If Hillary Clinton does win the WH in 2016

[Whisp]

(gawd forbid)
will some of her critics be able to be as critical toward her as some are towards President Obama these past years, here on DU? For four or eight years long?

Or will the rules have to change and why should they?

I will be as respectful toward President Hillary Clinton as others have been respectful toward President Obama.

[hrmjustin]

1. If she is elected I think we will be expected to hold her feet to the fire.

[Mr.Bill]

2. I know one thing that will happen if she wins, epecially if she serves two terms.

We will have a progressive Supreme Court for decades to come. I have my problems with Hillary, but that fact alone is reason enough to vote for her if she is the nominee.

[Wait Wut]

4. Ahhhhh...yes.

But, we'd (hopefully) get that with any Democratic President.

[Mr.Bill]

6. Of course.

And that's why I said I will vote for her if she is the nominee. I honestly doubt if I will vote for her in the primary, but it does depend on who else is running. It's too soon to tell.

[Wait Wut]

11. Ditto.

It all depends.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. but the Democratic President is the operative phrase...

right now she can beat any taker...

[Mr.Bill]

49. Right now, yes. But right now is an eon away from the election in political terms.

Time will tell.

[VanillaRhapsody]

50. That's the game plan...go with the winner...against all comers...she is the winner.

Yes I have stated over and over I am not married to HRC. However, she is THE force to be reckoned with....unlike anything we have seen in our lifetime...and we just saw the BHO phenomenon! The fact that she will make them spontaneously combust because they hate her so is just the icing on the cake. That just makes it all the sweeter. NO OTHER candidate can cause them so much apoplexy and that makes my little heart smile! I hope she kicks their collective asses into outerspace!

[TheKentuckian]

48. Probably not but no anti - choice and anti - voting rights wingers either.

If that completes your definition of liberal then fine but there are plenty of other issues where confidence wanes or is nonexistent.

[Mr.Bill]

65. Where did I say

that was my definition of a liberal?

[TheKentuckian]

67. You didn't, that is why I said "if". You did imply it because you stated

that Clinton would set up a progressive court and if she appoints as she is then that isn't going to be the case in many crucial areas.

[uponit7771]

57. +1

[cali]

63. that's true whatever dem gets elected to the WH

[Mr.Bill]

66. Correct.

And that's why I said I will probably vote for her if she was a nominee, but not necessarily in the primary.

[Wait Wut]

3. I will respect her.

Just as much as I respect Pres. Obama. Will I support her as much? Doubtful. But, I will give her the same benefit of the doubt when the media decides to provide speculation clothed as facts.

But, I would do any of that for any Democratic President.

[NYC_SKP]

5. One presidency per family. No exceptions.

I will actively support challengers to her run at the whitehouse at the primary level.

Her intentions were clear even before she packed her carpet bag for New York.

While there's nothing wrong with ambitions for the high office, my problem with the Senator is that she is not really looking after the interests of the 99%, quite the contrary.

She and Bill, to me, have only served the public when it served their own personal ambitions and, as often as not, have served the 1%.

[Mr.Bill]

7. Valid points,

but I'm afraid that will be true of just about any candidate unless we can take the money out of presidential campaigns, and that doesn't seem to be too likely with the current SCOTUS, which brings me back to my first post in this thread.

[brooklynite]

8. So, no Franklin D Roosevelt, right?

[hughee99]

10. I guess it depends if you draw the line somewhere before 5th cousins?

I imagine there has to be some sort of line somewhere.

[NYC_SKP]

16. Family, as in household. Think about it, no GWB!

Unless you liked GWB...

[Beacool]

18. Because I like you I'll refrain from saying what I think of that banner.

It would look appropriate on any Right winger's rear bumper.

[NYC_SKP]

21. It's not my sig line, but I do want people to know that they have a choice.

We can not be well served if any time a powerful entrenched and well funded person, man or woman, decides that they want the whitehouse everyone else is expected to stay silent.

Adversarial politics are healthy, the primary process has to be allowed to work.

I know it doesn't make a lot of people happy that I'm outspokenly in favor of finding new progressive blood for our party.

But I know friendships will endure!

