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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:12 PM Nov 2013

WHITE HOUSE PETITION to release all JFK assassination documents

This would put to rest (or confirm) all the various conspiracy theories.

Release all of the JFK assassination files now and pardon ex-Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden.

It's been 50 years since JFK's assassination--but even though Congress unanimously passed the JFK Act in 1992, to release all the assassination files, the CIA, FBI, and other agencies continue to withhold important files. The National Archives refuses to say how many pages of files remain unreleased.

They should ALL be released. This includes godfather Carlos Marcello's JFK confession to the FBI; 1963 CIA files about Agency personnel who confessed their roles in JFK's murder; the George Joannides files; and files about attempts to assassinate JFK in Tampa (11-18-63) and Chicago (11-2-63).

Abraham Bolden, the first black presidential Secret Service agent, was framed by the Mafia when he tried to tell Warren Commission staff about the Chicago and Tampa attempts. He should be pardoned.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-all-jfk-assassination-files-now-and-pardon-ex-secret-service-agent-abraham-bolden/QGPpk18V
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WHITE HOUSE PETITION to release all JFK assassination documents (Original Post) yurbud Nov 2013 OP
Uff Da! I'm sure President Obama will get right on this. MineralMan Nov 2013 #1
No he won't. Did someone say anything about the President? I will certainly sign sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #33
Signed Berlum Nov 2013 #2
Be prepared to pass out from holding your breath. Boomerproud Nov 2013 #42
Yup. For sure. It's not much, but better than doing nothing... Berlum Nov 2013 #43
I signed it... Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #3
politicians love having dirt on each other as a bargaining chip yurbud Nov 2013 #4
The CIA files are the key and they will never be released. Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #7
"his mother visited him in Japan but was not the same woman" johnp3907 Nov 2013 #15
Hmm I wonder Drale Nov 2013 #26
Bush did not orchestrate 9/11. He could not negotiate his way off the stage through the right sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #34
And that would be the constant refrain from CT'ers if all docs were released Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
Good points eom stopbush Nov 2013 #9
Hate of the People? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #20
You've made a wonderfully self-fulfilling prophecy with that one... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #12
You are right. Because I mentioned it, now the CT folks will take my idea Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #13
#83 bahrbearian Nov 2013 #5
Oswald The Patsy colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #8
Making excuses for the bastard that killed JFK. Disgusting. stopbush Nov 2013 #10
Conspiracies only happen in other countries like Chile and Iran not here Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #11
+ ~32 solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #48
So Oswald didn't kill the police officer? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #14
Oswald may have been a hero... zappaman Nov 2013 #17
Probably not. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #19
Mark Lane was Oswald's attorney??? Whose ass did you pull that one out of? stopbush Nov 2013 #22
Holy crap! zappaman Nov 2013 #23
Better save that facepalm for yourself. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #25
Oh no!!! January 14, 1964 - Marguerite Oswald retains NY lawyer Mark Lane to represent her late son avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #24
Everyone who knows anything about the assassination is aware of that video. stopbush Nov 2013 #27
Thank you, avaistheone1! Octafish Nov 2013 #32
This would put to rest all the various conspiracy theories. zappaman Nov 2013 #16
The CIA files would help Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #18
My "conspiracy theory" comment was a way to get those who believe the official narrative to sign yurbud Nov 2013 #21
YES - RELEASE ALL THE EVIDENCE. citizenbfk Nov 2013 #28
The folks on DU who are spittle-flinging mad that everyone won't shut up and accept the WCR 100% Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #29
Yep! zappaman Nov 2013 #30
Glad everyone is on the same page. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #31
Don't be fooled RobertEarl Nov 2013 #35
First you call DUers "assholes"? zappaman Nov 2013 #37
EVERYTHING should be released. zappaman Nov 2013 #36
That's exactly how I feel about Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #38
How about the secret 9/11 testimonies? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #39
I am pro-transparency. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #44
+100! n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #45
Clownholes. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #47
LOL zappaman Nov 2013 #52
Yep. zappaman Nov 2013 #46
Yes... Free The Files !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #40
Why the heck is any of this non-public? I don't understand. Owl Nov 2013 #41
Pulling on the wrong thread solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #49
Signed. 254 as of my signing. ancianita Nov 2013 #50
It's done! defacto7 Nov 2013 #51
Done nt Harvest guy Nov 2013 #53
295 yurbud Nov 2013 #54
LOL, I will not sign this because the one armed man did it! nt Logical Nov 2013 #55
thanks for kicking it to the top of the forum anyway. yurbud Nov 2013 #56

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. No he won't. Did someone say anything about the President? I will certainly sign
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:32 PM
Nov 2013

the petition and pass it around to everyone I know. Your comment makes zero sense, just fyi.s

This issue will not go away no matter how hard the minority who want it to, wish for it. The more people see attempts to mock, demean, joke about those who do not believe the 'official CT' the more people believe we need to find out why they are so desperate to silence people. I used to believe the official 'theory' until I saw the huge effort to stop people from talking about it.

