Who killed JFK?

[Va Lefty]

57 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Lee Harvey Oswald
	15 (26%)
	Organized Crime
	3 (5%)
	CIA/US Government
	34 (60%)
	Communists
	0 (0%)
	Other
	5 (9%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[uppityperson]

1. Who pulled the trigger(s) or who back the one(s) who did the murder directly?

[Va Lefty]

5. Both. I would like to hear your opinion

[NightWatcher]

2. I clicked CIA because I think George H W Bush...

[LiberalEsto]

10. +1 nt

[mc51tc]

28. "Poppy Bush" could not recall where he was when JFK was killed: must have been on Mars!

"George H.W. Bush was working for the CIA at least as early as 1961; more than likely he was recruited in his college days, at Yale, when he was in the Skull and Bones Society. He and his wife Barbara moved to Houston where he ran an offshore oil drilling business, Zapata Offshore Co., which was a CIA front company with rigs located all over the world, making it very convenient for him to vanish for weeks at a time on CIA business where one would suspect what he was doing. Bush was a major organizer and recruiter for the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was codenamed Operation ZAPATA. Col. Fletcher Prouty, former Pentagon high ranking official, who was the basis for the “Col. X” character in Oliver Stone’s “JFK”, obtained two Navy ships for the operation that were repainted to non-Navy colors and then renamed HOUSTON and BARBARA.
George H.W. “Poppy” Bush is one of the few who could never recall where he was or what he was doing when JFK was assassinated; as a matter of fact, for over 20 years, he could not recall any details at all. He was 39 years old at the time and chairman of the Harris County (Houston) Republican Party and an outspoken critic of JFK. But on 21 November 1963, GHWB was staying at the Sheraton Hotel in downtown Dallas and spoke that very evening to the American Association of Oil Drilling Contractors. Some time later, he was reportedly at “the ratification meeting” at the home of Clint Murchison, Sr., receiving last minute instructions and toasting JFK’s murder the night before it happened. [NOTE: Madeleine Duncan Brown has written about this event in her book, Texas in the Morning (1997). It was corroborated by Nigel Turner in Part 9, "The Guilty Men", of "The Men who Killed Kennedy".]"

[rbrnmw]

50. Nixon was also in Dallas 11/22/1963 eom

[silvershadow]

15. How funny. I was hoping it would be a list of names including his when I clicked. I guess CIA will

have to do.

[RichGirl]

58. yup

[Whisp]

3. I might check off BFEE is it was there. nt

[El Supremo]

4. All of them:

[Ava Gadro]

44. LOL

[BootinUp]

45. I love this. nt

[freshwest]

49. Sorry, wrong. It was shapeshifting reptilians. I thought everyone knew that.

Do I need a or icon?

Here, I'll just put on my and

[treestar]

60. The assembled killers all killed by Jack Ruby

Perfectly planned! Including sealing of the extra wounds!

This should not be funny, because somebody died, but 50 years and several conspiracy theories later, it just is.

[SidDithers]

6. ...

Sid

[hrmjustin]

7. Colonel Mustard!

[gopiscrap]

8. Right Wingers

[Drunken Irishman]

9. Lee Harvey Oswald. Pretty cut & dry...

[Boomerproud]

12. The media certainly agrees with that.

n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

17. AS they should. We've had 50 years for definitive proof to come out and not one smoking gun.

Nothin'. Just a lot of hearsay. I mean, for how inept the U.S. government can be, they sure know how to hold a secret - one that potentially could involve thousands of people - pretty tight. That's impressive.

[dflprincess]

19. They managed to keep the post assassination meeting with Castro secret for 50 years

[Drunken Irishman]

22. A meeting an assassination are two completely different things...

If a group assassinated Kennedy, not Oswald, there'd be a helluva lot more evidence out there. Still waiting for proof that Oswald didn't do it.

[Ace Acme]

65. The evidence in the classified files is not "out there". It's still secret another 25 years.

If some lone nut with a gun did it, why all the secrecy and confusion?

[Drunken Irishman]

66. If someone else did it, why has no one come forward in 50 years with proof?

A witness, a relative, an employer...? All that can be independent of a government study lolol

It's pretty clear Oswald acted alone. The only people who don't believe that are immune to facts.

[Ace Acme]

68. I guess you don't know that a lot of witnesses died mysteriously.

And Howard Hunt did come forward.

[jberryhill]

37. The media agrees the moon landing was real, too

Mere coincidence? I think not.

[treestar]

59. Yes.

Maybe there was someone behind it, maybe. Only because Ruby happened to kill him. Maybe they had to. But whoever it was, if anyone, has faded into oblivion.

[KT2000]

11. Who benefited

the military/industrial complex - the war machine.

Were the members, or certain members of the Joints Chief thoroughly investigated?

