I'm a little confused by the "Hillary is unbeatable!" meme.

[MannyGoldstein]

I'm trying to remember the tough races she won. She certainly did get whupped by a newly-minted Senator in 2008.

What major battles of any sort has she won in her 20+ years of being an icon and stuff?

What am I missing here?

[blue neen]

1. What are you missing here?

Subtlety.

[JoePhilly]

3. Bwahahahaha!!!

[MineralMan]

2. Time has passed.

Who do you think could beat her, nationally? If she runs, of course.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. All kinds of people.

Elizabeth Warren. Chris Christie or any other Third Way Republican.

She's never won a tough battle, as far as I can tell. Why should I believe she she's suddenly learned how to be a good candidate?

[MineralMan]

7. What you believe is irrelvant, Manny.

Look at her polling. If she runs, she will be the nominee. What then, Manny?

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Then why did you *ask*

Pretty rude, I think.

[MineralMan]

16. Why did you ask, Manny?

Somewhat transparent, if you ask me.

[Le Taz Hot]

15. Polling 3 years out is

irrelevant. Candidates haven't even been announced yet.

[MineralMan]

19. Indeed. We should be

focusing on 2014, not on Hillary Clinton.

[Le Taz Hot]

20. Many of us are able to multi-task.

I'm one of them. Already signed up for CA-22.

[MineralMan]

23. Yes, we are. Some, however, cannot.

I am discussing both.

[DonCoquixote]

28. if what you say is true

then we can look forward between a p;erson that does the bidding of wall street to someone who is smart enough to gte wall street to pay up before feedxing us middle class type to it. Guess which one Hillary is.

[elehhhhna]

34. This sounds familiar.

[leftstreet]

5. No other politician currently has her brand recognition

She's got overwhelming celebrity status

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Rush Limbaugh has plenty of brand recognition.

She had plenty in 2008, too. And that was before the Third Way had jumped the shark.

[leftstreet]

17. LOL maybe Rush will run

That could be entertaining

[winter is coming]

13. Which wasn't enough in 2008.

As a former First Lady, she had an enormous advantage. It wasn't enough. People knew her, and enough of them didn't want her that a relative newcomer was chosen instead. The same thing could happen again.

[leftstreet]

22. True, but the party has little reason not to back her now

Controversial things like the ACA and TPP etc will already be set

[winter is coming]

25. The TPP alone is a reason to look for a candidate not tied to that albatross. n/t

[Warpy]

27. Yes, the same thing she had in 2008

and while she has her fervent supporters, many more of us remember the Hillary War of 2008 and don't want to go through a repeat of it.

Personally, I think a ham sandwich could beat her because of that.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Inevitable™

You can't argue with Inevitability™!

Certainly not, um... the second time around!

[JI7]

10. there is no Obama this time around

and those paying attention saw that OBama was building up a serious campaign . he didn't just come out of nowhere.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. There wasn't last time, either.

Can you link to some predictions from 2005 that he'd be the next president?

[Le Taz Hot]

11. The Party Bosses want her in.

It would be nice if the Party Bosses would stay the fuck out of it until the primaries have run it's course but that's not going to happen. PBO happened because he was just as corporate-friendly as Hillary except he didn't have the negatives coming in.

The "inevitability" is politicalspeak to warn any challengers, "Don't even think about it." She and her supporters have a sense of entitlement that defies anything closely resembling Democracy. Her negatives will overwhelm everything leaving an opening for Christie. (Neither Rubio nor Cruz will be the nominee.) And THAT will be the Establishment Dems fault. Not the fault of the Progressives, not the fault of the Teaklanners, the fault of the Third-Way Democrats.

[rhett o rick]

37. I believe that The Powers To Be choose Obama over Clinton in 2008 because I think

they wanted to let the country have their Democrat (after the lost Bush decade) and I think they thought that it would be easier to discredit Obama than Clinton. I think they were wrong, but I think they will back Clinton in 2016 plus Christie. They would prefer Christie but settle for Clinton.

[BeyondGeography]

12. I wouldn't call that a whupping

She won NY, CA, TX, OH, PA...if Mark Penn knew his ass from his elbow, she might have won the whole thing. Thought CA was winner-take-all and had no fucking clue what a caucus was. Dunce.

