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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:09 AM Nov 2013

Lion-Hunting U.S. TV Host Has Internet In An Uproar

Melissa Bachman has made a living out of hunting some of the world's most majestic creatures. But after her latest excursion, one hunt in particular has activists outraged.

Bachman, a big game hunter and television personality from Minnesota, killed an African lion while in South Africa, announcing it in a photo distributed via Twitter.



@MelissaBachman
An incredible day hunting in South Africa! Stalked inside 60-yards on this beautiful male lion...what a hunt!
https://twitter.com/MelissaBachman/statuses/396306051298902017

While hunting lions in South Africa is not illegal (with the proper permits, of course), that did nothing to quell the collective anger of the Internet. A Change.org petition prompted by the photo requests the government of South Africa "deny future entry" to Bachman, whom it accuses of being "an absolute contradiction to the culture of conservation." As of this writing, the petition had more than 150,000 signatures.

ABC News reports Bachman's lion hunt was facilitated by the Maroi Conservancy, who defended the practice in a Facebook post Saturday, noting its motto is "conservation through sustainable hunting."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/lion-hunt-melissa-bachman-south-africa-photo_n_4297780.html

Do guns make people dumber and more bloodthirsty or do they start that way?

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Lion-Hunting U.S. TV Host Has Internet In An Uproar (Original Post) onehandle Nov 2013 OP
What is the case for sustainable hunting? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #1
~23,000 lions on the planet, down from 200,000 100 years ago. nt DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #3
Well that's troubling - but how many lions are there compared to 15 years ago? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #4
I don't know the answers to your questions DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #5
At this point, what difference does it make? hatrack Nov 2013 #6
Well one answer would be that over all there is a bad situation for Lions el_bryanto Nov 2013 #8
Actually this is a good article on it el_bryanto Nov 2013 #9
if those numbers are accurate Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #11
Ethics and morals will differ ...... oldhippie Nov 2013 #14
Hunting .. RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #7
+1000. tosh Nov 2013 #12
If you would kill that you would kill a human. She's a psychopath. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #2
Another Minnesota Bachman? CanonRay Nov 2013 #10
About as despicable as this one.... tosh Nov 2013 #13
sustainable hunting? i was unaware there is such a lion overpopulation problem... dionysus Nov 2013 #15

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. What is the case for sustainable hunting?
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:22 AM
Nov 2013

You hear that in regards to hunting in the northern US, and it seems mildly convincing to me (I don't own a gun and am not at all interested in hunting) - is there a case here?

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. Well that's troubling - but how many lions are there compared to 15 years ago?
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:28 AM
Nov 2013

And are Lions being wiped out because of over-zealous hunting or because their natural hunting grounds are being taken away from them by development?

Bryant

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
5. I don't know the answers to your questions
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:36 AM
Nov 2013

I'd suspect both hunting and development are responsible. But there's no call for this person to travel from the US to kill an endangered animal. I wish the transaction had gone the other way.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
6. At this point, what difference does it make?
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:44 AM
Nov 2013

With population in free-fall, why add additional pressure through hunting?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. Well one answer would be that over all there is a bad situation for Lions
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:52 AM
Nov 2013

In a specific area there might be too many lions; lions are top end predators and need a certain amount of land and food to eat, and if there are too many in a small area than it's not sustainable.

Or that would be the argument I suspect.

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
9. Actually this is a good article on it
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:59 AM
Nov 2013

By a specialist in big cats. Basically he argues that hunting and culling can have a role, but that the formulas currently used are not very well set up and kind of all over the map.

Bryant

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
11. if those numbers are accurate
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:45 AM
Nov 2013

I would say that this hunt was a travesty and giving permits out for hunting lions is completely unethical and immoral.

What a beautiful creature he was.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
14. Ethics and morals will differ ......
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 11:06 AM
Nov 2013

... among groups and cultures.

I am a gun guy. But I don't hunt. I don't like killing animals. But I do understand why some do hunt, and kill animals. It's another one of those things where if you have to ask why, you probably wouldn't like or understand the answer.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
7. Hunting ..
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:50 AM
Nov 2013

Hunting creatures with a healthy population for food is one thing.

Hunting a majestic and endangered creature so you can take a picture of yourself with the corpse is another entirely, IMO.

People who think this is sport are sick.

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