I would like to have a discussion about whether women think men should have prostate exams

[CreekDog]

I mean, morally, what is the right thing to do?

[ancianita]

1. Seriously.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Over 40 it is a good thing to do.

I once had a female manager ask me if women had prostate glands.

Seriously.

[MineralMan]

12. Skene's gland is homologous with the prostate

gland in women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skene's_gland

ETA: Rarely, adenocarcinoma of that gland occurs, and it, too, is almost indistinguishable from prostate cancer.

Little known information. There are very few unique differences between men and women on a structural basis. Homology is pretty much universal. Here's a list of homologous parts of the human reproductive system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_homologues_of_the_human_reproductive_system

[WilliamPitt]

3. What the what the what?

[ancianita]

4. That, too. Yearly.

[TBF]

17. Mocking this -

(in case you missed it - it's been a fun day)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4020467

[CreekDog]

18. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4021984

[In_The_Wind]

5. Yes

[ancianita]

6. Damn. We missed it! It's a good issue for 2014, though. Right?

[margeys]

7. morally?

what does morality have to do with it?
men should have prostate exams like women should have pap smears and breast exams.
are you trying to be funny and i'm missing the point?

[BlueToTheBone]

24. Actually this is series because it's hugh!

and any moran with a brain knows it's Obama's fault!!!!
:rolf: welcome to the fray!

[cyberswede]

49. This is a response to another thread, I believe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024020467

Welcome to DU.

[gopiscrap]

79. welcome to DU

[Sheldon Cooper]

8. I think a more appropriate question would be whether men should be allowed boner pills.

Since some folks think they should be able to control the reproductive systems of others, I think it's a fair question. If you (not you, OP) don't think I should choose abortion, I don't think you should choose boner pills. Make the best of what god gave you, after all. It's His will.

[Orrex]

20. Only if they change the formal name to "Boner Pills."

Otherwise, no deal.

[Dr. Strange]

23. "Boner Pills" is the name of my punk band.

If anyone starts using it, I'll sue them for trademark infringement. I'll sue them long and hard. Like a prostate exam.

[Orrex]

28. As a matter of fact, Pittsburgh has an undead pirate-themed band called The Bloody Seamen

[LadyHawkAZ]

58. How about "Boehner Pills"?

It's appropriate without infringing on your trademark.

[Sheldon Cooper]

29. I'll go along with that!

[Arugula Latte]

33. Boner pills make me uncomfortable. I would never take one.

Sorry, I just think they're wrong. I don't need help getting a boner because I'm a woman and I think that makes me uniquely qualified to talk about men and their flaccid junk problems. Also, I don't want my insurance going for anything having to do with penises because I don't have a penis.

[Sheldon Cooper]

35. Agreed.

On the other hand, if my father hadn't gotten a boner at some point, I would not be here. So, maybe we should go ahead and give all men boner pills. There are alot of people who would not be here if some men hadn't gotten a boner somewhere along the line.

[Arugula Latte]

37. Well, you know, E.D. was a potential pitfall for ALL of us.

Dad knocks back a few too many beers, it's bonerageddon, and *poof* you're never born. The future is rewritten, just as if a butterfly had never flapped its wings. Or something.

[Sheldon Cooper]

39. Heh.

Good one.

[CreekDog]

59. win

[gollygee]

70. We shouldn't have to pay for people to have sex

as Rush Limbaugh would say.

[Hekate]

42. I agree, Sheldon C. All that stuff "down there" is Gawd's Will. Also, men should have to ask...

... their bosses if they can get the prescription covered under the company health plan, and then take the request personally to one of the HR department female employees for final approval. Don't spare the details. If that pill isn't solely for the purposes of reproducing the human race, then too bad.

Loved Rachel Maddow's segment on this issue, complete with her boss's horrified face at the thought of having female employees approach him for his approval.

[Wait Wut]

9. Morally?

How is a prostate exam lumped in with the word 'morally'? Is it one of those 'happy ending' prostate exams? I don't recommend those.

As a wife of a guy I like and a mother of a son I want healthy...I think men in their 40's should have prostate exams.

[Arugula Latte]

34. This will clear things up. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4020467

[xmas74]

36. I was confused too!

Guess that's what happens when you work really early in the morning-you miss all the good stuff!

