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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:04 PM Nov 2013

The New John Birch Society..the Tea Party. Great column by Tampa Bay Times Robyn Blumner.

The new John Birch Society

If you've ever wondered what happened to the John Birch Society, author Claire Conner of Dunedin can tell you. The radical right-wing group that was briefly a player in national conservative politics in the 1960s is back, under a different name: tea party.

She should know. Conner's new memoir Wrapped in the Flag: A Personal History of America's Radical Right is a fascinating inside look at the Birchers in their heyday and her story packed the house last month at the Tampa Bay Times Festival of Reading at University of South Florida St. Petersburg.

True believers don't get any truer than Claire Conner's parents, who sacrificed their livelihood and even their relationship with their children in the name of the cause. Her father, Stillwell Conner, was a founding John Birch Society member in 1958 and its Midwest recruiter. As a child Claire was pressed into service and at 13 years old was the Birchers' youngest member.

....Eventually Conner, now a self-described progressive, realized "it's good when the government does things. Old people having health care (Medicare) is a good thing. Social Security is a very good thing," Conner said. Her parents didn't believe in either — though they both accepted the benefits, of course.


Something I never realized until I saw this on Twitter this week.

The John Birch Society put out a wanted poster for JFK just before he arrived in Dallas.

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The New John Birch Society..the Tea Party. Great column by Tampa Bay Times Robyn Blumner. (Original Post) madfloridian Nov 2013 OP
And guess who founded the John Birch Society. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #1
Yep, so true. madfloridian Nov 2013 #3
It all makes sense.... FarPoint Nov 2013 #31
Those fires burn hotter now... madfloridian Nov 2013 #54
Really good point here - TBF Nov 2013 #55
I believe Faox etc...are also " secret" members of FarPoint Nov 2013 #65
Koch Bros FUND the Heritage Foundation... ReRe Nov 2013 #92
See...just as I suspected. FarPoint Nov 2013 #97
You got the "t" right.... ReRe Nov 2013 #98
I'm feeling the same rant urge the more I learn about the connection FarPoint Nov 2013 #99
Along with Robert Welch and a few others...... Capt.Rocky300 Nov 2013 #21
and another billionaire from oil INdemo Nov 2013 #81
Birchers have always been a Skidmore Nov 2013 #2
I would love to read that book. madfloridian Nov 2013 #4
according to amazon.com - the release date is March 18, 2014 Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #34
I usually pre-order books there anyway. madfloridian Nov 2013 #35
Okay, found this under product details at the link. madfloridian Nov 2013 #37
I am going to try that too. I don't know why my previous order said that it would be released in Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #40
Just ordered it, no problems. madfloridian Nov 2013 #43
The Book is already out and available everywhere Amazon included lunasun Nov 2013 #72
yes, for some reason the pre-order i originally placed said that it would not be released till Mar14 Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #73
Powell's, a true blue book store ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2013 #84
I would love to read grammiepammie Nov 2013 #87
Ha! That sounds like my Mom. progressoid Nov 2013 #24
Even the Republicans called these clowns "paranoid" back then. Coyotl Nov 2013 #5
And moderate Republicans are saying that about the Tea Party. madfloridian Nov 2013 #51
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #6
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2013 #7
I'm leaving for Tampa at crack of dawn tomorrow tavernier Nov 2013 #8
I posted Parts 1 and 2 of her video about her book. She sounds fascinating. madfloridian Nov 2013 #16
She has a website. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #22
Yup, me too tavernier Nov 2013 #29
Thanks for the link to her website. madfloridian Nov 2013 #56
It always struck me as curious that the RWNJ mecca that was Dallas in 63 Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #9
The John Birch Society was lightly regarded in its day. The Tea Party is much bigger and more ... JEFF9K Nov 2013 #10
Fox News has had a dangerous impact of this country. madfloridian Nov 2013 #11
I was a kid then, but my recollection is what you said. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #45
Amazing to read the 1956 GOP platform you posted. This part stands out. madfloridian Nov 2013 #53
Yes, I was gob-smacked first time I read it. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #58
"Democrats occupying about the 1956 Republican ground" Amen to that. madfloridian Nov 2013 #60
My aunt's mother-in-law was a JBS-er. According to my aunt... Triana Nov 2013 #12