[Beacool]

45. I have no issue with people having choices.

I expect that there will be several choices in 2016, but "Stop Hillary" was the RW meme in 2008. Hannity would start his radio program with a call to "Stop the Hillary Express". I hope that the Left hasn't reached the Tea Party level.

Take care.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. like the Roosevelts?

[Cali_Democrat]

55. That picture...

what the....

[MADem]

62. The horse has left that barn long ago...

Pierce, GHW Bush, Shrub...Shrub is actually related to sixteen Presidents.

Teddy Roosevelt and FDR...

Benjamin and William Henry Harrison...

John Adams and John Quincy Adams....

Turns out all of the Presidents, save one, are related through a common ancestor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183858/All-presidents-bar-directly-descended-medieval-English-king.html

Stop Hillary is a RIGHT WING web site, FWIW....the objection is that HRC is TOO LIBERAL. Are you sure you want to tout that nasty-ass, anti-liberal, anti-progressive PAC in your SIG line? Sounds like bashing/trashing Dems to me. It's like having a link to Rush Limbaugh at the end of your post.

The Stop Hillary PAC calls the former Secretary of State the "liberal standard-bearer of the next generation" and presented their raison d'être Monday: to stop her at every step she takes.
"There is not a more powerful, well connected politician in America who threatens to do real harm to the American way of life than Hillary Rodham Clinton," the group said.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/stop-hillary-pac-article-1.1405920#ixzz2l5Roi9Pp

[Autumn]

9. Won't bother me a bit to criticize her if she becomes President

and does something that I think is wrong. That's my attitude to any person that I vote for.

[Coolest Ranger]

12. I reserve the right to be harsh towards her

as many have been towards President Obama. I'm still not sure she's going to get my vote to be honest. I'm really hoping Bernie will run.

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. Bernie is not a Democrat...

and this is Democratic Underground last I checked...

[Douglas Carpenter]

36. Sen. Sanders always has the option of registering as a Democrat in time for the 2016 primaries -

should he choose to run. The overwhelming majority of DU members strongly admire and strongly support the work and input of Sen. Sanders. No doubt if he did run seeking the Democratic Party nomination - many - probably most DU members would support him.

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. but that doesn't mean that he will play well with the General Public...

I would IF he got the Democratic Nomination...just like I will support any other democrat that does.

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. Sen Sanders message of economic fairness resonates across the entire political spectrum because

he is able to keep the focus on bread and butter issues. But even if he does not win the nomination should he choose to seek it - at least there will be a strong voice for economic justice. If Sen. Warren does not run - and I agree that she probably will not - who will raise the flag for the cause of economic justice? If no one raises the flag for the cause of economic justice - then we are left only with the voices of the status quo versus right-wing reaction.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. Unfortunately that is the hand we are dealt

I admire Bernie believe me. But I am a realist....as soon as you tell Average Joe Sixpack he is or WAS a Socialist...he is sunk because most think Socialism and Communism are the same thing.

[Douglas Carpenter]

42. I have heard Tea Party Republicans speak kindly and admirably of Sen. Bernie Sanders - because

he makes sense and frames the discussion in way the appeals to the common sense of ordinary working people. If we want to move the country forward rather than just minimize the dismantling of the advances of the past - at some point we need a message and messenger that can reach ordinary working people. Sen. Sanders carries conservative Republican districts by landslide proportions. When Sen. Sanders appears on Fox News - people actually listen. I simply cannot think of a better spokesperson for the cause of progress and economic fairness.

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. in Conservative Republican districts where?

Because I guarantee you Teaparty Republicans in Red States don't know who he is...and like I said...as soon as you say Socialist...they think Commie.

[Douglas Carpenter]

46. people across spectrum listen to Bernie Sanders because he is speaking what they know to be true

if we want to make progress - then we have to change the boundaries of discussion. To forever run campaigns based on poll testing by Madison Avenue outfits running focus groups - we might win some marginal elections - but we will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER move the country forward. Just how long do we have to wait before we can try to move the country forward?

[dionysus]

44. Bernie is mad cool.

[Beacool]

13. Since you have zero respect for Hillary Clinton, that would be a stretch.

[Whisp]

15. You are googleable, Bea. Just a reminder.

You are googleable, Bea. Just a reminder.

[Beacool]

17. Well, experience does matter in life.

As it has become apparent..........

