Iraqi teens stoned to death for wearing 'emo' clothes ...

[spin]

Iraqi teens stoned to death for wearing 'emo' clothes

By msnbc.com staff and news services

BAGHDAD -- At least 14 youths have been stoned to death in Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shiite militants against youths wearing Western-style "emo" clothes and haircuts, security and hospital sources say.

Militants in Shiite neighborhoods where the stonings have taken place circulated lists on Saturday naming more youths targeted to be killed if they do not change the way they dress.

The killings have taken place since Iraq's interior ministry drew attention to the "emo" subculture last month, labeling it "Satanism" and ordering a community police force to stamp it out.

"Emo" is a genre of punk rock music that originated in the United States in the 1980s. Fans are known for their distinctive dress, often including tight jeans, T-shirts with logos and distinctive long or spiky haircuts.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/10/10634539-iraqi-teens-stoned-to-death-for-wearing-emo-clothes

The article does state that leading Shiite clerics oppose these murders.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

6. They're dead.

Your comment was a bit tacky.

[Mother Of Four]

31. Here's to hoping -

That you simply forgot to use the tag and weren't instead a totally clueless Jack*ss for that comment on beating kids.

[msongs]

2. religion is wonderful eh? nt

[leftyohiolib]

14. relgion didnt do this Iraq's interior ministry order the style to be crushed and their foot soldiers

followed orders

[Ruby the Liberal]

16. And you don't think this had roots in wack religious beliefs?

[Rex]

20. Well he did say emo was Satanic

but don't tell the others...this was just an act by one lone nut...series...

[leftyohiolib]

53. the article doesnt say this is a religious issue so what we "think" is of little relevance. however

i think that the leaders of that country dont care about relgion so much, its tool to oppress their people. but the article doesnt say this is due to religion and we shouldnt ass-u-me.

[Ruby the Liberal]

57. "Roots in satanism" isn't "religious"?

Strange world you live in.

[Rex]

21. Err uh...NO.

Did you miss the part about Satan? I guess so.

[leftyohiolib]

54. yes the satanic part is what he told his people as a justification for something the leader wanted

to eliminate. my guess is that it is a look that is too "western" and thats why its satanic.

[MADem]

36. You are uninformed. nt

[leftyohiolib]

52. i read the article doesnt that make me informed?

[whathehell]

22. Certainly more culture than "religion"

as if, in any case all "religions" were the same.

[CrawlingChaos]

49. This is about control

Oppression would exist with or without religion. Crack a history book.

[leftyohiolib]

55. thank-you that is how i should have said it

[Comrade Grumpy]

3. Why do emos inspire such loathing?

I'll admit to not being that up with punkoid subcultures, but I always thought they were just kind of annoying.

But I was in Mexico City a couple of years ago, and there was a spate of attacks on emos in different cities, including some murders. There was cell phone video of some emo girl getting stomped to death. Didn't have anything to do with Islam, as far as I know.

[spin]

17. Some religious people must associate the subculture with Satanism ...

Why a truly religious person who had any real understanding of their religion would decide to murder another person is beyond me.

[Justice wanted]

4. Saddam kept this bull crap from happening. Yes he was a dicator and He DID a lot of EVIL but

You didn't have this type of stuff.

[al bupp]

12. Yes, it was so much better being disappeared into his gulag for years of torture /nt

[Justice wanted]

41. I'm saying the Taliban-like mentality was NOT allowed in Iraq. I'M NOT SAYING SADDAM WAS

GOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! I'M SAYING YOU NEVER SAW SOMEONE BEING KILLED LIKE THIS

[cynatnite]

42. You didn't see it because they kept their murdering behind closed doors for the most part. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

5. They don't realize it, but the evildoers are creating a new generation of more tolerant Iraqis.

Stoning kids for being rebellious in their clothing is no way to recruit the younger generation. The kids not stoned to death will grow up and grow old, and will remember. They will likely be more tolerant than their fathers, as the hippie dippies were/are in America.

How horrible for these kids.

[Justice wanted]

8. It isn't about recruiting it is about OPPESSING. They want their point of view and ONLY their

point of view. Anyone who doesn't conform dies and that is to send fear of trying to others.

[spin]

10. I wonder how their parents or grandparents feel ...

I know that I would have been very upset if my grandson who went "goth" for a while had been murdered for his choice of clothing.

What a tragedy.

[Ecumenist]

7. What the hell?? Just for wearing "emo" clothes and haircuts?? This doesn't make any

damn sense. smdh

[Justice wanted]

9. Well, this is Iraq degrading down to Taliban level. THIS is what the Taliban does.

[Ecumenist]

11. Ain't this a mess? I am so embarrassed that my country is responsible in a

very real way for what's happening there.

[spin]

19. I agree. (n/t)

[Justice wanted]

44. Exactly! The only good thing about Saddam was the fact that he didn't let Teliban like mentality

to creep into Iraq. In fact if People are aware Iraq was very Western- like under his Dictator like Reign.

[Speck Tater]

13. Give the Christian Extremists half a chance and they will bring this delightful practice to America.

I'm sure there's a lot of people Fred Phelps would love to stone to death if he had any power or influence.