[Wait Wut]

38. Yeah...it didn't clear things up.

Thanks for the effort, though.

[Arugula Latte]

40. Okay, this thread is a satire. The original was a man judging abortion.

So this is a parody taken from the point of view of "what if men's medical procedures were up for debate?"

[Wait Wut]

46. I got that.

I just don't see the comparison between a prostate exam and an abortion as being helpful. I think men and women have the right to have opinions, period. When we make false equivalencies, we sound like idiots.

It's a little like saying I like chocolate ice cream so you should eat more cauliflower.

[Lars39]

10. And how guilty they should be over their decision, too

[pintobean]

11. Do you have a

DIY home kit?

[peace13]

13. Prostate exams should be offered at limited clinics across each state.

Each patient would be required to submit in writing that his significant other agrees that he can be examined. Should cancer be found it should be removed at a remote facility. Said patient should be required to keep the tumor for a period of not less than 18 years and nurture and feed it and pay for all costs of keeping it alive.

Just kidding of course! Let the health care roll. I wish the best for all of us in these trying times!

[Sheepshank]

81. Door to door prostate checking....for free.

clearly, a play on the old "door to door breast exam" dude

[LanternWaste]

14. I'm ethically uncomfortable with prostate exams.

I'm ethically uncomfortable with prostate exams. I think they are icky-poo gross, and the doctors who perform them are borderline freaks. It's unnatural and against the mores and codes of both humanity and my religion.

That being said, I'm certainly not shaming you... or even calling you an immoral reprobate for getting one-- only you can decide that.

[CreekDog]

16. win

[Hekate]

45. +1

[Starry Messenger]

50. +2

[LadyHawkAZ]

53. +3

[Warren DeMontague]

75. What would people do, if they weren't allowed to "critique" the behavior and choices of others?

Fuck, they might have to find actual hobbies, huh.

[gollygee]

15. Not unless they really really REALLY need one.

And then they should think of all the ways they could have prevented needing one, and feel guilty and horrible for the rest of their lives.

[lumberjack_jeff]

19. It was already discussed and decided.

She decided no.

[CreekDog]

21. No, she did not decide the morality

in fact, "she" didn't decide anything.

the review board decided not to recommend PSA tests, be done routinely because they weren't effective and could even be harmful.

prostate exams actually, are recommended.

so Lumberjack Jeff, looks like you can't even post honestly to support your claims.

[boston bean]

67. Also, I think the "she" he is referring to is Sebellius??

from the article Jeff linked to:

That's up to the Department of Health and Human Services. And this week, after the USPSTF report came out, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Medicare would continue to pay for PSA screening for men who want it.

[boston bean]

65. Who is she? nt

[LumosMaxima]

22. Prostate exams should be safe, legal, and rare. nt

[Arugula Latte]

43. ...

[One_Life_To_Give]

25. Only via Trans-Rectal Ultrsound nt

[Hekate]

47. Oooooo. DUzy.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

63. Only if I get to pick the sound

I'm thinking "Bach in the Backside"

Loud.

[el_bryanto]

26. I think they probably should

I don't think that's really the same thing as an Abortion, but I understand people disagree with me.

Bryant

[ancianita]

27. The moral question is tied to the medical question of preventive care. From experience I know

that prostate exams are part of preliminary test context for colonoscopies, which are crucial in heading off a big number of cancers in this country, whether those be prostate, colon or related cancers.

So yeah, prostate exams are part of a healthy preventive regimen for men. They're covered under Obamacare, too.

[HappyMe]

30. What?

My head hurts.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. All I know is, I saw this in the Hammacher Schlemmer Catalog

and I knew I had to have one.

[ancianita]

32. Yup, that Hammacher Schlemmer is bleeding edge in DIY!

[Warren DeMontague]

52. I dont get it.

[frazzled]

41. Well, I don't think we women should have to PAY for them.

They've got a hell of a nerve having prostates in the first place, and if they insist on having them, they should damn well get them examined on their own dime.

Furthermore, before being able to receive a prostate exam, I think they should be made to read a brochure on how it is God's will that they should have to get up to pee three times a night after age 50, and how it is against His plan when they try to shrink their prostates back to normal size with anti-natural, pee-killing pills.

Then they should first be made to undergo a full proctological exam and a barium enema.

