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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:28 PM Nov 2013

Marijuana with a side of ibuprofen: Buzz-killing Rx for Alzheimer's?

As a drug, marijuana has certain effects and, depending on why you're taking it, some side effects. And not everyone wants the whole package. New research finds that for patients who consider weed's buzz an unwanted side effect, the answer might be as simple as taking an ibuprofen with their tetrahydrocannibinol (or THC).

A study published Thursday in the journal Cell both demonstrates and explains why common anti-inflammatory drugs, including ibuprofen and the prescription analgesics indomethacin and celecoxib (marketed as Celebrex), appear to kill marijuana's buzz and suppress its negative effects on cognition. In so doing, the research may clear the way for marijuana to play a growing role in treating Alzheimer's disease and other neurodegenerative conditions.

If you want to get high, weed's ability to mellow you out is the desired effect. But with regular use, marijuana stunts the growth of the tendrils that lash brain cells together and impairs memory and cognitive processing speed. That package of effect-and-side-effect appears to be inseparable.

But marijuana also has a not-so-widely known effect: it calms inflammation in the brain — a hallmark of several neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer's dementia, multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's disease. The problem is that for patients who might benefit from marijuana's inflammation-dampening effect, both the high and its downstream impact on brain cells and memory are distinctly unhelpful.

That package of effect-and-side-effect, it turns out, can be separated, and the unwanted side effect can be suppressed by inhibiting the induction of cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2), a complex neurochemical process usually set off by inflammation. To their surprise, the researchers found that the THC in marijuana actually increases the COX-2 process — a finding that would suggest it has both inflammatory and anti-inflammatory effects on the brain.

Add a COX-2 inhibitor to the mix — or even a non-selective COX inhibitor such as ibuprofen — and the anti-inflammatory effects of THC remain. The "buzz," the lethargy and negative cognitive effects of long-term use, however, are extinguished.


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-marijuana-ibuprofen-alzheimers-buzzkill-20131121,0,7844486.story#ixzz2lUyYmQgC

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Marijuana with a side of ibuprofen: Buzz-killing Rx for Alzheimer's? (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 OP
Welcome news indeed. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #1
I love ibuprofen Faux pas Nov 2013 #2
Cannibinoids Already Inhibit Advanced Alzheimer's Better Than Current RXs! TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #3
Welcome to DU. Rozlee Nov 2013 #11
thank you for the welcome TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #15
I'll take mine straight, make it a double. bahrbearian Nov 2013 #4
Can they just cut the effects doen to a mild buzz? DJ13 Nov 2013 #5
The cannabis you consumed in the 1980's is likely very different from the strains today...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #6
My thoughts Aaron8418 Nov 2013 #7
Has anyone noticed lately that all the new literature has 'come up with new ways to suppress the Hestia Nov 2013 #9
They say nicotine can prevent Alzheimers too. ErikJ Nov 2013 #8
Cool madokie Nov 2013 #10
Or just get a high CBD/low THC strain n/t eridani Nov 2013 #12
Skip Ibuprofen.. Use Magnesium Oil otohara Nov 2013 #13
how do you make yours please? n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #14
Here otohara Nov 2013 #17
thanks. n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #18
Welcome news. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #16

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
1. Welcome news indeed.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:37 PM
Nov 2013

Now if we can just get recreational use legalized everywhere and make the Feds back off, things will be a whole lot better.

Faux pas

(14,665 posts)
2. I love ibuprofen
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:50 PM
Nov 2013

and marijuana. My mom died of alzheimer's so maybe there's hope that I won't get it too.

Thanks for sharing Jesus Malverde!

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
3. Cannibinoids Already Inhibit Advanced Alzheimer's Better Than Current RXs!
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:53 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2562334/

Abstract
Alzheimer's disease is the leading cause of dementia among the elderly, and with the ever-increasing size of this population, cases of Alzheimer's disease are expected to triple over the next 50 years. Consequently, the development of treatments that slow or halt the disease progression have become imperative to both improve the quality of life for patients as well as reduce the health care costs attributable to Alzheimer's disease. Here, we demonstrate that the active component of marijuana, ?9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), competitively inhibits the enzyme acetylcholinesterase (AChE) as well as prevents AChE-induced amyloid ?-peptide (A? aggregation, the key pathological marker of Alzheimer's disease. Computational modeling of the THC-AChE interaction revealed that THC binds in the peripheral anionic site of AChE, the critical region involved in amyloidgenesis. Compared to currently approved drugs prescribed for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease, THC is a considerably superior inhibitor of A? aggregation, and this study provides a previously unrecognized molecular mechanism through which cannabinoid molecules may directly impact the progression of this debilitating disease.

Keywords: Cannabinoids, Alzheimer's disease, Acetylcholinesterase

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
11. Welcome to DU.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 06:44 PM
Nov 2013

I'd be willing to try anything. My husband has been deteriorating fast since his diagnosis and hasn't been able to tolerate the main families of Alzheimers drugs. Their side effects have either upset his digestive tract too badly or caused paradoxical reactions that made his confusion worse. I think they're bogus anyway. I've read the pharmaceutical hype, but conversation boards in Alzheimer's forums from caregivers and family members aren't very encouraging. They don't report very good results in patients even when they've tolerated the drugs in most cases.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
15. thank you for the welcome
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:22 PM
Nov 2013

We're lucky here in CO: we have written our laws into the state Constitution, which allows us a measure of protection from prosecution for personal cultivation and use. It is insane to think that others can go to prison for ridiculous sentences for the same actions I enjoy every day.

