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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:18 PM

Abortion isn't a diamond and should not be rare and/or expensive.

It's a standard modern medical procedure and should be available to all women at anytime they want or need one and covered by their insurance.
Regardless of what anyone's religion or moral code thinks.
Period.
The more people talk about it needing to be rare, the more I want to give out free coupons for them at the mall.



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Reply Abortion isn't a diamond and should not be rare and/or expensive. (Original post)
TeamPooka Nov 2013 OP
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gollygee Nov 2013 #1
ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #2
randome Nov 2013 #3
Dawgs Nov 2013 #4
frazzled Nov 2013 #5
Wait Wut Nov 2013 #6
Nine Nov 2013 #9
noiretextatique Nov 2013 #19
ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #21
Wait Wut Nov 2013 #22
noiretextatique Nov 2013 #26
Wait Wut Nov 2013 #29
uppityperson Nov 2013 #31
Wait Wut Nov 2013 #33
hobbit709 Nov 2013 #7
TalkingDog Nov 2013 #11
whistler162 Nov 2013 #8
Incitatus Nov 2013 #17
noiretextatique Nov 2013 #18
cleanhippie Nov 2013 #10
nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #25
cleanhippie Nov 2013 #35
nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #36
cleanhippie Nov 2013 #38
nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #40
cleanhippie Nov 2013 #43
nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #44
LanternWaste Nov 2013 #41
cleanhippie Nov 2013 #42
One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #12
SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #13
tallahasseedem Nov 2013 #15
noiretextatique Nov 2013 #20
uppityperson Nov 2013 #32
WinkyDink Nov 2013 #14
Incitatus Nov 2013 #16
La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #23
nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #27
cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #24
La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #37
valerief Nov 2013 #28
mercuryblues Nov 2013 #30
99Forever Nov 2013 #34
pnwmom Nov 2013 #39

Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:20 PM

1. .

"The more people talk about it needing to be rare, the more I want to give out free coupons for them at the mall."

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:21 PM

2. Well said

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:22 PM

3. So long as women exit the medical facility sobbing and in need of psychological help...

 

...then it's all good.


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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:28 PM

4. Right, because getting an abortion is so much fun.

 

We should want them to be available to all women at anytime, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't want them to be rare.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:30 PM

5. As birth control becomes available and free with ACA ...

it will become more rare.

It should always be available. Accidents happen, even with birth control.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:46 PM

6. A mastectomy...

...is a standard modern medical procedure and should be available to all women at any time they want or need one and covered by their insurance...

...and they should be rare. A medical procedure is not something anyone should look forward to and steps should be taken, including research and education, to make all medical procedures rare.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:01 PM

9. Well that's just crazy talk!

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:12 PM

19. lame...why in the hell should mastectomies be rare?

why should a treatment for breast cancer be rare?

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:16 PM

21. I don't believe the poster said "treatment for breast cancer' and I get what the poster is saying.

With research and advances, it would be awesome if the procedure (not treatment for breast cancer) became rare.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:20 PM

22. LOL!

So true! We shouldn't try to prevent breast cancer so that we can make sure every woman has the need to have a mastectomy!

MORE MASTECTOMIES!!!!

In fact, we should make ALL cancer prevention ILLEGAL!!! Then, we'll toss sex education out of schools so that we can have MORE abortions!!! Woot!

Speaking of lame...let's do away with education ALL TOGETHER because it creates MORE SCIENCY PEOPLE!!! They want to PREVENT this crap! Can you believe that?!!/1?

I'm so glad there are people like you that totally GET THAT!!!

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:45 PM

26. as a breast cancer survivor, let me clue you in on a few things

1) science has no clue about what causes cancer, so preventing it...well, they are pretty clueless about that too. and honestly, there is a lot of variance on how breast cancer is treated.
2) if you are unlucky enough to get breast cancer, mastectomy is thankfully available for those who need it.
3) education is great, but see #1. in the case of breast cancer in women, there are some things that might lessen your risk of developing it, but please see #1 again.
4) i'm all for funding research, e.g., the kind that lead the Genentech's Oncotype DX test., which saved me from chemo. still, that test is not yet standard, and it should be. too many women are doing chemo needlessly because they are not offered that test.
but see #1...again...for the reality of where we are now in terms of breast cancer.
and yes...your comparison is still lame.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:52 PM

29. So...

...you think that we should discontinue all research to make the need for mastectomies rare?

Hey, I'm happy you survived. I have three friends and the wife of a friend that survived as well. I also have 5 friends that survived abortions. One of them...just barely. At 20 years old she was told she will never be able to have children. I'd like those instances to be rare. As rare as the need for any cancer treatments.

Medical procedures are great, when necessary. I'd like to see the day when the need for them is rare. You think that's lame? Good for you. I'm sick of people pretending not to understand what's being said. The need for some to just be obstinate is not my game...it is, in fact...lame.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:10 PM

31. surviving abortions without complications is why many of us fight to keep the choice of legal,

hygienic medical abortions accessible rather than only backalley abortions that have killed and sterilized too many.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:40 PM

33. I agree.

That's not the point I was trying to make. But, I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, too many people are trying to pick a fight over a single word. I didn't say I don't want them accessible, affordable, legal or safe. I would just like to see the day when abortions are rare. More funding for Planned Parenthood and other women's health organizations, education, research, healthier lifestyles, mental health treatments...all of these things could help reduce the need for abortions.

