The JFK Movie... (1973) Before There Was A JFK Movie...

[WillyT]

[villager]

1. Had been thinking of posting this myself...

Thanks, WillyT!

[texanwitch]

2. Good movie.

The President was a threat to a lot of people.

I can't think of a president rocking the boat since then.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. Interesting.

Bookmarking for later.

[lame54]

4. for later

[WillyT]

5. Kick !!!

[NaturalHigh]

6. Interesting...I've never heard of it.

Thanks for posting.

[WillyT]

7. That's Because They Tried To Kill It Too...

Executive Action is a 1973 film about the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, written by Dalton Trumbo, Donald Freed and Mark Lane, and directed by David Miller. Miller had previously worked with Trumbo on his film Lonely Are the Brave (1962). The film opened to a storm of controversy over the depiction of the assassination: in some places in the U.S., the film ran only 1 to 2 weeks in movie theaters or got pulled from them altogether. The movie was part fiction, but it would contest other reports of the assassination, including the controversial Warren Commission report of 1964, which led to attacks against the film. The trailers for the film never ran on certain television stations, including WNBC-TV in New York City. The criticism of the film and its suggestion of a Military-industrial complex conspiracy led to the film being removed totally from the movie theaters by early December 1973 and getting no TV/Video runs until the 1980s and mid-1990s, when it got legal release and distribution for TV and video. The film was originally released on November 7, 1973, almost two weeks before the tenth anniversary of the JFK Assassination.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Action_(film)

[NaturalHigh]

8. Dang...

Now I really do want to watch it.

[NaturalHigh]

9. BTW...I didn't bother to rec before.

But this deserves a K and R.

[sabrina 1]

12. Censorship, the poison that kills democracy. Now I will definitely watch it

and share it with as many people as possible.

Imagine if they had had the internet back then?

They were able to do these things without opposition.

But trying to censor a movie like this today?

I don't believe it would be possible.

[The Midway Rebel]

18. Censorship? Yeah, that and ignorance.

Seen this video yet?

Cold Case JFK


http://video.pbs.org/video/2365118537/

[Archae]

10. And like "JFK," is 99.999% fiction.

Ok, to be fair, I will say what is real.

Kennedy was shot and killed.

Clay Shaw was put on trial by Jim Garrison.

Everything else in both those movies was fiction.

[WillyT]

11. We Appreciate Your Concern...

Thanks.

[NaturalHigh]

14. I agree with you about Oliver Stone's JFK...

but I also agree with what arely said below. I want to see the movie now just because of the censorship forty years ago. No, for the most part, I don't agree with the CTs either, but I'll admit that I have never been convinced one way or the other.

[arely staircase]

13. I don't buy the CTs but thanks for posting

the story of the movie is interesting in and of itself. I had no idea.

[WillyT]

15. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[The Midway Rebel]

16. This is worth watching too.

If you prefer facts over fictions.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365118537/

Cold Case JFK

[WillyT]

17. When They Finally Release ALL Of The Facts... We'll Talk...

And BTW... why would the government hide files for 75 years on such an "open and shut" case ???

Why would they hide them at all ?

Loner, loser, shoots President. Easy peasy... why so queasy?

[The Midway Rebel]

19. Got a link?

For those files hidden for 75 years? Something academic or peer reviewed? Otherwise you sound paranoid.

[hootinholler]

22. Let's not get wrapped around the axle on the 75 years

There are just shy of 1200 documents that we know of that remain to be declassified and released. The JFK records act sets their release in 2017. The CIA refused releasing them for the 50th anniversary.

If Oswald was a lone wolf, why fight the release? Why stonewall (I'm being polite, I really mean lie to) both the Warren Comission and the HSCA?

[The Midway Rebel]

23. I do not know.

And much unlike CTers, I do not assume there is a conspiracy based on what I do not know.


In other words, I base my decisions and beliefs on 98% of what is known over the 2% that is unknown.

I had to train myself to do it but it was easy once I tried.

[hootinholler]

24. At first glance one might think you have an investment in containing CT

Since you use the broad brush to claim you are different from them.

It's interesting that the same 98% can lead people to wildly divergent views. I assume there was a conspiracy based not just on that same evidence, but also on additional facts published since the wrap up of the HSCA that are still coming to light.

[The Midway Rebel]

25. Yeah, in fact I do have an investment in containing CT.

I am an educator and a professional historian and I hate to see my beloved countrymen sharing their ignorance of history.

[Politicalboi]

26. Thanks, but we have been doing fine

When history tells us why JFK's secret service was called off on his car maybe we'll see your ignorance of history.

[The Midway Rebel]

27. Show me proof of that..

Video of a SSA shrugging his shoulders does not count. That is in the 2% category of shit we do not know.

[WillyT]

34. Man... It's Got A Be Lonely Out There For An... Educator...

Having been one myself... I taught my kids to not accept dogma, and to keep fighting for the truth, no matter where it leads.

