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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWHITE HOUSE PETITION to release all JFK assassination documents
This would put to rest (or confirm) all the various conspiracy theories.
It's been 50 years since JFK's assassination--but even though Congress unanimously passed the JFK Act in 1992, to release all the assassination files, the CIA, FBI, and other agencies continue to withhold important files. The National Archives refuses to say how many pages of files remain unreleased.
They should ALL be released. This includes godfather Carlos Marcello's JFK confession to the FBI; 1963 CIA files about Agency personnel who confessed their roles in JFK's murder; the George Joannides files; and files about attempts to assassinate JFK in Tampa (11-18-63) and Chicago (11-2-63).
Abraham Bolden, the first black presidential Secret Service agent, was framed by the Mafia when he tried to tell Warren Commission staff about the Chicago and Tampa attempts. He should be pardoned.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-all-jfk-assassination-files-now-and-pardon-ex-secret-service-agent-abraham-bolden/QGPpk18V
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the petition and pass it around to everyone I know. Your comment makes zero sense, just fyi.s
This issue will not go away no matter how hard the minority who want it to, wish for it. The more people see attempts to mock, demean, joke about those who do not believe the 'official CT' the more people believe we need to find out why they are so desperate to silence people. I used to believe the official 'theory' until I saw the huge effort to stop people from talking about it.
Therefore I encourage The Deniers to keep doing what they are doing, that alone has only helped to increase the number of people who do not believe the 'Official CT'.
Thanks for you contribution
Almost 80 sigs so far...now to just hold my breath until the release...
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)n/t
Berlum
(7,044 posts)I always like to do whatever I can to help move things forward, even if it is a small thing.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)but I'm wondering how much evidence was destroyed.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)they wouldn't throw away such a valuable commodity
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)to see if Oswald was sheepdeeped to russia,
his mother visited him in Japan but was not the same woman
His flight paid for by the State Department back to the States for him and his wife and no follow up.
The Mexico visit by him or his double
Who paid him in new orleans...for such display of appearance on the media.
All of these are CIA files and they never be released
they won.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)I've never heard this one. Got a link or links where I can read about it. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to google it myself)
Drale
(7,932 posts)If all this is in the CIA files and they've never been released, how do you know about it my friend? Are those files right next to the ones that say that W orchestrated 9/11 and the ones about the fake moon landing? Hmmmmm
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)door. He did lie to the people about Iraq as he was told to do. And he is directly responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including thousands of our own troops. He also stopped an investigation into 9/11 until public pressure became so strong they finally relented and put up a show for the public.
But please do not give credit to Bush for anything that requires more than reading a few lines, and even that he was unable to do without making comical errors.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)They would claim docs are forged (which they already do about photos and docs already made public).
What many Dems who are JFK CT'ers have a hard time seeing is they are acting precisely the way Tea Party birthers react to Obama's birth certificate.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Happy that secrets are kept from us?
Support of keeping the Truth from the People is anti-American. And a shameful display of hatred.
Go ahead, try to explain why it is not hateful.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You've made a wonderfully self-fulfilling prophecy with that one...
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)And run with it. Whereas if I had kept quiet and all docs were released...I'm sure the CZt folks would have said,"you know? It looks legit. I guess I'll drop my 30 year campaign to say there was a conspiracy."
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)What kind of lone nut type vehemently denies doing it? He looked and acted like a man who knew he'd been set up - up to when he was, incredibly, snuffed before he ever left the police station.
It seems Dallas was try #3 - after plans gone bad in Chicago and Miami in the weeks before everything was greased in Texas. All the way to getting the limo to almost stop on that last turn.
There is no underestimating the impact of not only the JFK murder, and also RFK and MLK within five years. 3 leading liberals blown away.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Let's see: what murderer ever denies having committed the crime? Why, no one. That's why we don't even have murder trials anymore. Killers confess the second they're caught.
You're right, there's no underestimating the way the nutty JFK CTs have served to erode the peoples' trust in their government. Republicans love that!
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Nevermind MKULTRA
The CIA would never hire X Nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The U.S. has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.
2 During the Cold War
2.1 Communist states 194489
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953 <---free HULU documentary. A real look at a real coup
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 195570s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 196065
2.9 Iraq 196063
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 197073
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 197989
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 198081
2.19 Nicaragua 198190
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 198095
2.21 Angola 1980s
2.22 Philippines 1986
3 Since the end of the Cold War
3.1 Iraq 199296
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 200203
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006present
3.7 Somalia 200607
3.8 Iran 2005present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U.S._regime_change_actions
"The CIA only does wet work in foreign lands"
and Americans tolerate these atrocities. What goes 'round...