And Obama won largely because he took the black vote from Clinton. Is there a D-candidate out there who can do that? You lose a whole letter grade if you say Elizabeth Warren.

That said, I wish she and Bill had better things to do and Warren was a leading contender. The Clintons...by 2016 we're talking a quarter-century which is enough already.

[jazzimov]

14. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024054563

[pnwmom]

18. Links, please.

I haven't seen that claim anywhere.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. Google...

Hillary unbeatable site:democraticunderground.com 2016

[longship]

26. Especially since she's not running for any office.

Kind of weird.

It's called "fantasy 2016 election". Choose your candidate, even if nobody's yet running, and even if they've said that they are not interested. It's like fantasy football. It should be relegated to its own forum here. I might even join in once in a while myself. But right now it's chewing up too damned much GD turf.

For my fantasy 2016 candidate I may go for Cthulhu right now. He's not declared either. I don't think he satisfies the citizenship requirement, but that's just another thing I can argue interminably about.

Or how about Bugs Bunny. He's smart and clever as Hell. Plus, we'd all get to laugh a lot.

Or, Lizbeth Salander! There'd be equal rights for women quickly and the bankers would be utterly fucked.

After all, it's just contrafactus. Fantasy 2016 Presidential Election. If somebody wants to start a forum, I'll support it.

[Lifelong Dem]

29. Maybe the meme is right wing related

Because I can't figure it out.

Why Obama gave her a position I'll probably never know.

[Nye Bevan]

30. You're right. I'm a Hillary guy because I like to root for the underdog. (nt)

[MannyGoldstein]

31. That's a nice thought, bless you.

But we need to win this one.

[Nye Bevan]

32. Well, I know in my heart that our candidate will likely be Alan Grayson.

And that he will almost certainly whoop the Republican's ass. But let me indulge in my short-lived fantasy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. She and Bush won their fight for the invasion of Iraq.

[Oilwellian]

35. She ran a terrible campaign in 2008

She was so nasty toward Obama, remember how shocked we were when he chose her as his SOS? A lot of Dems were turned off by her dirty campaign and I'm sure if she runs again, we will be reminded of that side of her that we rejected the first time.

[MannyGoldstein]

36. The moment she hits a rough patch, I reckon. nt

[Oilwellian]

39. You mean a moment similar to this?

http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2008/03/05/was-obamas-face-darkened/

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. I'm focused on Wendy for Governor. nt

[libdem4life]

40. Again? Really? Thread No. 495 trolling for the dependable Anti-Hillary Lemmings. LOL

OK, to be fair, also the Pro-Hillary intellectual geniuses...another LOL.

Ever heard of the New York Senate?

And "icon" of what, The wife of a Cad? The Little Lady Baking Cookies Contest? Oh, I could go on and on and on ad nauseum.

Ah, maybe the one that forced her to become a "Clinton" because of Victorian politics that deemed that marriage rightly changed her surname and only Feminazis didn't comply?

Or, the one whose prescient "HillaryCare" got trounced because she was, wait for it, Just a Little Lady trying to be all uppity?

Maybe it's just the "lady" part that has people...male and female...so intimately engaged in angst and anxiety, or in this case, confusion. Harking back to the 19th, ok maybe 20th Century?

This is getting ho-hum...worn out...boring, well not quite for us with keen political instincts and a wit and political awareness somewhere beyond a dull axe.



Carry on.

[Scuba]

41. If she's the Dem candidate, the legion of Hillary haters will turn out to voter for whoever ...

... Republicans decide to run. On the other hand, those same Hillary haters recognize that Wall Street is stealing their lunch money.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/13-5

Most startling was the finding from those same national polls when respondents were asked which party was responsible for the economic crisis: “Republicans were precisely as likely as Democrats to blame ‘Wall Street bankers.’ ”

I don't think Hillary can win. But I do think Elizabeth can win, and that she's a much better candidate for those of us who don't work on Wall Street.

[uponit7771]

42. WOW Manny!!! You guys don't think this obvious shit gets boring quick!? 1 or 2 people say she's ...

... something or the other and the detractors run with it in an near flaimbate op

I don't know enough people that thinks she's unbeatable to start a thread on it...

[silvershadow]

43. Maybe she will just vie for the VP spot for either Warren or Sanders. Just a thought. nt