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samplegirl

(11,488 posts)
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:31 PM Mar 2012

Martin Sheen Has Harsh Words For Progressives Critical of Obama

Martin Sheen Has Harsh Words For Progressives Critical Of Obama

During the Bush Era, "West Wing" President Jed Bartlet offered left-wingers a refuge from reality—much as Fox News does for conservatives today.

But Martin Sheen, who turned his late-career turn as Bartlet into his signature role, had already been a liberal icon for decades before the show, thanks to his political activism and his performances in counterculture classics such as"Apocalypse Now."

Today, however, Sheen finds himself frustrated with fellow progressives over their disappointment that Barack Obama’s real presidency hasn’t matched the heights of his imaginary one.

“It’s unrealistic,” Sheen told The Huffington Post Canada in a backroom at Montreal’s Theatre St-Denis after speaking at Free the Children’s latest We Day youth rally. “I wonder how many of those progressives are black? How many of those progressives understand historically what happened?

“There’s one face in that crowd that night in Lincoln Park that was the expression of absolute miraculous reality when Barack Obama took the stage with his family as president-elect. Did you see that night when they showed Jesse Jackson?” he asked, mentioning the civil rights icon who spoke earlier at the same event. “I wonder how disappointed Jesse is with Barack Obama?”

Sheen dismissed the complaint from the left that Obama has failed to match the intense umbrage of his Republican opponents. “People say he ought to start getting mad and start yelling at these people,” Sheen said. “He didn’t get here by showing an angry man; this is a very important job. The whole world is watching every move, listening to nuance that he breathes in public.”

The actor pointed his finger squarely at Republicans for Obama's problems, arguing that they have been an unprecedentedly obstructionist congress, especially since the 2010 mid-term elections.

“It’s been fighting tooth and nail to get anything on the table with these morons,” Sheen groused, adding that the GOP is being directed by the Tea Party, which he called “the professional against-ers who are really to be identified as radical extremists who have no agenda and no purpose.”

As for the Republican candidates currently battling it out for the chance to challenge Obama in the general election -- a field which remains crowded after Rick Santorum claimed three states, Mitt Romney six and Newt Gingrich one on Super Tuesday -- Sheen isn't concerned.

“It does not shift the balance of reality. You can listen to any one of those four nominees talk about the [economic] situation and none of them is really in touch with what the hell people are facing, you know? They keep knocking the president, and yet they can’t find any fault with him regarding the specifics of the programs that he’s initiated in opposition to them.”

Despite the seemingly never-ending Republican primary, Sheen said he predicts Romney will wind up the ultimate nominee. But the actor said the former governor of Massachusetts will enter the general election hamstrung by what he’s had to say to compete in Tea Party-influenced primaries.

“Who the hell is going to be able to really believe anything Romney says when he stands next to someone who comes from a place and stands for it and risks his life to achieve it? You know, Obama rarely raises his voice, but he rises to every occasion

“Of course, he’s going to win. When he gets Romney one on one then you’ll see the quality of the man, where he comes from, what he stands for and where he wants to take us. Romney’s got a big wallet and a lot of campaign rhetoric, but what’s he going to stand on when he stands next to Obama and debates?”

Besides, Sheen said, progressives can also take heart that Occupy Wall Street has halted the rightward swing after the mid-terms and set Obama up to knock the pins down during the election.

“I cannot begin to tell you how encouraging and refreshing the Occupy Movement is to us old-timers, because it came about from a totally new, unconnected generation to us. It came of its own volition, dealing with its own issues. This message that, ‘we are divided in a lot of very fundamental ways. There’s the 1 percent and the 99.’ That is on the agenda now. That cannot be erased.