[Ace Acme]

69. Sure, the Joint Chiefs investigated and found there was nothing to it.

Why would they lie?

[Loudly]

13. One theory put forward by a gun enthusiast and forensic invitee

is that a Secret Service agent accidentally did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error:_The_Shot_That_Killed_JFK

[zappaman]

25. Not to mention the driver who fired the fatal shot!

http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/

[Loudly]

34. oswald then?

i'll say it if you will.

[pipi_k]

14. Used to

Believe it was Oswald but who knows anymore what the whole truth is

[duffyduff]

16. Facts are facts. Oswald did it and acted alone.

There is NO evidence otherwise, and there never will be.

[dflprincess]

21. Three of the Warren Commissioners had their doubts about that

Hale Boggs, Richard Russell and John Sherman Cooper. Cooper and Russell both publicly said they did not believe Oswald acted alone. Boggs said he would be willing to reopen the investigation once he became Speaker of the House.

[aquart]

35. How soon after did his plane crash?

[nyquil_man]

56. The plane crash was October 1972.

The investigation was reopened, in the form of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, in 1976.

[Ace Acme]

67. So you're claiming you know what's in the classified files?

You must be very well-connected if you know that.

[ucrdem]

18. Other:

Disgruntled former CIA chief Allen Dulles, backed by a couple of Dallas oil boys, possibly assisted by disgruntled USAF General Curtis LeMay, with off-the-books inside help from the Secret Service and Dallas Police. Other agencies seem to have called off their watchdogs so to speak, including McCone's CIA and J Edgar Hoover's FBI, later LBJ's Justice department, but the operation appears to have been mainly coordinated by Dulles, who at that point was ex-CIA, having been fired by Kennedy in November 1961.

The other big player was Texas oil tycoon H. L. Hunt, not to be confused with CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, who was also a player. It also looks to me like Oswald had no direct connection and wouldn't have had an interest in the assassination if he'd known about it. Castro had no connection either, but crazy fox that he is, may have known it was coming, though he wouldn't have been able to do much about it.

That's how it appears to me at the moment.

[aquart]

36. Now I could back a Dulles plot. Those boys were pure evil.

Yep. Put me down for other meaning Dulles.

[ucrdem]

42. Perfect criminal, perfect crime.

Motive, means, opportunity don't leave much room for doubt. Oswald for example had no motive. The other thing is that as an outsider with strong inside connections Dulles enjoyed a kind of untouchable status, in that he could call in favors, but wasn't answerable to anyone but his co-conspirators. Pure evil, exactly.

[Bolo Boffin]

20. A couple of plugs for threads of mine in CS

53 Reasons It Was Oswald

32 Reasons and Arguments There Was No Conspiracy Behind Oswald

Both are abbreviated versions of Vincent Bugliosi's two summary chapters from his book Reclaiming History.

[cpwm17]

61. Perhaps, if it's allowed, you could post those threads in GD for the 50th anniversary of JFK's death

[Bolo Boffin]

63. Oh, I don't think a repost is going to happen.

It took days to write all those up in the first place. A repost would take valuable time away from procrastinating on Nanowrimo.

[rollin74]

23. Oswald

conspiracy theories are easy. I have yet to see proof that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone

[Ace Acme]

70. Expecting proof before there's been a proper investigation is unreasonable.

Aren't you just a little bit curious about what's in the classified files? If a lone nut did it, what's to hide?

[zappaman]

24. well

[Blue_In_AK]

31. Can I "like" this?

[zappaman]

32. The BFEE is also responsible for...

your backed up toilet...
the local liquor store running out of your favorite beer...
and leaving the dog poop on your lawn.

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

[Blue_In_AK]

33. I don't doubt it for a minute.

[NoOneMan]

26. Gray Aliens should be an option

[Spirochete]

27. Curiousity

but the cat was the intended target...

[Blue_In_AK]

29. I don't know,

but I suspect government involvement.

If people knew for sure, there wouldn't be so much speculation.

[mc51tc]

30. Jackie Kennedy believed it was a conspiracy until she died.

She always said to those who knew her, "they" killed my husband.

[jberryhill]

38. And Ted believed it was Oswald even AFTER he died

His book, True Compass, was written in the knowledge it would be published after his death.

[ZombieHorde]

39. My best guess is Oswald. nt

[The Second Stone]

40. Lee Harvey Oswald

pushed to it by the war hawks in Washington through the CIA.

[longship]

41. Posted at 10 PM on Sat night on DU?

Do you really expect to get a good sample of DUers at that time? Or do you want to justify via confirmation bias?

Maybe a poll on "Coast to Coast AM" will provide more confirmation. Just a suggestion.