Found it at Amazon, going to order it. Link. madfloridian Nov 2013 #14
It's a good read. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #23
Just ordered it. madfloridian Nov 2013 #39
K&R FloriTexan Nov 2013 #13
Thanks madfloridian Nov 2013 #15
How many ways can you be on the wrong side of history before people say "No more!"? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #17
Very good question. madfloridian Nov 2013 #26
The JBS sponsored the republican primary venue with 'donation' from ?? Sunlei Nov 2013 #18
That's a book I want to read - thanks... polichick Nov 2013 #19
They're running all over the state now. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #20
Thank you for this post. russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #25
Most welcome. madfloridian Nov 2013 #48
K&R ReRe Nov 2013 #27
There is a third Koch brother, Bill. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #42
I did not know about him. madfloridian Nov 2013 #44
Wiki: HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #46
That "sounds" promising... ReRe Nov 2013 #49
Actually 2 more. (nt) ANOIS Nov 2013 #70
(channelling Ed McMan) I did not know that. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #71
I wasn't aware of any of that back then. madfloridian Nov 2013 #50
Hate, avarice, deceit... ReRe Nov 2013 #52
Fred Koch along with Gen.Edwin Walker and H. H. Hunt were co-founders of the INdemo Nov 2013 #83
Add to their members the idiot from Alaska: PearliePoo2 Nov 2013 #28
Full Page ad in Dallas Paper on Nov. 22 dem in texas Nov 2013 #30
And they named a plaza after Ted Dealey who hated Kennedy so. madfloridian Nov 2013 #33
Adlai Stevenson,after being hit asked the women to speak her complaint lunasun Nov 2013 #75
I did not know that about Adlai S. In TX...really? madfloridian Nov 2013 #89
Dallas City of Hate was well know dem in texas Nov 2013 #90
he was the 31st Governor of Illinois and dem candidate in '56 lunasun Nov 2013 #93
Oh yeh I knew who he was. Just didn't know he was hated so much in TX madfloridian Nov 2013 #95
I know...I just realized this last week or so. cilla4progress Nov 2013 #32
Here is Claire Conner's Twitter feed for those interested. madfloridian Nov 2013 #36
this reads exactly like like any tea party group's manifesto ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #38
Yep, the article pretty much summerizes the John Birch Society. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #41
Simply irrational hatred. madfloridian Nov 2013 #47
Interesting story. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #59
In the 1960s, my husband and I read a letter to the editor from a doctor's wife who was JDPriestly Nov 2013 #62
Flouridation is still an issue with those dingbats. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #64
K & R L0oniX Nov 2013 #57
Very interesting. madfloridian Nov 2013 #61
Exactly gopiscrap Nov 2013 #63
Claire Conner's youtube site sarchasm Nov 2013 #66
Thanks for the link. I posted Parts 1-4 in the video section. madfloridian Nov 2013 #67
Recommend jsr Nov 2013 #68
Just finished Wrapped in the Flag last week. lunasun Nov 2013 #69
Dunedin Florida Mojo2 Nov 2013 #74
I like the little dog beach at Crystal Beach. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #76
I had heard that about Dunedin. Now where I live is a whole other story. madfloridian Nov 2013 #78
K&R Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #77
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #79
We must understand history or we are destined to repeat it.. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #80
John Birchers never fade away, JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #82
..... madfloridian Nov 2013 #85
If Lee Harvey Oswald were the lone assassin of JFK and operating solely on his on volition, can indepat Nov 2013 #86
Words never spoken: "Let's work with the Birchers if we happen to agree with them on an issue." pampango Nov 2013 #88
K & R Scurrilous Nov 2013 #91
Recommend. And a Happy Thanksgiving to You, "MF"! KoKo Nov 2013 #94
Thanks KoKo madfloridian Nov 2013 #96

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
54. Those fires burn hotter now...
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:49 AM
Nov 2013

with Fox and other right wing outlets of the Republican Noise Machine spouting hatred and lies.

TBF

(32,056 posts)
55. Really good point here -
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 11:06 AM
Nov 2013

If I could make a few changes in this country I would start with:

1) Repeal all the decreases in the capital gains tax of the past 30 years

2) Double minimum wage

3) Take FOX news (which is really bad entertainment - not news of any sort) off the air.

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
65. I believe Faox etc...are also " secret" members of
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:36 PM
Nov 2013

The New and Improved John Birchers....Tea Party. Along with Heritage Foundation.

