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Aristus

(66,328 posts)
1. The only people who are required to presume his innocence or jurors and prospective jurors.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:40 PM
Nov 2013

I'll presume his guilt all I want...

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
4. Yeah...isn't it?
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:51 PM
Nov 2013

As I said, pure as the driven snow...

Counselor, I am well-aware of everyone's rights. I for one, believe that he is a low-life miscreant. That is my right.

Here on DU, I was among those who understood that he would probably be acquitted. In this case, considering a deliberately mishandled prosecution, he was entitled to that verdict. I understand that and appreciated that fact.

He is somewhere between murders right now...we will just have to sit back and wait.

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
5. Zimmerman got the presumption of innocence ...
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:08 PM
Nov 2013

… and Martin got the presumption of guilt.
Zimmerman got off by saying that we can't prove he wasn't attacked and afraid for his life.
In doing so, he does not have to prove his accusation of assault by Martin. Zimmerman didn't even testify.
In effect, the prosecution had to defend Martin but without the assumption of Martin's innocence.
The defense was actually a prosecution of Martin (armed with a sidewalk) for assault.
The burdens of proof is entirely misplaced.
I think there should be two trials in cases like this. One to determine who killed whom and a subsequent proceeding to hear an appeal for self defense.
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There is no doubt that Zimmerman killed Martin. Once that has been established (with an assumption of innocence) and the killer wants to make a special appeal based on extenuating circumstances (self-defense) it should be up to the killer to support his claim under burden of proof and not under the assumption that the killing was justified.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
6. Yes...
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:40 PM
Nov 2013

and often, the news media with their talking heads are guilty of that in extremis. In this case, the Prosecution themselves submarined their own case numerous times, and were clearly thrilled that he got off. Recall the smiling face of the DA...

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
8. I'm not required to presume anything of the sort. Only the justice system and jurors
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 04:05 PM
Nov 2013

specifically have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

IMHO he's guilty of every single thing he's ever been accused of, let alone charged with.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
9. I believe he did all those things which they say he did...
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 04:10 PM
Nov 2013

I also believe that the prosecution threw the case last time...

that was the intent of my OP...I apologize if it were not clear.

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