Therefore I encourage The Deniers to keep doing what they are doing, that alone has only helped to increase the number of people who do not believe the 'Official CT'.

Thanks for you contribution

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
43. Yup. For sure. It's not much, but better than doing nothing...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:37 AM
Nov 2013

I always like to do whatever I can to help move things forward, even if it is a small thing.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
4. politicians love having dirt on each other as a bargaining chip
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:14 PM
Nov 2013

they wouldn't throw away such a valuable commodity

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
7. The CIA files are the key and they will never be released.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:27 PM
Nov 2013

to see if Oswald was sheepdeeped to russia,

his mother visited him in Japan but was not the same woman

His flight paid for by the State Department back to the States for him and his wife and no follow up.

The Mexico visit by him or his double

Who paid him in new orleans...for such display of appearance on the media.

All of these are CIA files and they never be released

they won.

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
15. "his mother visited him in Japan but was not the same woman"
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:08 PM
Nov 2013

I've never heard this one. Got a link or links where I can read about it. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to google it myself)

Drale

(7,932 posts)
26. Hmm I wonder
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:25 PM
Nov 2013

If all this is in the CIA files and they've never been released, how do you know about it my friend? Are those files right next to the ones that say that W orchestrated 9/11 and the ones about the fake moon landing? Hmmmmm

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. Bush did not orchestrate 9/11. He could not negotiate his way off the stage through the right
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:38 PM
Nov 2013

door. He did lie to the people about Iraq as he was told to do. And he is directly responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including thousands of our own troops. He also stopped an investigation into 9/11 until public pressure became so strong they finally relented and put up a show for the public.

But please do not give credit to Bush for anything that requires more than reading a few lines, and even that he was unable to do without making comical errors.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
6. And that would be the constant refrain from CT'ers if all docs were released
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:24 PM
Nov 2013

They would claim docs are forged (which they already do about photos and docs already made public).

What many Dems who are JFK CT'ers have a hard time seeing is they are acting precisely the way Tea Party birthers react to Obama's birth certificate.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
20. Hate of the People?
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:13 PM
Nov 2013

Happy that secrets are kept from us?

Support of keeping the Truth from the People is anti-American. And a shameful display of hatred.

Go ahead, try to explain why it is not hateful.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. You've made a wonderfully self-fulfilling prophecy with that one...
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:01 PM
Nov 2013

You've made a wonderfully self-fulfilling prophecy with that one...

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
13. You are right. Because I mentioned it, now the CT folks will take my idea
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:03 PM
Nov 2013

And run with it. Whereas if I had kept quiet and all docs were released...I'm sure the CZt folks would have said,"you know? It looks legit. I guess I'll drop my 30 year campaign to say there was a conspiracy."

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
8. Oswald The Patsy
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:52 PM
Nov 2013

What kind of lone nut type vehemently denies doing it? He looked and acted like a man who knew he'd been set up - up to when he was, incredibly, snuffed before he ever left the police station.

It seems Dallas was try #3 - after plans gone bad in Chicago and Miami in the weeks before everything was greased in Texas. All the way to getting the limo to almost stop on that last turn.

There is no underestimating the impact of not only the JFK murder, and also RFK and MLK within five years. 3 leading liberals blown away.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
10. Making excuses for the bastard that killed JFK. Disgusting.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:56 PM
Nov 2013

Let's see: what murderer ever denies having committed the crime? Why, no one. That's why we don't even have murder trials anymore. Killers confess the second they're caught.

You're right, there's no underestimating the way the nutty JFK CTs have served to erode the peoples' trust in their government. Republicans love that!

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
48. + ~32
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:28 AM
Nov 2013
The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change&quot without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The U.S. has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

2 During the Cold War

2.1 Communist states 1944–89
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953 <---free HULU documentary. A real look at a real coup
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 1955–70s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
2.9 Iraq 1960–63
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 1970–73
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 1979–89
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 1980–81
2.19 Nicaragua 1981–90
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 1980–95
2.21 Angola 1980s
2.22 Philippines 1986

3 Since the end of the Cold War

3.1 Iraq 1992–96
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 2002–03
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006–present
3.7 Somalia 2006–07
3.8 Iran 2005–present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012–present

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U.S._regime_change_actions


"The CIA only does wet work in foreign lands"

and Americans tolerate these atrocities. What goes 'round...