[Whisp]

19. What are you saying, Bea?

that dogwhistle thing again?

come right out and say it, don't be shy.

[Beacool]

20. I have no time to argue with you right now.

I'm late for a meeting (some of us actually put our money where are mouth is).

Carry on..........

[Whisp]

25. okay, some other time then when you won't explain

your little seeds that you plant.

[DonCoquixote]

56. experuience in lying, cheating

and backstabbing the left to ensure Wall Street gets all it wants, how it wants it..

I shudder to think what Hillary would have given to the rich by now, as well as how much she would enjoy the war in Syria that was only saved by Kerry's gaffe, a gaffe that might have saved thosuands of livesit was, thank God.

[Shankapotomus]

14. What makes people think Hillary

is beyond being persuaded away from her errors?

[Fumesucker]

22. She has admitted to making errors? n/t

[Shankapotomus]

35. Not that I know of

But what makes people think she's not open to amending her views on policy? Nobody has ever asked her if her views are amendable with new information.

[uponit7771]

58. hate of Hillary

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. If there's one good thing about Obama it's that he's not a Clinton.

We're supposed to be "critical" of the public servants we hire. They are accountable to "we the people" in a democracy.

[4 t 4]

24. I can't get into this debate about her right now !

but I said this a few years ago. She Will run and She will win !! Bookmarking as we speak.

[mike_c]

26. I've been a strong critic of Obama...

...because he has not measured up to the standards of liberalism and populism that I'm hoping for. I'll be just as critical of any president who similarly falls short of those goals. I'm implacably opposed to an HRC candidacy already, so she'd have to demonstrate solid progressivism to get my support.

[Whisp]

28. but can you believe her?

Think about her Tuzla lie.
Can you believe anyone who thought that was a good idea?

To me that just nailed it. Something is way wrong if she thought she could get away wth that. Wrong for people to dismiss this revealing moment and still support her whole heartedly, and wrong for her and her team to actual think this was a way to convince people to vote for her.

I can never believe her again, on anything.
And this is only One Big Thing like so many others.

[mike_c]

29. oh I agree completely....

My One Big Thing was the IWR, and no amount of after-the-fact justification will undo her support for the international crime of war of aggression. I refused to vote for Kerry for the same reason.

[longship]

27. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.

And maybe I could take her on a trip to fantasy 2016 election land.

[Le Taz Hot]

33. She won't.

[daleanime]

34. Nothing will change......

are you OK with that?

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. You mean nothing has changed since George W Bush?

are you seriously saying that at Democratic Underground?

[daleanime]

47. Who said anything about bu$h?

[Douglas Carpenter]

38. I will give her the same support and critique that I give all authority

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. I will show respect to whoever is the Democratic President....that's an easy pledge

[Deep13]

52. Who fucking cares?

It's not like anything we write here matters at all.

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[DonCoquixote]

53. ^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

especiaqlly as Jane Hamsher and others were on Obama from the first five seconds. I look forward to seeing Arianna Huff and Puff and Jane Ham it up explain things like the eventual war with Iran. The one way I will get revenge is by seeing Clinton betray her supporters as only a Clinton could.

[Fearless]

60. I will always be critical of those who do not espose democratic values

Be them infrequent or frequent, for any reason. Ever.

[BootinUp]

61. Oh brother. nt

[Buns_of_Fire]

64. One of two things could happen:

Her true colors will spring forth, and the long-delayed Age of Aquarius will begin. She will be loved and respected by all, and the financial industry will hail her as they realize that her new commonsense regulations benefit them as well as the 99%. She will broker a lasting peace in the Middle East, Netanyahu and Rouhani will marry, and Congress will pass a new Constitutional Amendment, which all 50 states will unanimously ratify, allowing her to be President for Life.
[center]-OR-[/center]
It will be a disaster of Biblical proportions. The markets will immediately collapse, zombies will rise, NASA will be completely defunded, throwing us at the mercy of millions of asteroids converging on earth. Dogs and cats will be living together, and volcanoes will be erupting from our toilets. God decides against a rapture, preferring to let us all fry where we stand. Crops will fail, and the Heartbreak of Psoriasis will befall the land.

Personally, I figure it would be somewhere between the two.