“It’s like you cannot un-ring the bell. They rang the bell on Wall Street, if you will, and that clang reverberated around the world.”



http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/07/martin-sheen-barack-obama_n_1327360.html

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Martin Sheen Has Harsh Words For Progressives Critical of Obama (Original Post) samplegirl Mar 2012 OP
I so miss President Bartlet eissa Mar 2012 #1
I've had a big crush on Martin Sheen since Surya Gayatri Mar 2012 #9
Sounds like he's quite supportive of progressives just1voice Mar 2012 #2
Great article. You may want to edit down to 4 paragraphs or less cbayer Mar 2012 #3
I have no bone unionworks Mar 2012 #4
So the headline could also be something like "Sheen Praises OWS for Helping Obama Move Left?" villager Mar 2012 #5
Twas kinda funny zipplewrath Mar 2012 #7
Or perhaps the headline should be "Sheen Praises Obama and OWS?" PragmaticLiberal Mar 2012 #10
I've observed that lots of DU'ers are binary thinkers. emulatorloo Mar 2012 #15
well, yes or no Cobalt-60 Mar 2012 #34
If your not in the blue box then you must be in the red box... Larry Ogg Mar 2012 #63
Kinda like a ballot box. Swede Mar 2012 #67
The ballot box is the box their trying to get of... Larry Ogg Mar 2012 #70
Only in a defective election system plagued by the spoiler effect. Unnecessary and harmful. saras Mar 2012 #74
Yep. EFerrari Mar 2012 #17
Uh, no. TheWraith Mar 2012 #29
I think he meant, make sure you OWS people contain yourselves to Wall Street and progressoid Mar 2012 #30
Or maybe he meant "get a reality-based view of government." nt TheWraith Mar 2012 #43
Yeah, because the best way to guard a hen house is with foxes. progressoid Mar 2012 #46
If it was Pravda maybe. joshcryer Mar 2012 #51
I can do both zipplewrath Mar 2012 #6
+1 nxylas Mar 2012 #71
Du rec...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #8
This is great and deserves a rec, but you need to edit your post MADem Mar 2012 #11
Why do you keep opposing California prison reform initiatives, Mr. Liberal Sheen? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #12
Most Arrested Celebrities blogslut Mar 2012 #27
As long as the prisons are full, he's assured of never having to do even a weekend in jail. TheWraith Mar 2012 #44
Thank you for your concern gratuitous Mar 2012 #13
Summed up nicely ... nt SusanaMontana41 Mar 2012 #18
Well said. nt cyberpj Mar 2012 #58
LOL, I swear Mark Levin said almost that exact same thing on Tuesday.. snooper2 Mar 2012 #59
Much respect for Martin Sheen. Looking forward to think Mar 2012 #14
Perfection doesn't exist Gruntled Old Man Mar 2012 #16
Unless one is declared an "enemy of the state" and becomes the victim hughee99 Mar 2012 #19
Yea, they don't get it =) OranicManic Mar 2012 #49
Thank You former President Bartlett. And I agree with every word. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #20
Well, that does it! Carla in Sequim Mar 2012 #31
K&R BumRushDaShow Mar 2012 #21
great to hear from Mr. Sheen Phlem Mar 2012 #22
Did anyone see him on "Who Do You Think You Are?" eissa Mar 2012 #23
Well, he's got President Bartlet's endorsement. Arkana Mar 2012 #24
President Barlett was a better Catholic than Santorum will ever be. Loudmxr Mar 2012 #25
Sheen is a better real-life Catholic than Santorum. Brigid Mar 2012 #40
Truth! butterfly77 Mar 2012 #26
Heh. Jesse Jackson? Didn't he want to cut Obama's balls off? progressoid Mar 2012 #28
Wise Man! K&R DianaForRussFeingold Mar 2012 #32
I love that!. One of the pest put-downs EVER!!! Tennessee Gal Mar 2012 #41
One of our favorite episodes! We used to watch them with the brother of FailureToCommunicate Mar 2012 #76
R#58 & K n/t UTUSN Mar 2012 #33
Of course he loves Obama! "Richest 1 Percent Account For Nearly All Of U.S. Recovery's Gains: Report MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #35
There are many brave progressives that see the fallacy of thought of some on their side. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #36
Progress? We spend our days debating things like TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #50
He must be right... Larry Ogg Mar 2012 #66
I totally agree. Which means he must be a very smart man! Or I'm a very smart woman! nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #37
martin knows what time it is flamingdem Mar 2012 #38
Funny... most of my African American friends are highly critical of Obama. Leopolds Ghost Mar 2012 #39
Funny? Robb Mar 2012 #42
President Obama has 91-92% approval rating among African-Americans, maximusveritas Mar 2012 #47
Most African Americans are far more conservative than Cornel West. Leopolds Ghost Mar 2012 #73
k&r Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #45
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #48
I worked on The West Wing SCVDem Mar 2012 #52
Thank you, thank you, for whatever you FailureToCommunicate Mar 2012 #77
Jesse that night. kaitcat Mar 2012 #53
Go Martin! graham4anything Mar 2012 #54
Huff Po is exaggerating Enrique Mar 2012 #55
+1 Wait Wut Mar 2012 #56
What if? naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #57
Well, if you show disappointment, you'll frustrate Martin Sheen! progressoid Mar 2012 #62
Fuck Martin Sheen MNBrewer Mar 2012 #60
Obama is wrong on nuclear power, wrong to let HCR pass without a PO, but we know you still love us grahamhgreen Mar 2012 #61
Keep Going, Bams made giving away vegatables ILLEGAL, etc.. OranicManic Mar 2012 #65
I agree with Sheen that the Republicans have been "unprecedentedly obstructionist." bvar22 Mar 2012 #64
I agree with you Martin but make no mistake - TBF Mar 2012 #68
Even though I rec'd, I did take issue with one item Sheepshank Mar 2012 #69
Sheen is absolutely right WI_DEM Mar 2012 #72
Haven't we learned our lesson about taking political advice from actors? saras Mar 2012 #75