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
97. See...just as I suspected.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:42 PM
Nov 2013

These brothers are terrorist. Their convictions, the unlimited wealth, their obsessive desire to control people to comply with only their beliefs....I say this behavior resemble that of Osama Bin Laden......Think about the comparison.....

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
98. You got the "t" right....
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:02 PM
Nov 2013

I call them traitors. "Terrorists" works too. They sure do like to hide like terrorists. Actually, the JBS is a whole lot like the KKK. The KKK hid right in plain sight. When they were on one of their night cross-burning rampages, they wore those hoods so nobody would know who they were. Back after the Civil War, they were the vigilante groups who worked only under the cover of darkness and took the law into their own hands. Don't get me started on the similarities...

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
99. I'm feeling the same rant urge the more I learn about the connection
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:27 PM
Nov 2013

from JBS and now evolving through Kochs......

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. Birchers have always been a
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:06 PM
Nov 2013

whole lot of ugly. My mother rarely cursed, but she always did when Birchers were talked about on the news back then.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
4. I would love to read that book.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:10 PM
Nov 2013

Checking out where to order it. From someone who lived it...should be fascinating.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
35. I usually pre-order books there anyway.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:14 AM
Nov 2013

In many cases with novels it saves almost 10 dollars. Doubt it will in this case.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
37. Okay, found this under product details at the link.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:27 AM
Nov 2013

Hardcover: 264 pages
Publisher: Beacon Press (July 2, 2013)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 080707750X
ISBN-13: 978-0807077504
Product Dimensions: 1 x 6.7 x 9.5 inches
Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds (View shipping rates and policies)
Average Customer Review: 4.7 out of 5 stars See all reviews (74 customer reviews)

Looks like it was published in July this year. Going to try to order it and see.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
40. I am going to try that too. I don't know why my previous order said that it would be released in
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:45 AM
Nov 2013

March 2014 - but another amazon page says it is in stock. So, I'll give it a try.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
73. yes, for some reason the pre-order i originally placed said that it would not be released till Mar14
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:23 PM
Nov 2013

but I found on another page that it was already in stock and I could order it right away

grammiepammie

(59 posts)
87. I would love to read
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:33 PM
Nov 2013

This book is great. I actually got it on my kindle from Amazon. It is a real eye opener. You will thoroughly enjoy it.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
24. Ha! That sounds like my Mom.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:07 AM
Nov 2013

She is a very kind person. She rarely got upset. The two exception that I distinctly remember was when she was watching the Watergate trials and when some Bircher propaganda came in the mail.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
5. Even the Republicans called these clowns "paranoid" back then.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:22 PM
Nov 2013

Now we know, beware what the mentally ill are capable of.

tavernier

(12,386 posts)
8. I'm leaving for Tampa at crack of dawn tomorrow
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:44 PM
Nov 2013

for Thanksgiving, Maybe I should look up this brilliant lady!

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
22. She has a website.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:38 PM
Nov 2013

She had speaking engagements at several Democratic functions around the Tampa Bay area. I wanted to attend, but was out of town.

I read her book, and it sounds like I grew up in a family just like hers.


http://claireconner.com/

tavernier

(12,386 posts)
29. Yup, me too
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:41 AM
Nov 2013

But perhaps even more intense since I was a refugee from a country that had been handed over to the communists after Yalta.

No love lost between my family and FDR back then.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
56. Thanks for the link to her website.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 11:30 AM
Nov 2013

I love the quote she posts from Frank Schaeffer. He of all people would understand her life growing up.

“The John Birch Society had a huge impact on American politics. They were responsible for the lurch into insanity. The religious right, the Tea Party and the takeover of the Republican Party by extremists can’t be understood unless you understand the paranoid xenophobia Birchers injected into America. This book is about a journey through and out of that Bircher netherworld. It’s a vital piece of the puzzle to understanding the madness that overcame America and a moving story about one person’s journey back to sanity.”

Frank Schaeffer, Author of Crazy For God


http://claireconner.com/in-the-media/in-the-news/

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
9. It always struck me as curious that the RWNJ mecca that was Dallas in 63
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:49 PM
Nov 2013

was home to an avowed communist like Oswald. And out of a city of armed, anti-socialist, anti-civil rights, religiously intolerant baptists, the left wing guy with nothing to gain shoots the progressive President.

