is sarah palin a real person or is that just a persona she puts on?

[spanone]

i'm serious, this is like being stuck in some absurd, surreal movie.

i just heard her speak on the teevee. jibberish delivered with a cartoon voice, with cartoon facial expressions....

what she said made absolutely no sense.

it's hard to believe that anyone takes her halfway seriously.

says more about the nation than ms palin.

[Blue_In_AK]

1. Speaking as an Alaskan,

I think she used to be a real person. There was a lot to like about her as governor. Now she's like invasion of the body snatchers.

[spanone]

2. i just can't believe that what we see is a real person...i think it's a character she plays

maybe she's become that character over the years....?

[49jim]

3. Was Palin

liked because she gave everyone $10,000.00 in the state (oil money) and became unpopular when it ran out?

[Blue_In_AK]

14. Well, in the first place,

she didn't give everyone that much money. The Permanent Fund has been around since 1980, and we've been getting money ever since, no matter who is governor. She did hand out an extra $1,200 one year as an energy rebate since Alaska's energy costs had been extraordinarily and unusually high, but that's not why she was popular.

People tend to forget that she followed the most unpopular governor in the country, Frank Murkowski, and she came to power as a populist whistleblower, calling out the good ol' boys (my autocorrect said "good oil boys," which is actually pretty accurate). At the time, a fair number of our legislators were under investigation by the FBI for accepting oil company bribes, and in fact several of them ended up doing time (see Corrupt Bastards Club). After Sarah was elected, she worked with the democrats to enact ACES, a new oil tax regime that benefited the state (and by extension "us" since we're an owner state) more than Big Oil. She also enacted a fairly sweeping legislative ethics reform bill, again with the help of the Democrats. As governor, she was bipartisan and did not push any religious agenda. (Her successor, Sean Parnell, former ConocoPhillips lobbyist, has since gotten ACES repealed, guaranteeing Big Oil a $2 billion a year windfall. We will have a referendum on the ballot next August to reinstate ACES, which had been working just fine. Sean Parnell is an infinitely more dangerous governor than Sarah ever thought of being.)

There's more, but the Sarah we see now is unrecognizable. It's pretty shocking, really.

[progressoid]

28. Hey Blue...

What do you mean by "we're an owner state"?

Thnx

[truebluegreen]

33. The oil wealth of Alaska is "owned" by the state, i.e. its residents (those Reds!).

If I recall correctly, there is no state income tax and government is funded by revenues from the oil (and extraction?) industry. That is the source for the Permanent Fund, which pays every citizen a dividend check every year.

[Blue_In_AK]

41. You are correct.

Some revenue goes into the general and operating budgets and some goes into the Permanent Fund. Our dividends are drawn from the interest on the Permanent fund investments. I think it's about $40 billion in there now.

[truebluegreen]

52. Thank you for letting me know.

I have fond memories of Alaska. I worked there several summers in the 80s--bartending in Dillingham, cooking at fishing lodges, salmon fishing in Bristol Bay. But I retain the opinion that many Alaskans have no idea about, or appreciation for, the nature of the Permanent Fund and how extremely socialistic their whole government is. It is just Accepted! by a bunch of rugged individualists--the most rugged, toughest, independent! etc etc etc in the country....

Sure, life in Alaska is a hard slog. To be fair, I didn't spend a lot of time in Anchorage, which I hear is only a half hour away. The isolation, the dark, the cold, the snow, the bugs...all of it is a challenge. But what gets me is every woman I met in Alaska had a more interesting, demanding and difficult life than Sarah Palin. They were the real deal--they actually hunted and fished and canned and dried and gave birth at home and coped with 70 below temps and tires that shattered in that kind of cold.... people got by, with support from their families and friends and neighbors...and the government. But the way she portrays herself as a mama grizzly/frontier's woman/whatever makes me crazy.