eissa

(4,238 posts)
1. I so miss President Bartlet
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:35 PM
Mar 2012

Martin Sheen is a national treasure. How he raised an animal like Charlie is beyond me.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. I've had a big crush on Martin Sheen since
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:49 PM
Mar 2012

"Apocalypse Now". What a fine progressive voice, reasoned and reflective. We're lucky he's on our side, his errant offspring Charlie notwithstanding.
SG

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. Great article. You may want to edit down to 4 paragraphs or less
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:39 PM
Mar 2012

to comply with copyright rules, though.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
4. I have no bone
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:40 PM
Mar 2012

To pick with anything the man said. His enthusiastic comments for Occcupy Wall Street tell me he is not a Bluedog DINO.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
7. Twas kinda funny
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:45 PM
Mar 2012

The folks he criticizes are very likely the same folks he praises.

Hmmmm.... Kinda like progressives and Obama!

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
10. Or perhaps the headline should be "Sheen Praises Obama and OWS?"
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:51 PM
Mar 2012

Regardless of the headline, I basically agree with Mr. Sheen's sentiments.

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
63. If your not in the blue box then you must be in the red box...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:42 PM
Mar 2012

Thinking outside of the box is an alien concept for some...

If it's "not my way or the highway", then it's "if your not with us your against us.



Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
70. The ballot box is the box their trying to get of...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:44 PM
Mar 2012

That way everyone will keep on voting for the blue conservatives

and the red conservative extremist that the one percent want us to vote for.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
29. Uh, no.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 07:23 PM
Mar 2012

Unless, of course, you're looking to try and rewrite what he said in order to take shots at Obama.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
30. I think he meant, make sure you OWS people contain yourselves to Wall Street and
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 07:31 PM
Mar 2012

ignore the Wall Streeters in the White House.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. I can do both
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:44 PM
Mar 2012

I can both appreciate what he has accomplished, and be critical of those things he's done that are objectionable. He doesn't have to be perfect, and I don't have to ignore his failings to appreciate him.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
71. +1
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:54 PM
Mar 2012

There are intermediate points between "cheerleader" and "hater", you know. I'd rather have Obama in power than any Republican, but I still think he could fight harder on some issues.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. This is great and deserves a rec, but you need to edit your post
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:53 PM
Mar 2012

You've got way too many paragraphs happening, and you're putting DU in copyright jeopardy.

Chop it down to four and leave the link up.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. Why do you keep opposing California prison reform initiatives, Mr. Liberal Sheen?
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:54 PM
Mar 2012

He can be counted on to align himself with the red-meat Republicans every time one comes up.

blogslut

(38,007 posts)
27. Most Arrested Celebrities
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 06:00 PM
Mar 2012
#1, Martin Sheen
Total Arrests: 66

Rap Sheet: The actor famous for a slew of roles including President Bartlet on The West Wing and Captain Willard in Apocalypse Now has another claim to fame: the Hollywood celebrity with the most arrests. He admitted in 2009 to being put in handcuffs a whopping 66 times. Of course, his crime of choice happens to be protest; his most recent arrest in 2007 was for trespassing on a Nevada nuclear test facility. His first arrest dates back to 1986 when he was pinched for civil disobedience while protesting Ronald Reagan's "star wars" initiative.


link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2010/10/27/most-arrested.html

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Thank you for your concern
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:57 PM
Mar 2012

Try as I might, though, I just can't seem to trim my ideals to fit the fashion, Mr. Sheen. Perhaps you could suggest some ways for me to get over this unnatural attachment I have for the Constitution, and thinking that it would be better for our government to follow it rather than work so assiduously to subvert it. From what I've seen, the people who can just turn off the "speedy trial" and "due process of law" principles are far happier with the way our government is working, and I'd like to be that happy too.