If you can, you should consider learning how to make easy-to-eat cannabis edibles for regular ingestion. There are many guides and cookbooks available now and ingestion solves most of the possible health problems related to smoking.

Cannabinoids are neuro-protectants! (http://www.jneurosci.org/content/25/8/1904.abstract) For over a decade in peer reviewed studies cannabinoids have been proven safe and effective for an incredible variety of serious health problems; thankfully, more people than ever are becoming aware of it.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
5. Can they just cut the effects doen to a mild buzz?
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 04:07 PM
Nov 2013

I used to smoke weed, started in the late 70's, but I quit when the buzz became so strong that it was putting me to sleep, which started in the early 80's.

Aaron8418

(18 posts)
7. My thoughts
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 04:46 PM
Nov 2013

That doesn't make sense, Ibuprofen does not take away the lethargic feeling of Marijuana. If that part is taken out then yes, other than that it has no effect towards it. They have different strains that do different things, like energy, relaxation, pain, and focusing. So don't try and tell me you have discovered a brand new thing when somebody beat you to it and did it better.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
9. Has anyone noticed lately that all the new literature has 'come up with new ways to suppress the
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 06:09 PM
Nov 2013

uber scary high' that cannabis give people? Oooh, it's okay to get a buzz from alcohol, but ain't no way they're allowing us to get a buzz from cannabis. There's been several articles published lately about 'suppressing the high' feeling.

For some reason, son and daughter don't want mom or grandma to get high from cannabis but it's okay from pharmaceuticals? I don't get it at all.

Here in the hinterland's we don't get those strains that you talk about. All we get is bricked up, moldy, street corner stuff. Every once in awhile some goes stuff gets through. State Police and DEA are really pulling people over on the freeways to make sure cannabis doesn't migrate to us or to the East Coast.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
13. Skip Ibuprofen.. Use Magnesium Oil
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

Transdermal Magnesium Therapy.

Magnesium helps dissolve calcium buildup - that little pineal gland in your head gets all calcified as we age. My memory has never been better, using Mag oil for 2 years and will the rest of my life. I make my own - so cheap. It also go rid of my throw-up hyperventilating migraines - more energy, the benefits are amazing. Ibuprofen will kill your stomach.

Memory Function

Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers reported an exciting new role for magnesium—maintaining memory function in middle age and even beyond. The research team discovered that magnesium regulates a key brain receptor essential to learning and memory.5

The authors wrote, “Our study shows that maintaining proper magnesium in the cerebrospinal fluid is essential for maintaining the plasticity of synapses. Since it is estimated that the majority of American adults consume less than the estimated average requirement of magnesium, it is possible that such a deficit may have detrimental effects, resulting in potential declines in memory function.”5

Plasticity (the ability to change) is critical to the brain’s ability to learn and remember. It is known aging or diseased brains lose plasticity. Decreased synaptic plasticity in the hippocampus (where short-term memory is stored), for example, may be the cause of forgetfulness that many of us experience as we age.

The researchers were especially interested in magnesium’s role in enhancing synaptic function. Increasing magnesium concentrations, said one of the researchers, “led to the largest increases of plasticity ever reported in scientific literature.”5 The findings suggest that a magnesium deficit may impair memory and learning ability, while a surplus or even the recommended daily allowances might improve cognitive function.

Magnesium may help support healthy memory through other mechanisms as well. Magnesium is required for the proper activity of many enzymes within brain cells that control cellular and memory functions, and also plays a role in neurotransmitter release.16 Scientists have also noted that magnesium helps speed the recovery of cognitive function following experimentally induced brain injury.17

Maintaining optimal magnesium levels might thus represent an important strategy for preventing or offsetting the memory decline that often accompanies aging.http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/may2008_Magnesium-Widespread-Deficiency-With-Deadly-Consequences_01.htm



 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
17. Here
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:29 PM
Nov 2013

My favorite brand: http://www.ancient-minerals.com/?gclid=CNK64Nme_roCFbE-Mgod_wUA5Q

1 LB bag: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Minerals-Ultra-Pure-Zechstein-MAGNESIUM-Bath-Flakes-1-65lb-/290860083984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b89cab10

Super concentrated -
1 1/2 cup distilled water
1 cup magnesium flakes
I throw in a little lotion (1/4 cup) to take the sting away - unscented - something from the health food store. They also have those glass/or plastic pump bottles - get one of those unless you have one to reuse at home.

Wait and stir once in a while until the flakes have melted ( it takes a few hours) - add lotion, shake shake shake.

Use 1 teaspoon or more twice per day - rub it on the thin skinned areas. I've been doing it for 2 years and only use
once per day now. Works great as a deodorant too and if you use on your feet before bed....ahhhhhhh...




NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
16. Welcome news.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:25 PM
Nov 2013

I have a family member who is starting to have some cognitive problems...not ready to call it the A word yet, but a little concerned.

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