Like the people who want government hands off their Medicare, her stance is just mind-boggling, and only possible for the blatantly dishonest, or galactically stupid, or for someone with no self-awareness, no moral compass but ambition and/or no ties to reality.

I didn't know anything about her until the summer before Her Elevation when Troopergate emerged. It seems that ever since then her ambition has been channeled into more and more extreme rightwing paths...that's the only explanation that makes sense to me: ambition and competitiveness trumps all...certainly principle doesn't enter into it.

[Blue_In_AK]

35. It's written into our state constitution,

Article 8, that the resources of Alaska are to be managed for the benefit of all Alaskans, not corporations or private entities. So, for instance, in Lower 48 states that aren't owner states, the oil companies have to negotiate with individual land owners for leases, etc. Here they have to negotiate with the state on behalf of all the citizens. So basically we all own the oil here and it's the state's responsibility to watch out for our interests, not the interests of Big Oil.

This is how we get a permanent fund dividend. A certain amount of the revenues received from the resource are invested in various ways, and then we are paid dividends from the interest on those investments. It's quite socialistic, really.

Here's the relevant constitutional language:


http://law.justia.com/constitution/alaska/constitution-8.html

§ 1. Statement of Policy

It is the policy of the State to encourage the settlement of its land and the development of its resources by making them available for maximum use consistent with the public interest.
§ 2. General Authority
The legislature shall provide for the utilization, development, and conservation of all natural resources belonging to the State, including land and waters, for the maximum benefit of its people.
§ 3. Common Use
Wherever occurring in their natural state, fish, wildlife, and waters are reserved to the people for common use.
§ 4. Sustained Yield
Fish, forests, wildlife, grasslands, and all other replenishable resources belonging to the State shall be utilized, developed, and maintained on the sustained yield principle, subject to preferences among beneficial uses.

<snip>

There's more, but you get the idea.

Former governors, Wally Hickel, Jay Hammond, etc., gave the owner state concept a great deal of weight. Sean Parnell's loyalties lie with the oil companies ... he is more inclined to think of Alaska as the "owned state." Especially, owned by Big Oil and every other multinational extraction corporation that wants to take a bite out of our pie. He'd be happy to just give it to them.

[progressoid]

48. Thanks.

Yer just a bunch a socalist commies!!

[JaneyVee]

50. Wait, you mean residents share in the means of production?!!! But but THAT'S SOCIALISM!

[Blue_In_AK]

53. Yep, and we like it that way.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. One other thing

Very shortly before McCain picked her, there was an article about her in the New Yorker, I believe, wherein she talked about her bipartisanship, her independence and probably most surprising now, her admiration for Barack Obama, who, she said, she wouldn't mind seeing win Alaska. I can dig it out for you if you're interested. It's worlds away from where she is now ideologically.



Here's part of the New Yorker thing. It's pretty interesting. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/08/080908ta_talk_gourevitch?printable=true

[Drahthaardogs]

49. Agree

When she was our governer she did not act like this. I believe a good portion of this is show.

[lob1]

4. She gives gibberish speeches because the ink smears on her hand.

[Kahuna]

20. LOL. Good one. nt

[demwing]

5. neither / nt

[Blue Idaho]

6. Alaskan Barbie has become a caricature of herself.

Nothing is more humiliating than a nobody who thought she was a somebody struggling to recover from being a has been.

Its over Sarah - your fame, your fortune, your tea bagger movement? Over... Over... and Over...

[malaise]

7. She's a cartoon character

Sadly she throws red meat at the backward white base. Her non-stop 'slavery' references are to remind old white men and other batshit crazy folks like herself that black people will enslave them - the best of fear-mongering and an amazing inversion of history.

[libdem4life]

8. The female version of Stephen Colbert...the Right Wing hasn't caught on to that one either.

Ideologues are easily led because they have ceased to think, to weigh both sides, to question their own beliefs, and make appropriate changes from time to time. It's why the RW still wear three-cornered hats with tea bags hanging off and run the Boston Harbor Play over and over again.