I've been put into the situation of having to make a choice when I was 17 years old and living on the street. I was emotionally immature and had zero support. The thousands of teens that are making this choice today are going through the exact same emotionally charged decision. The rest of us can sit back and talk about how it's only a medical procedure, a clump of cells, how it should be easy and affordable and safe, but it isn't easy for a lot of these young women. It's terrifying. The other option is even more terrifying. I want these young women (and men) to receive the planning and education they deserve. I want them all to live happy, stress free lives. If an abortion becomes necessary, I want them to get counseling if they need it without fear of reprisals. If they choose to not terminate, I want them to receive counseling if they need it without fear of reprisals.

I'm not just thinking about a woman's right to choose. I'm thinking of the individual. Each woman has her own story. I don't think it's wrong to wish that none of these women ever had to make that choice. That every young woman is free to pursue an education, career, and plan a family in her own time frame. Not be forced to make a possibly life altering decision in a few weeks. So, I will say it again...I hope to live to see the day when abortions are rare.

Hey, I read somewhere that teen pregnancies are down in the US. That means abortions just became a little more rare. See what I did there?

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:47 PM

7. Diamonds aren't rare and are kept artificially expensive.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:27 PM

11. /\ /\ /\ This. So, the analogy should be: It is a diamond

Which means there are a lot of poor people suffering and dying, practically enslaved, so rich white men can control things.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:57 PM

8. Another one!

Yup better to not educate people on how to have safe sex and have woman decide to have a invasive procedure than the opposite.

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:32 PM

17. I think most people having sex know where babies come from.

Using a condom is common sense.

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:08 PM

18. one problem: there is no 100% effective birth control method

so all the education in the world won't make the need for abortion disappear. there are also reasons, other than birth control failure, for the necessity of abortion. we do need more and better education, and abortion.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:08 PM

10. Is anyone here saying that it shouldn't be available?

Or is this just another misrepresentation of what people mean here when they say it should be "rare"?

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:43 PM

25. Problem is, you have millions of religious idiots dedicating their lives to just that.

So the rest of us need to push back against these assholes, rhetorically and otherwise.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 08:31 PM

35. Moving the goalposts. No one HERE is saying that. No one.

But you knew that already.

And if education and contraception are widespread and effectively used, abortions SHOULD be quite rare.

That's what it means when you hear "safe, legal, and rare" here.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:31 PM

36. "Safe, legal and rare" may mean that in this case. But it doesn't *always* mean that.

Oftentimes it means expressing disapproval of abortion without having the stones to actually say so outright. Maybe not on DU, but certainly in the wider world. And "the wider world" is what I'm thinking about here, mostly. I wasn't criticizing DU'ers specifically.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:59 AM

38. Gaol posts moved again.

Thanks for playing.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:15 PM

40. Or just clarifying my point. But okay, you win, I guess.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:09 PM

43. Not trying to win, just want us all to be factual and consistent.

Neither of which have your posts been.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:07 PM

44. Understood. My initial comment wasn't referring to DU, but I can see how you assumed that.

Not that I really mind being corrected when I misstate things.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:19 PM

41. As then should vasectomies, yes?

 

"education and contraception are widespread and effectively used, abortions SHOULD be quite rare...."

As then should vasectomies, yes?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:08 PM

42. Should vasectomies what?

Pretty sure that vasectomies fall under "contraception", of which there are many forms available.

IOW, what is your point?

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:30 PM

12. Providers should be properly compensated

Insurance should cover it (ACA req?) but it will cost whatever is proper compensation for the facility and professionals required to properly do the work. That may or may not meet an arbitrary definition of expensive. It's out of pocket costs that should be low.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:44 PM

13. Abortion shouldn't be rare and you want to hand out coupons..

Really?

You want to hand something out? Hand out planned parenthood pamphlets or condoms.

Why in the fuck would you want to teach people to use abortion as a form of birth control?
That's just twisted. Regardless of what your religion or moral code thinks. Period.

Oh and BTW nice post. Way to join in the hunt to find new ways to divide up liberals. Now I can't just be pro choice I have to want to hand out abortion coupons at the mall..


I hope women have all the access they need, and never have to use it.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:25 PM

15. +1

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:13 PM

20. the poster didn't mention anything about what you claim

"teach people to use abortion as a form of birth control" that is. nor did s/he say you need to pass out coupons at the mall.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:14 PM

32. Abortion IS birth control. How is that "twisted"? and who said you had to hand out

coupons at the mall?

I hope women have all the access they need or want and would never presume to judge them as to why they "want" or "need" an abortion.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:22 PM

14. Diamonds aren't rare. They're just hoarded.

 

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:30 PM

16. It's cheaper than the costs associated with delivering a child, I would think insurance companies

would want to cover at least some of it. Or maybe the future customer is worth more. California lets nurse practitioners perform abortions now that should help lower the cost. Hopefully more states will follow.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:05 PM

23. even diamonds are not rare

 



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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:46 PM

27. Artificially rare, that is. Which makes the excesses of the diamond industry all the more tragic.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:09 PM

24. Please keep your opinion to yourself....

we are only allowed to be pro-choice with no intelligent discussion here at DU, a discussion forum.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:14 AM

37. no we are allowed to have intelligent decisions. we aren't allowed to pretend to be prochoice

 

when really we are not.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:47 PM

28. Abortion isn't a compassionate conservative and should not be as rare. nt

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:02 PM

30. I think you

should join the Girl Scouts. I hear you can get a free abortion with 6 boxes of thin mints and there is a golden coupon in one box of Peanut butter patties for a lifetime supply.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:44 PM

34. Oh gee.

Another Word Cop on patrol.


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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:04 AM

39. Adoption isn't a haircut, either.

Ideally, it would be rare because women would have access to effective and affordable contraception and healthcare; and most woman would rather not have to go through the procedure if they could avoid an unplanned or complicated pregnancy.

But it should always be the woman's choice and be safe, affordable, and accessible.

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