[Logical]

43. LOL, CIA??, this really reflects badley on the DU! nt

[JDPriestly]

46. Other -- I'm not sure. I really don't know.

[pamela]

47. Other: Secret Service agent

Accidentally

[Faux pas]

62. Saw JFK:The Smoking Gun

on reelz. That was their conclusion. Sad, sad, sad.

[Ace Acme]

71. How convenient for the Military-Industrial-Complex that JFK was removed

by an accident, and the government report was just a coverup of an official's incompetence.

[Faux pas]

72. I know

it really made/makes me sick to my stomach.

[FedUpWithIt All]

48. LBJ and the men involved with Brown & Root/Halliburton, Bell Helicopter, Ling-Temco-Vought etc.

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Otherwise known as the Suite 8F Group.



The winker is a member of the S8G and, according to his wife, it was his appreciation dinner that caused Kennedy to change his plans and head down to TX earlier than he originally planned.

Emphasis my own

M: Is it correct that both Lyndon Johnson as Vice President and John F. Kennedy were here in
Houston for a testimonial-type dinner for you and your husband? Is that right?

T: Yes, it came about--a group of people--Albert had been saying he was going to retire. As amatter of fact, he had made that announcement, so President Kennedy asked him to
reconsider; that he was needed very much; and would he consent to stay on. Of course, he
was ill at that time, but he was certainly able to carry on his work. So then my husband's friends got up this dinner for him, and they asked my husband what did he think about
asking President Kennedy to come. He said, "Fine," he thought it would be a wonderful
gesture, but after all, he was so busy that he would certainly understand if he did not come.

Much to our surprise he did call my husband one day and said, "I'm coming to the dinner. I had planned to go to Texas but not at this particular time. Since your dinner is going to be then, I think I will come." Well, immediately of course word got out and then all the people began to make these plans. First, he'd go to San Antonio, then he'd come here, then he'd go to Fort Worth, then he'd go to Dallas, then he'd go to Austin. Well, it became very
involved.

Too, of course, the Secret Service had a say. All along the time my husband kept saying, "Oh, I hope nothing happens while he's here in Houston at my dinner." I remember very well when we were driving in. We had a Secret Service man in the car--
M: Was this in the motorcade?
T: Motorcade coming in that afternoon. And he would say, "Do you see anything along the
road?" And he kept looking that afternoon, I remember very well.

my husband was asked to get back on the plane--I don't know just how it did happen--but anyway, he was the one that said to President Johnson, "You can't take off until you are sworn in as President of the United States."
That's how he happened to be right there in front. (Mrs. Thomas says that her husband was the first to address Lyndon Johnson as "Mr. President.&quot

In 1964, Thomas was named Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus. His old college roommate was George Brown of Kellogg Root and Brown/Halliburton

David Harold Byrd was also a member of the s8g. He owns the Dallas Book Depository. He also is a partial owner of Ling-Temco-Vought which turned out one aircraft a day for several years during Vietnam.

Bell, another s8g member and the founder of Bell Aviation, later Bell Helicopter, benefited greatly from Vietnam and had long associations with LBJ. LBJ had helped Bell get military contracts as far back as the 1940's. Michael Paine, his wife shared a home with Marina Oswald and she was the one who suggested the Book Depository job to Lee (according to the Warren Report), worked for Bell Helicopter.

The Brown brothers, also members of the s8g. They were the founders of Brown & Root. The company was purchased by Humble Oil's Halliburton in 62.

"Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam — allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability. "

"The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman."

NPR http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483


The other members of this group had oil ties. They were going to take a massive monetary hit (an estimated 300million a year) if Kennedy had been able to follow through with his plans to eliminate the Oil Depletion Allowance.


A damning number of links exist but this sampling shows just how much money was made off of the assassination and as a result, the Vietnam war.

"When I mentioned about Adlai Stevenson, if he was vice president there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy " "Well the answer is the man in office now"

~ Jack Ruby

"Well, you won't see me again. I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over the country, and I know I won't live to see you another time"

~Jack Ruby

[kydo]

51. Well after all it was you and me.

Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil

I shouted out
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
Well after all
It was you and me

=======

So us and the devil. I knew it!

[Benton D Struckcheon]

52. Disheartening results,

but enlightening at least. I would have thought more fact-based thinking would be in play around here, but I guess that's not to be. I'd guess the near 40% the facts get are better than on most sites if this poll were run, at least. That's something.

[Shrek]

53. Keith Hernandez n/t

[Arkana]

55. KEITH HERNANDEZ?!

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[Arkana]

54. Kang and Kodos.

[woo me with science]

57. JFK was going after the big banks and the Federal Reserve,

as well as the Military Industrial Complex.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2749997

Presidents don't do that anymore.

[librechik]

64. can i get an all of the above choice?

seriously...