To each their own I suppose;

[The Midway Rebel]

35. Wow. Passive aggressive much perfessor?

It's like you don't even try to hide it anymore.

Now I has as a sad.

[WillyT]

28. Just Because You Are Paranoid, Doesn't Mean They're Not Out To Get You...

Link: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Freeing_the_JFK_Files

[The Midway Rebel]

31. Cool then, same info as the Wiki entry above.

The remaining 2% in 2017. Not 75 years. Information is good.

[WillyT]

32. And Once Again... Why The Wait ??? - It's An Open & Shut Case Don'tcha Know ???

[The Midway Rebel]

33. I do not know.

And my mind cannot make that same leap of faith as you over the remaining 2% that says conspiracy when I already have 98% that says no such critter.

[WillyT]

37. Take A Valium... And Take A Look At The Actual Numbers... You Are WRONG...

[The Midway Rebel]

38. Better you lay off the drugs WillyT

"In November 1964, two months after the publication of its 889-page report, the Commission published twenty-six volumes of supporting documents, including the testimony or depositions of 552 witnesses and more than 3,100 exhibits. All of the commission's records were then transferred on November 23 to the National Archives. The unpublished portion of those records was initially sealed for 75 years (to 2039) under a general National Archives policy that applied to all federal investigations by the executive branch of government, a period "intended to serve as protection for innocent persons who could otherwise be damaged because of their relationship with participants in the case.” The 75-year rule no longer exists, supplanted by the Freedom of Information Act of 1966 and the JFK Records Act of 1992. By 1992, 98 percent of the Warren Commission records had been released to the public. Six years later, at the conclusion of the Assassination Records Review Board's work, all Warren Commission records, except those records that contained tax return information, were available to the public with redactions. The remaining Kennedy assassination related documents are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017, twenty-five years after the passage of the JFK Records Act."

[The Midway Rebel]

20. Disengagement much?

Here.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission

"In November 1964, two months after the publication of its 889-page report, the Commission published twenty-six volumes of supporting documents, including the testimony or depositions of 552 witnesses and more than 3,100 exhibits.[12] All of the commission's records were then transferred on November 23 to the National Archives. The unpublished portion of those records was initially sealed for 75 years (to 2039) under a general National Archives policy that applied to all federal investigations by the executive branch of government,[13] a period "intended to serve as protection for innocent persons who could otherwise be damaged because of their relationship with participants in the case.”[14] The 75-year rule no longer exists, supplanted by the Freedom of Information Act of 1966 and the JFK Records Act of 1992. By 1992, 98 percent of the Warren Commission records had been released to the public.[15] Six years later, at the conclusion of the Assassination Records Review Board's work, all Warren Commission records, except those records that contained tax return information, were available to the public with redactions.[16] The remaining Kennedy assassination related documents are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017, twenty-five years after the passage of the JFK Records Act.[17]"


tl;dr In three years, not 75, the remaining 2% will be released. Live in good health WillyT and I will see you here on DU GDP then.

[MicaelS]

40. Why would they hide the files?

Stuff that embarrasses people and organizations.

I think Oswald was just on the edge of the radar because of his erratic behavior, just enough for some files to be opened, and some legwork to be done and people in power asking and trying to figure out "What is he is really up to?", or "Who is he really working for?"

Then when he shot JFK, TPTB said a giant collective "Oh fuck, this shithead shot the President, and we're going to be blamed for it, because we didn't do something to prevent it. They're going to blame us, and our funding will be cut, some will have to be sacrificial lambs and lose their jobs and benefits and we will be shamed as failures. Let's just pretend we knew nothing, and hide, destroy or classify all the files so no one can see our failure until we're all long dead.

But, let's say so you get ALL the records open, and you find out that the CIA, FBI, USSS, and Dallas PD basically botched protecting the President. No conspiracy, simple human failures across the board, and everyone engaging in massive CYA to avoid looking like a bunch of incompetents. Would that satisfy you? Could you accept massive human error as the cause of JFK's murder?

Could you accept LHO as a desperate, pathetic, nobody who wanted to be somebody important? He wanted power, and glory. And what would be the best way to be somebody important than by Assassinating the most powerful man in the Free World? He would go down in history as something only 3 other men had done. He would be a focus of high level attention for as long as he lived. He would be interviewed almost every day. Have books, TV shows, and movies made about him. Unfortunately he didn't bargain on someone having his exact mindset, and doing to him what he did to JFK.

I truly wish he had lived, because I bet at some point he would have confessed, because he would not have been able to keep from bragging, and all this bullshit would have ended a long, long time ago.

[wildbilln864]

21. kick 4 l8ter. n/t

[zeemike]

29. Thanks for that WillyT

I had never seen that movie...and Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan play that kind of caricature so well....and oddly enough they are far from right wingers.
Kick and R for exposure.

[WillyT]

30. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[WillyT]

36. Kick !!!

[WillyT]

39. Kick !!!