Maybe I don't drink enough.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
10. The John Birch Society was lightly regarded in its day. The Tea Party is much bigger and more ...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:50 PM
Nov 2013

... dangerous. Shows what a difference thousands of hours of free false advertising from Fox News and talk radio makes.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
45. I was a kid then, but my recollection is what you said.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:03 AM
Nov 2013

There wasn't RW radio and Fox then, so the JBS media outlets were pretty much billboards and pamphlets. I remember them. I'd say they weren't as big nationally as the Tea Party, but they did have pockets of regional support. They weren't taken very seriously, even by Republicans (who were about the same position on the scale as Third Way Dems are now). Ike would be more liberal than Obama. 1956 GOP platform:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
53. Amazing to read the 1956 GOP platform you posted. This part stands out.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:46 AM
Nov 2013
"Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."



Thanks for sharing.
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
58. Yes, I was gob-smacked first time I read it.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 11:53 AM
Nov 2013

Amazing how far right both Parties have moved since then....Democrats occupying about the 1956 Republican ground, and Republicans occupying about the John Birch Society ground. Although JBS was formed until a couple years later, in response to the "liberal" Republican establishment. Sound familiar? BTW, Chief Justice Earl Warren (much maligned by DU CTists) was a Republican appointed by Eisenhower who turn out to be uber-liberal. Many liberal rulings came from his Court.... Brown vs Board, Miranda, One Man One Vote, etc.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
60. "Democrats occupying about the 1956 Republican ground" Amen to that.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:52 PM
Nov 2013

"Democrats occupying about the 1956 Republican ground, and Republicans occupying about the John Birch Society ground."

Well said.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
12. My aunt's mother-in-law was a JBS-er. According to my aunt...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:54 PM
Nov 2013

....her MIL was the meanest, evil damn witch she ever met. Abusive as hell and controlling as hell. Treated my aunt like SHIT and controlled her husband's every move -- including their money -- finding any way and means to send it to JBS.

The stories are hideous. These people are extremist. Fearful. Ignorant. Conscienceless. Single-minded. Narrow-minded. Severe. I mean totally fascist through and through.

I HIGHLY recommend Claire Conner's book (I have it on Kindle and have read it twice). Between it and my aunt's stories of her mother-in-law the John Bircher - that's enough for me to know these people are frankly SICK.

I'm one of those who is not completely convinced Oswald killed Kennedy. But I wouldn't put it past a JBS-er to have done it -- or had it done.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
23. It's a good read.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:46 PM
Nov 2013

You also might want to get another book "Gold Warriors", by Sterling and Peggy Seagrave.

A lot of the participants in this crime were Birchers. Guys like Lansdale, and company. A shows where a lot of their funding came from.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
19. That's a book I want to read - thanks...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:29 PM
Nov 2013

I didn't realize the Koch brothers father was a founder of the John Birch Society - and that wanted poster is amazing.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
20. They're running all over the state now.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:34 PM
Nov 2013

One of them is even going to run against our Rethuglican Governor because he allowed a state health care exchange to be created!!!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
48. Most welcome.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:27 AM
Nov 2013

Interesting note...my son was at the JFK memorial in Dealey Plaza. He was thoughtful enough to bring me the Dallas Morning News Memorial edition they reprinted from 1963. Brings back lots of memories. Sad ones.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. K&R
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:32 AM
Nov 2013

Kicking so more DUers can see this. I did know that the Koch Bros dad was a cofounder (if not THE founder) of the JBS. I WAS NOT aware they were responsible for that poster seen along the route that day.

What I want to know is this: Do they have siblings that we haven't heard of? Do they have children, grand children and great grandchildren?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
42. There is a third Koch brother, Bill.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:56 AM
Nov 2013

He's conservative, but nowhere near as bad as his 2 brothers. He even sued them one time for drilling on government and indian lands without permits, etc.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
50. I wasn't aware of any of that back then.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:33 AM
Nov 2013

I never realized the hatred there toward Kennedy. I never saw that much of that in our area of Florida back then either. Today with the tea party in this area it is different. There is so much hatred.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
52. Hate, avarice, deceit...
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 03:06 AM
Nov 2013

...In combination, they are a disease that has swept this country since that fateful day 50 yrs ago. So many have died in its path, and are dying still. If we don't find a political vaccine soon, someone else will.
Then we'll all be goners.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
83. Fred Koch along with Gen.Edwin Walker and H. H. Hunt were co-founders of the
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:05 PM
Nov 2013