Thanks in advance for any help you can render!

 

think

(11,641 posts)
14. Much respect for Martin Sheen. Looking forward to
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
Mar 2012

"A Violation of Trust" when it hits the movie theaters this fall.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
19. Unless one is declared an "enemy of the state" and becomes the victim
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 03:08 PM
Mar 2012

of an extra-judicial killing between now and election day, I don't see how anyone could not vote for President Obama.

Carla in Sequim

(228 posts)
31. Well, that does it!
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 08:14 PM
Mar 2012

Time to order The West Wing and see it again.

And speaking of TWW, I think Willard is watching it. He called our president feckless a few days ago. Hmm.
Also, I had the priviledge of meeting him after a march in Los Angeles for Kerry. He spent so much time shaking hands with EVERY disabled person at the back of the huge crowd, it delayed his speech at the podium. Nobody cared. He is wonderful. He was a guest on Actor's Studio some years back that is also worth watching, if you can find it.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
22. great to hear from Mr. Sheen
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 04:45 PM
Mar 2012

but I wouldn't disparage the progressives with unrealistic expectations. I think a lot of them were hanging on their last threads when Obama was elected and we've just slowly forgotten about them. I see a lot more people on street corners now than before and I've lived in one spot for 20 years. It's nice to criticize from a comfortable sofa in a nice house with a full stomach.

-p

eissa

(4,238 posts)
23. Did anyone see him on "Who Do You Think You Are?"
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 04:50 PM
Mar 2012

Seems like he comes from a long line of rebel rousers

Loudmxr

(1,405 posts)
25. President Barlett was a better Catholic than Santorum will ever be.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 05:13 PM
Mar 2012

Martin Sheen worked several times at my facility. I was always shy about approaching him. I regret that. To tell him what a hero he is to me and the country.

But that was before I was called to service by my friend former Mayor Marsha Ramos.

The most inspiring quote from The West Wing is and shall always be:

"Mrs Laningham...what's NEXT!"

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
40. Sheen is a better real-life Catholic than Santorum.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:39 PM
Mar 2012

In "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Catholicism," there is an interesting sidebar about him. According to it, he works in soup kitchens, visits prisons and juvenile facilities, attends Mass regularly, and carries a rosary in his pocket. He once said in a newspaper interview, "Spirituality is not safe. It leads you down uncharted waters. If it didn't cost you anything, you'd have to question its value."

FailureToCommunicate

(14,018 posts)
76. One of our favorite episodes! We used to watch them with the brother of
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:48 PM
Mar 2012

Bradley Whitford ("Josh&quot who is our neighbor.

The West Wing really helped get us through the Bush years.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
35. Of course he loves Obama! "Richest 1 Percent Account For Nearly All Of U.S. Recovery's Gains: Report
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:16 PM
Mar 2012
Richest 1 Percent Account For Nearly All Of U.S. Recovery's Gains: Report

Truly, Sheen has done very, very well.

Us Peasantry? Bupkes.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
36. There are many brave progressives that see the fallacy of thought of some on their side.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:28 PM
Mar 2012

Martin Sheen is right, reality NEVER matches up to dreams. The greatest failing of ideologues is an abundant lack of capacity to be realistic ad realize that progress is one long, continuous struggle where every inch is won by intense, sustained effort.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
50. Progress? We spend our days debating things like
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 01:45 AM
Mar 2012

birth control, extra judical executions, and "reforming" entitlements.

Inches of advancement, leaps backward, and lots of flirtation with complete meltdown.

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
66. He must be right...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 01:23 PM
Mar 2012

Because those who agree with him say he is.