[truebluegreen]

36. I dunno about that: Stephen is wicked smart, something Sarah Palin doesn't even dream of.

[libdem4life]

42. She doesn't even know...her act is "secret", even to her. But not much gets past those Tea Partiers

You betcha.

[IcyPeas]

9. "tea party darling"

and unfortunately the MSM gives her air time that could be better utilized on real stories.

[spanone]

11. it's lazy journalism in my opinion. the only news is that it's sarah palin the verbal trainwreck.

watch all the comedy show monologues tonight....bet she'll be front and center.

and in a few months her book will be in the dollar store.

[Siwsan]

10. Notoriety is Sarah's drug of choice

She is someone with a hyper-inflated view of her own intellect.

[2naSalit]

13. That's what I think too.

But most importantly, she's a waste of good air that could/should be put to better use by endangered species.

[rurallib]

12. When Moe Howard did it it was an act

But I don't think so with this one.

[Blue Owl]

15. Sarah Palin should be rare and expensive

whatever the hell that means...

[Cleita]

16. I'm just wondering how did she get a degree in journalism?

My Spanish speaking immigrant mother could put a sentence together in better English than she can and my mother made sense.

[truebluegreen]

37. "With great difficulty."

Although it was the University of Idaho...and 4 or 5 other places--maybe they didn't check her transcripts?

[Johonny]

17. Most actors become the part they play

you shovel the BS long enough even you stop being able to tell what is an act and what isn't.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

18. Good point ! Got you confused does it ?

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Suppose Sarah Palin is all about Sarah Palin . And what seems kind of funny to Sarah should be according to Sarah funny in a funny kind of way to most anybody because Sarah is being funny.See here is how it works, She says- Hay,I can see Russia from my back porch -see thats funny because when you do not trust her than check it out which is seeking verification ,what do you find out ?

It's a ha ha isn't it ?
A ha ha that keeps you checking on Sarah who is all about Sarah.
Sarah makes some kind of comment in public ,and all over the internet comments it will say,she can see Russia from her back porch - It doesn't matter to her which way you laugh, with her or at her ,the Sarah Palin image remains just as if it is flashing in front of you in pictural form ,what you call the lasting or sustainable image.More than just an after thought.

So when she has you confused ,perplexed what have you, just imagine her sitting back doing her ha ha got you again.

Sarah Palin's Alaska is funny too! What ever became of that tv show -moose meat anybody? See how it works- It all comes down to Sarah who is all about Sarah.

Sarah Pailn's Alaska tv show-who cares, moose meat goes back to Sarah wondering around her neighboorhood looking to hustle up some moose meat for one of her P.R.scams. Point being one funny thing about Sarah takes you back to another and the next thing you know ,there you are in Sarah's world. And there is just where she wants it all.

You put the ha ha down first befor you see her lips move,than you will get it !

See, oh it's Sarah, ha ha ! What you got for me !

Trust but verify Ha Ha !
Deer in the head lights ha ha !
I can see Russia form my back porch ha ha !
Dancing with the stars ha ha !

All the way to the bank.

Hay,remember Monty Python
Imagine Lady Sarah riding naked on the back of mama grizzly leading the tea party revolt in DC ! Ha Ha !

[randome]

27. Sounds like she got to you just fine!

You should put your post to music. It wouldn't even need to rhyme!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

60. You might be on to something !

Perhaps I'll send a copy of the thread to weird Al Yankovic for consideration !
Check out his music video's on you tube !

He'd be the one to get the picture across.
Effectively too no doubt !

Indeed, should be ready for release just at the right point in time-right about the point in time when what ever the Palin PR build up will come down to. Might just turn out to be the best part of the entire body of work old Weird Al ever did.

Funny in a weird sort of way Al is.