Tick Tock
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)"As for Oswald, I don't know if he was a hero in all this or not."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2232672
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Rush to Judgment - documentary by Oswald's attorney, Mark Lane
Most pertinent in response to your post starts at 1:21:14 through 1:36:07
stopbush
(24,396 posts)According to Wikipedia: "Lane applied to the Warren Commission to represent the interests of Lee Harvey Oswald, but the Commission rejected his request. Three months later Walter E. Craig, president of the American Bar Association, was appointed by the Commission to represent the interests of Oswald. Craig himself stated that he was not counsel for Oswald; and official records do not indicate that Craig or his associates named, cross-examined, or interviewed witnesses of their own. Lane continued to search for clues for Oswald's innocence. He was called to testify before the Commission but was not permitted to cross-examine witnesses."
It doesn't help to make things up, at least at DU where you're going to get fact checked.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)See post #24
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Oops! You are wrong again!!!
stopbush
(24,396 posts)The FACT is that the WC DID NOT ACCEPT Mark Lane as the lawyer representing Oswald. Ergo, he never acted as "Oswald's lawyer."
How hard is that to comprehend?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thank Mark Lane for that film and all the interviews it contains, seeing how Lee Bowers and many others didn't live long enough to see their stories get ignored by the History Channel and the rest of Corporate McPravda this week.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)No it wouldn't!
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)but hey.....5000 pages will not be read now until I die if then and that's 75 years after the fact.
Imagine the power of the CIA by then?
The CIA certainly hasn't been curtained since his death except for the Church committee which gave us FOIA which is now almost useless as compared to when it started.
How many levels of secrecy or classified do you know of?
My DAD knew.
What did Reagan say ?
Trust but verify......
This isn't CT its the issue of transparency.
Oh no.... we might expose a CIA agent from the late 50s........the soviets might find out...
Release the CIA files.
.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)citizenbfk
(16 posts)Before I discovered your petition, motivated by the 50 Anniversary, I started a similar petition.
NUMBER 1. -- Folks should sign YOUR petition.
NUMBER 2. -- Why not also sign mine (it's one advantage is having more days left)
NUMBER 3 -- It's damn disgraceful how people won't lift a finger to do anything, but seem to just love to bitch.
These petition are SIMPLE AND EASY TO DO, and they mandate at least a response from the White House.
I know 'castigating' folks is not the best way to encourage action, but it's pathetic to see how few will a) try to identify effective action and b) do ANYTHING about issues.
Yea....Anyhow...we need about 99,000 people to do something. Anyone out there?
If so, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES COMMON SENSE AND A STANDARD OF COMMON JUSTICE -- we can do a little bit ...On this 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John Kennedy there's still a strong grip to hide the evidence and truth behind that crime, that murder --- Right now there is now a White House petition about it. We have 30-days to get 100,000 signatures -- Please Share & Sign - http://wh.gov/lKCZT
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)finally and stop questioning this event, should be behind this.
Why not? Yes, obviously, Oswald just up and did it all by himself and had no odd connections to intelligence agencies or anything else, duh, silly, take off your tinfoil hat and shut! up! already! Because WE TOLD YOU WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
So, sure. Release all the docs. Nothing to see, right?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Release them all!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Transparency is a good thing.
Personally, I'd be especially curious to find out exactly what the fuck went down in Mexico City. Oswald's tax returns could be fascinating, too.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/biographies/oswald/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Some here are just clowning around. They are happy we don't know all about Oswald or know all the hidden secrets. If we did they couldn't be clowns any longer.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Now, you call them "clowns"?
Well I guess that's an improvement...
Be Free to take baby steps!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4079231
zappaman
(20,606 posts)No matter how embarrassing it is!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Senator Vitter.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Bush and Cheney's. Et al.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Period.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Absofuckinglutely!
And contrary to the opinion of some here, I think most DUers would agree.
I also don't think DU is full of "assholes" or "clowns"
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's the technical term.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Absolutely.
And unlike you, not only do I NOT think DU is full of "assholes" and "clowns", but most, if not all of DU would want full transparency on everything!
But, you can Be Free to have your own opinion...no matter how ridiculous it is!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Freeing_the_JFK_Files
& Rec !!!
Owl
(3,641 posts)solarhydrocan
(551 posts)might cause the whole damn sweater to unravel