to put it into words....
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:47 PM
Nov 2013

I would make a really lousy attorney!

(or politician!)


ZX86

(1,428 posts)
67. Solution: Make News Media Tax Exempt like Religion
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:07 PM
Nov 2013

Any organization that gathers and disseminates public affair news and/or opinion should be tax exempt as long as they devote 15% of their content to outside review and they have no other business interests outside of public affairs news.

Problem solved.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
68. The 4th estate has been "in the bag" for the rightwing filthy rich corporatists since 1980.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:18 PM
Nov 2013

At least.

It became clear to me as the noon day sky over the Mediterranean Sea in October of 1983, after President Ronald Reagun sent the Marines into Lebanon and 244 Marines and Navy sailors were killed in just 1 day -- the largest loss of life suffered by the Marine Corps since the invasion of Iwo Jima during World War II -- and then Reagan invaded the tiny island of Grenada 2 days later, as he "wagged the dog" . . . and wound up taking the worst foreign policy blunder committed in more than a dozen years from right off of the front pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times!!!

CBS and NBC barely covered the news of how most of those Marines that had been killed in October had been buried by over 200 tons of the battalion headquarters building when it was bombed by a terrorist that month in 1983.
However, they both provided daily coverage of VP Bush in 1983, wearing a helmet and a flak jacket, when he was in Lebanon later that year talking to reporters about how that debacle happened, and all those favorable reports of ol' George Bush "getting r done" were carried on a daily basis for several weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas that year.

So, you are absolutely right, my friend, the mainstream media can NOT be trusted to tell the American people the truth.
Those halycon days of the news being brought to us by honest men like Walter Cronkite, who was voted as the "most trusted man in America" in 1970, are long gone.


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