[Arugula Latte]

48. Hey, we're getting a group of people together to go protest at the health clinic this weekend.

We're going to show graphic signs of enlarged prostates with the slogans like "Prostalex Stops a Growing Organ" and the like. Wanna join us?

[frazzled]

77. Sounds like the Lord's work, Sister!

Can't wait to accost unsuspecting middle-aged men crossing their legs and holding their bladders!

[Arugula Latte]

78. Great! We might even tauntingly wave Depends at them!

[Autumn]

44. If men were able to get pregnant would abortions be an issue ?

That would be my question.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Yes, because just as some men are pro choice, some women are anti choice.

Its not a clear cut gender division.

[Gravitycollapse]

68. It's a very clear gender division. That some women are anti-choice says nothing.

Men control the dialogue. They control the law. They control the social and religious institutions. The debate on abortion rights is very clearly divided along gender.

If men needed abortions, as they control almost the entire fabric of society, abortion would be perfectly legal and ethically acceptable. The opposition to abortion is born from the need to control and marginalize women.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. Ok

whatever you say!

[Gravitycollapse]

72. Like I said, that some women support abortion says nothing.

But you can keep addressing the exact subject I said was irrelevant, if you want.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. I can?

Thanks!

[jeff47]

56. No.

If men were the ones to get pregnant, the first amendment would protect the right to abortion. Then they'd get around to speech, assembly, religion and the rest.

[LanternWaste]

73. They'd be as easily available as vasectomy's if men cold get pregnant.

They'd be as easily available as vasectomy's if men cold get pregnant-- of which, there are zero moral arguments of note associated to be found anywhere in the west.

The (wholly fictional) moral issue overlapped onto this particular medical procedure is simply a hold-over from the days of dowry's, chastity as a measure of a woman's worth, and national borders being predicated on one's lineage.

[libdem4life]

51. There is also the "full frontal" complete with the squish-em-flat machiny thingy...OK just lower

that down, down, down from boob level to you-know-where. First the big one, almost done...hang in there, so to speak. OK, now those other two...there we go.

[TBF]

62. That should be mandatory - monthly. Just in case. nt

[Nye Bevan]

54. If I agree to put my prostate gland up for adoption,

does that mean that I avoid getting the exam?

[jeff47]

57. And clearly you can't have such an exam in a "regular" office

What if something goes wrong? Clearly you can only have prostate exams in buildings that meet hospital building codes. Just in case.

[TBF]

60. And it's generally a good idea if you buy stock in the companies

that do the prostate exams, because you know, capitalism.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/governor-rick-perrys-sister-positioned-to-make-a-fortune-off-the-new-texas-abortion-law/news#.UoKhHOLJIV8

[JoePhilly]

61. Do men go to women and ask them about whether to have prostrate exams?

I'm a man, and I've never asked a woman that question.

But I have had multiple women come and ask my advice as they contemplated having an abortion. And, having thought about this, I also had a guy and his girlfriend come to me and ask my advice ... should they marry or get an abortion. They were unsure which way they would go.

I suspect that I am not the only man to have had this kind of experience.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

64. Sort of, yes I do ask a woman.

Since my GP is a woman.

[JoePhilly]

76. That's a very good reason.

[kestrel91316]

66. I think all men need monthly fertility exams.

Electrojac up the rectum, turn it on and collect semen, make sure the numbers aren't depleted by frequent sex OR masturbation. Because sex is ONLY for procreation with one's legal wife of childbearing age.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

69. i'd like the men in my life to get screened and insurance should cover it

beyond that not much really

[procon]

80. If performed according to ritual

by a licensed State Political Officer with incense, sacred wine and mood lighting... yeah, sound pretty moral to me.

[ancianita]

82. The real question should be whether men show the self worth required to take on this regimen

at the appropriate ages.

Many of them don't, which still forces upon the rest of us the unnecessary financial burden of unnecessary premium increases, even if our Obamacare costs are lower than in the bad old days.

There's much for the red state white guys to appreciate about this issue.

[idwiyo]

83. Twice a year for those who keep yapping about "rare", and can't mind thier own business.

Without lubricant.

I am sick and fucking tired of arseholes giving me advice on contraception, or when I should/shouldn't have an abortion. That's from arseholes who can't give birth, and don't have to use any contraception but the condom.