Tick Tock
 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
19. Probably not.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:04 PM
Nov 2013


Rush to Judgment - documentary by Oswald's attorney, Mark Lane

Most pertinent in response to your post starts at 1:21:14 through 1:36:07

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
22. Mark Lane was Oswald's attorney??? Whose ass did you pull that one out of?
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:45 PM
Nov 2013

According to Wikipedia: "Lane applied to the Warren Commission to represent the interests of Lee Harvey Oswald, but the Commission rejected his request. Three months later Walter E. Craig, president of the American Bar Association, was appointed by the Commission to represent the interests of Oswald. Craig himself stated that he was not counsel for Oswald; and official records do not indicate that Craig or his associates named, cross-examined, or interviewed witnesses of their own. Lane continued to search for clues for Oswald's innocence. He was called to testify before the Commission but was not permitted to cross-examine witnesses."

It doesn't help to make things up, at least at DU where you're going to get fact checked.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
24. Oh no!!! January 14, 1964 - Marguerite Oswald retains NY lawyer Mark Lane to represent her late son
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013


Oops! You are wrong again!!!



stopbush

(24,396 posts)
27. Everyone who knows anything about the assassination is aware of that video.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:32 PM
Nov 2013

The FACT is that the WC DID NOT ACCEPT Mark Lane as the lawyer representing Oswald. Ergo, he never acted as "Oswald's lawyer."

How hard is that to comprehend?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Thank you, avaistheone1!
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:19 PM
Nov 2013

Thank Mark Lane for that film and all the interviews it contains, seeing how Lee Bowers and many others didn't live long enough to see their stories get ignored by the History Channel and the rest of Corporate McPravda this week.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
18. The CIA files would help
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:26 PM
Nov 2013

but hey.....5000 pages will not be read now until I die if then and that's 75 years after the fact.

Imagine the power of the CIA by then?

The CIA certainly hasn't been curtained since his death except for the Church committee which gave us FOIA which is now almost useless as compared to when it started.

How many levels of secrecy or classified do you know of?

My DAD knew.

What did Reagan say ?



Trust but verify......
This isn't CT its the issue of transparency.

Oh no.... we might expose a CIA agent from the late 50s........the soviets might find out...

Release the CIA files.





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citizenbfk

(16 posts)
28. YES - RELEASE ALL THE EVIDENCE.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 07:28 PM
Nov 2013

Before I discovered your petition, motivated by the 50 Anniversary, I started a similar petition.

NUMBER 1. -- Folks should sign YOUR petition.

NUMBER 2. -- Why not also sign mine (it's one advantage is having more days left)

NUMBER 3 -- It's damn disgraceful how people won't lift a finger to do anything, but seem to just love to bitch.

These petition are SIMPLE AND EASY TO DO, and they mandate at least a response from the White House.

I know 'castigating' folks is not the best way to encourage action, but it's pathetic to see how few will a) try to identify effective action and b) do ANYTHING about issues.

Yea....Anyhow...we need about 99,000 people to do something. Anyone out there?

If so, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES COMMON SENSE AND A STANDARD OF COMMON JUSTICE -- we can do a little bit ...On this 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John Kennedy there's still a strong grip to hide the evidence and truth behind that crime, that murder --- Right now there is now a White House petition about it. We have 30-days to get 100,000 signatures -- Please Share & Sign - http://wh.gov/lKCZT

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
29. The folks on DU who are spittle-flinging mad that everyone won't shut up and accept the WCR 100%
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 07:34 PM
Nov 2013

finally and stop questioning this event, should be behind this.

Why not? Yes, obviously, Oswald just up and did it all by himself and had no odd connections to intelligence agencies or anything else, duh, silly, take off your tinfoil hat and shut! up! already! Because WE TOLD YOU WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

So, sure. Release all the docs. Nothing to see, right?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
31. Glad everyone is on the same page.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 07:40 PM
Nov 2013

Transparency is a good thing.

Personally, I'd be especially curious to find out exactly what the fuck went down in Mexico City. Oswald's tax returns could be fascinating, too.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/biographies/oswald/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/



 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
35. Don't be fooled
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:52 PM
Nov 2013

Some here are just clowning around. They are happy we don't know all about Oswald or know all the hidden secrets. If we did they couldn't be clowns any longer.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
45. +100! n/t
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:59 AM
Nov 2013

Absofuckinglutely!
And contrary to the opinion of some here, I think most DUers would agree.
I also don't think DU is full of "assholes" or "clowns"

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
46. Yep.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:01 AM
Nov 2013

Absolutely.
And unlike you, not only do I NOT think DU is full of "assholes" and "clowns", but most, if not all of DU would want full transparency on everything!

But, you can Be Free to have your own opinion...no matter how ridiculous it is!

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