[Nye Bevan]

18. YES. When I see the congregation coming out of my local Episcopal church on a Sunday,

it's obvious that they would just LOVE to stone people to death based on their choice in clothes. These people don't fool me, with their pretend politeness and cheery demeanors. One time one of them even double-parked near the church.

[Comrade Grumpy]

23. Episcopalians are hardly "Christian extremists."

They would more likely offer the emos some tea and cupcakes.

[whathehell]

32. I believe he is being facetious.

[longship]

34. Love episcopals

I'm a long time atheist. I'm not against religious people, but I am against religion. There's always some wackaloon in every denomination who's willing to make the most nonsensical pronouncements.

But fundementalist Islam and Christianity seriously worry me. I don't know how we're going to manage to survive as a world with this total lunacy going on nearly everywhere you look.

I guess here's one solution that's been suggested:

We'll save Australia.
Don't want to hurt no kangaroo.
We'll build an all-American amusement park there.
They've got surfing, too.[/]

[Speck Tater]

35. I'm not talking about Epsicopalians.

I'm talking about the paramilitary hate groups operating under the banner of extreme fundamentalist Christianity.

I have no beef at all with mainstream Christians who are perfectly nice, perfectly normal people. It's the extremists and fanatics that scare me.

[Rex]

38. Funny that I don't believe you.

nt

[saras]

24. Not will. Have. We hold them down better, but they're still struggling. And occasionally succeed.

[whathehell]

26. Nice try

but I think not.

Politcal correctness can really take one into the realm of simple unreality.

One can grasp at the false equivalence of

Western Judaeo Christian culture with one

in which "honor killings" have only recently

become illegal with only mild penalites

but it simply won't fly.

[Justice wanted]

45. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Given the chance they would force women to only wear dresses not work

or worse.

[socialindependocrat]

15. So then, the Shiite militants are stoners?

Kind of like the irony in the repubs being the religious side but also,
the one's who believe in wars, power and the domination of the weak.

Kind of Zen, I guess.

Now, now people. This was just meant to initiate discussion....


Bazinga!!!!

You were tricked by one of my subtle attempts at humor....

[spin]

27. For some reason I feel that if the prominent religious figures of the past ...

be they myth or real would be liberal and progressive leaders today and would oppose the oppressive dominate systems that rule our world.

[HillWilliam]

25. See how well "exporting democracy" is workin' out for 'em

[spin]

29. While it might work fairly well in our nation ...

it's becoming obvious that democracy is extremely difficult to impose on any nation that does not have our heritage and history.

[GodlessBiker]

28. Religious barbarians. To think of those young lives snuffed out. Bastards.

[spin]

30. The problem with religion is religious fanatics. (n/t)

[socialindependocrat]

37. Agree - and another thought

If we can't reason with our own religious conservatives

how do we hope to reason with the religious conservatives of another country?

I think that any one who talks about religous writings as fact
is lost in a fantacy land to begin with.

Have you ever tried to reason with a schizophrenic?
It just doesn't work.
I think someone needs to study how to breaks thru their la-la logic
before we can get anywhere....

[MADem]

33. Fundamentalists....such fun!

The clerics oppose the murders because they'd rather they be forced to recant publicly and hanged from a crane for crimes against Islam...that's how THEY roll...IMO, anyway. It's not that they're pissed that these poor kids are dead, they're pissed that they didn't get to pronounce the judgment to decide how they would die.

See what al-Sadr, the Biggest Pig at The Dance, has to say about these poor teens?

In a response to questions on his website on Saturday, Muqtada al-Sadr, a Shiite cleric whose followers dominate Sadr City, described "emo" youths as "crazy and fools," but said they should be dealt with only through the law.
"They are a plague on Muslim society, and those responsible should eliminate them through legal means," he said.

This description makes them sound SO dangerous, ya? A real "plague on Muslim society..."--gimme a break:

"I saw them a couple weeks ago ... a bunch of girls, high-school aged, walking together, dressed in black. They had long black eye makeup and bracelets with skulls and chains on their handbags with skulls," said Abdullah, 31.

[Rex]

39. 'eliminate them through legal means'

And I am sure he means eliminate as in slaughter like animals and not a thousand papercuts with court documents.

[Beacool]

40. Religious fanaticism has been the cause of millions of deaths throughout history.

Poor kids, may they rest in peace.

[whathehell]

56. Yes, but so has Greed and Ideology.

[Liberal_in_LA]

43. horrific

[Quantess]

46. Fashion murders. That's what it is.

I hate fashion police.

[Iggo]

47. "The article does state that leading Shiite clerics oppose these murders"

Yeah, sure they do.

[spin]

48. True, they would rather use their legal system to execute those who choose to be different. (n/t)

[lpbk2713]

50. There's something very wrong with a religion that wants to kill people for what they are wearing.

... or for their hair style.


They are still living in the Dark Ages.

[WillyT]

51. :( ::::::

& Rec !!!

[Odin2005]

58. Fuck it, leave these barbarians alone and let them slaughter themselves.

[McCamy Taylor]

59. If I questioned the veracity of this story, would I be stoned?

Even if youths have been stoned to death in Iraq do we know for sure it was because of how they were dressed and not for some other reason, such as rival gang warfare, ethnic violence, economically motivated (i.e robbery).

"Oh those wild and crazy Muslims are soooo extreme!" is one of the MSM's favorite narratives.