Song writing, indeed,you really have to be a producer ,directer ,musician ,actor ,poet ,songwriter combined these days ! It helps to have a good voice for song but that isn't necessarily necessary !

Check out Weird Al Yankovic on you tube. Give ya an idea about what can be done with Sarah. Palin has left an awful lot of usable material to work with .

[Tikki]

19. She is out of any type of league and thinks she can wink her way through life...

Stupid Human being…


Tikki

[Jamaal510]

21. This is what I wonder about

many prominent RWers, such as Palin and Wayne LaPierre. Do they really believe some of the stuff they say, or do they just say it to rile up rank-and-file RWNJs to vote for more tax breaks and looser regulations for them? I would like to think that they're NOT purposefully misleading people, and are genuine believers, but I don't know...

[spanone]

44. when i watched her speak, it's as if she's literally just making it up, badly. with zero insight

as if she's playing some bizarre cartoon character...

[NightWatcher]

23. the Persona ate the person a few days after McSame picked her

Now it's out of control

[napkinz]

24. it's a serious condition afflicting many on the right ...

[truebluegreen]

39. Kick for Ditzophrenia!

Happily, I didn't recognize all of those people.

[libdem4life]

43. This ^^^^ LOL

[napkinz]

25. another great quote!

[madaboutharry]

26. The fact remains that she is ignorant.

Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt stand by their assertion that she "doesn't know anything."

She has a junior high school understanding of the world. She should have been sidelined and ignored by the media years ago.

[Rex]

29. Persona, she is as fake as the pyramids on Mars.

Cheney fakes being human.

[JHB]

63. The pyramids on Mars aren't fake - they aren't pyramids at all

One guy decided that some shadows on a photograph just had to be caused by pyramids - nothing else would do - publicized it, and lots of people believed it because he spoke with conviction and it fit in with their preconceived notions.

Not sure that the first part applies to Palin, but the second part definitely explains why she has a following.

[napkinz]

30. oh the hypocrisy ...

[spanone]

32. so true.

[napkinz]

57. I love your response to another Palin thread ...

[spanone]

58. hehe....thanks..

[truebluegreen]

40. +1000

[FSogol]

31. Groucho said it best, 'He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you.

He really is an idiot.'

Replace "he' with "she" in this case.

[napkinz]

54. I know he's talking about Chico

Which movie is that line from?

(Just a guess, Animal Crackers?)

[FSogol]

55. Nope, Duck Soup.

[Coyotl]

34. It is a character developed for a Hee Haw tryout (2008).

But, they didn't buy it. Too far from the corn field.

[MrScorpio]

38. She's a walking-talking Dunning-Kruger Effect. nt

[spanone]

45. had to look it up....

very possible. on steroids.

thanks


1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

[Whisp]

46. I think it's an acting job, for the most part.

but I also believe she is a stupid person, stupid, heartless, vacant - off stage as well.

It's a gig thing, like Coulter and all those other clown's anuses. They put on their big noses and make up and go on stage.

[11 Bravo]

47. The scary thing is I'm not sure that even she could answer that one.

[MattBaggins]

51. The voice and persona are faked.... really badly... the stupid, is genuine.

[PoliticAverse]

56. Think of it as performance art...

She found a persona that makes her a lot of money and she went with it.

[tularetom]

59. I don't think she even knows herself anymore

Just like Reagan became the character he played in the movies, she has allowed this persona to be created and now she's trapped in it. What she does like is the attention she gets from the gullible media and from ignorant hicks that get off on the tough talk.

[napkinz]

61. more ...

[JHB]

62. Grifters always put on a persona

That doesn't mean they're a mastermind, it just means they know what their marks want to hear.

I don't think the word salads are an act, just the "you bet'cha-grizzly mom" stuff. (Remember the "hunt" where she barely knew how to hold the rifle, and daddy has to do most of it?)

She doesn't know her stuff, but she smelled opportunity after McCain used her to try to woo women and evangelicals, and followed the money.