At least that's what a conservative would say.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
39. Funny... most of my African American friends are highly critical of Obama.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:38 PM
Mar 2012

In much the same fashion as Cornel West.

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
47. President Obama has 91-92% approval rating among African-Americans,
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:03 AM
Mar 2012

so most of your African American friends are in the minority. There are definitely those like West who I feel are more critical of Obama than they would be of a white President with similar policies/results because they are extra sensitive about not appearing to give him preference for being their same race. It's the same problem with some in the "liberal media" who are tougher on Democrats in order to prove their objectivity.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
73. Most African Americans are far more conservative than Cornel West.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 05:44 PM
Mar 2012

My friends are not among them.

The Civil Rights generation is dying off. Really, African Americans are only trailing the extreme rightward shift in the general population in this regard.

They are still moving to the right while the pendulum is beginning to swing back among younger whites.

Funny because it does not jibe with what Martin Sheen is stereotyping African Americans and using them to inflict white guilt on anyone who disagrees with, say, Obama's uber-rightwing health care reform act.

Not that most Americans really understand what is right wing any more since both parties have shifted to the right.

Response to samplegirl (Original post)

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
52. I worked on The West Wing
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:27 AM
Mar 2012

What a class act that show was.

Keep in mind it helped us survive the Bush years.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
54. Go Martin!
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:00 AM
Mar 2012

+1

Martin Sheen is one of the greatest, most patriotic Americans there is alive

His words should be manditory reading for those whiners who complain about this or that.

Martin has walked the walk, talked the talk

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
57. What if?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:38 AM
Mar 2012

What if, as a progressive, you are:

1. Against war.
2. Against bailout out banks
3. Against letting banker thieves get away with crimes (see MF Global)
4. Against the drug war
5. Against warrantless surveillance
6. Against torture.


Obama is for all those things, apparently.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
62. Well, if you show disappointment, you'll frustrate Martin Sheen!
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:03 PM
Mar 2012

Or worse yet, George Clooney might get disillusioned!!11!

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
61. Obama is wrong on nuclear power, wrong to let HCR pass without a PO, but we know you still love us
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:01 PM
Mar 2012

anyway.

And wrong about costly trade agreements. And wrong about not prosecuting Bush crimes. Wrong on rendition.

But you still need us if you don't want Romney!

 

OranicManic

(30 posts)
65. Keep Going, Bams made giving away vegatables ILLEGAL, etc..
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:44 PM
Mar 2012

Obama, bigger MONSANTO MAN than Bush ever wet dreamed of. Bush (Cheyne) had the M-I-C, Holoburton, etc...

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
64. I agree with Sheen that the Republicans have been "unprecedentedly obstructionist."
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:44 PM
Mar 2012
"The actor pointed his finger squarely at Republicans for Obama's problems, arguing that they have been an unprecedentedly obstructionist congress, especially since the 2010 mid-term elections."


But there are many disappointing things that President Obama has done that the Republicans had absolutely no control or influence over,
starting with THIS one:
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http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254886&kaid=86&subid=85

The policies that his administration have pursued are consistent with the Center/Right make up of these choices for his "Team",
including the White House support for Blue Dogs like Blanche Lincoln and Republicans like Arlen Specter in the 2010 Democratic Primaries.

Candidate Obama ran a Populist, Left Leaning, Pro-Working Class campaign,
but has governed as a Pro-Big Business conservative DLC "New Democrat".
Not everything is the fault of the Republicans.
There is plenty for mainstream/Center FDR/LBJ Working Class Democrats like myself to be disappointed about,
and STILL acknowledge that Obama is far better than any current Republican.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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TBF

(32,083 posts)
68. I agree with you Martin but make no mistake -
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:02 PM
Mar 2012

"extremists" are not stupid. We understand what a 2-party system means and CPUSA (communist party USA) has endorsed Obama. (http://www.obamabiden12.com/obama-biden-2012/obama-endorsed-by-communist-party-usa-sam-webb-chairman.html)

Folks who are claiming disgust and considering voting for Libertarians like Paul are simply confused or they weren't left to start with. So don't put that on us.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
69. Even though I rec'd, I did take issue with one item
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:02 PM
Mar 2012
“It’s been fighting tooth and nail to get anything on the table with these morons,”


I thought everyone knew that the accepted term was morans. Will someone please call Mr. Sheen and fill him in?
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