JBS. Its founder was retired candy maker Robert H. W Welch.
By the early 60's the membership grew to over 100,000.
The JBS headquarters was in Dallas.The treason flyer was also an insert in a Dallas newspaper as one writer noted near the time JFK was scheduled to arrive. The book depository was owned by a good friend of H.H. Hunt (I think that is correct)

I believe that Nixon and other Republicans were very close to this organization in the 60's

I have never accepted the fact that Oswald acted alone, there are just too many open ends that does not back up this facts.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
30. Full Page ad in Dallas Paper on Nov. 22
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:47 AM
Nov 2013

On Nov 22, the day Kennedy was killed, the Dallas Morning News ran a full page ad in section 1 of the paper criticizing the President. It was signed with a false a name and was later found to be paid for by the Birch Society. You can see the full page ad on display at the 6th Floor Museum. Dallas's hands are not clean in the matter of John Kennedy's death. Many of the richest people in Dallas were members and contributors of the John Birch Society. The owner of the Dallas Morning News was a super right wing and I read that he hated Kennedy and ran many editorials criticizing the president. A few years earlier, a group of republican ladies attacked LBJ and Lady Bird at a Dallas hotel, even spit on them. A few months before Kennedy was killed, some of the right wingers attacked Adlai Stevenson, hitting him over the head with a sign and also spitting on him.

The leaders of the city should have spoken out and condemned all the hate and bad behavior that was in the city, but they went along with it, even condoned it.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. And they named a plaza after Ted Dealey who hated Kennedy so.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:02 AM
Nov 2013

Glad to see they held a memorial to Kennedy in that very plaza Friday.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
75. Adlai Stevenson,after being hit asked the women to speak her complaint
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:34 PM
Nov 2013

Her answrr was something like .. " If you don't know I can't help you"
Total Palin stupid bagger talk

but yep, they beat on Adlai a few months before in TX

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
89. I did not know that about Adlai S. In TX...really?
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:32 PM
Nov 2013

How could we in other states have not known how much hate there was there? I recently heard it was then called the City of Hate. Had you heard that?

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
90. Dallas City of Hate was well know
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:45 PM
Nov 2013

President Kennedy was warned not to go to Dallas, but he wanted to go to show the hate mongers he could go in their territory. I hope other cities and groups take what happened in Dallas that day as a lesson and not just sit back and let the fanatics take over the news and events. Good people need to stand up and speak out against hate mongering, it doesn't matter where it comes from; right or left. It cannot be tolerated or we will continue to have events like this one.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
93. he was the 31st Governor of Illinois and dem candidate in '56
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:42 PM
Nov 2013

I am not from/not in Tx
Was IL history of him as UN ambassador under JFK and yes it really happened in TX

I found this with a google to show you though she saaid she was pushed in this article but talks about spitting on him and arrests
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19631026&id=HUgNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LWwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7001,4201386

*Birchers hated UN - I do not know about teabaggers and UN now but would not surprise me as conservatives in general are often anti-UN like John Bolten who served under Bush II @........ the UN

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
95. Oh yeh I knew who he was. Just didn't know he was hated so much in TX
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:22 PM
Nov 2013

That's stunning to me. I would say unfortunately that our area of FL is pretty doggoned close to that kind of hate in recent years.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
32. I know...I just realized this last week or so.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:52 AM
Nov 2013

Direct line connection - family ties (Kochs) and all.

My parents were fine liberals back in the early- to mid-20th century. They detested the JBS and taught me to follow in their footsteps!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
41. Yep, the article pretty much summerizes the John Birch Society.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:51 AM
Nov 2013

Two of their main goals were to impeach Chief Justice Earl Warren, and for the US to get out of the UN. Also, pretty much the Tea Party Platform, as the article states. I remember them from when I was a kid.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
59. Interesting story.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:16 PM
Nov 2013

Somewhat similar scene as when I saw Kennedy. It must have been about 1960, during the campaign, in New Orleans. Huge throng of people. We were about 3 rows from the curb. I was a toddler, so my father put me on his shoulders so I could see. My parents were (and still are) Republicans, but more of the Eisenhower sort. I don't know if they voted for Kennedy or Nixon, but they certainly didn't hate Kennedy. I absolutely loved JFK, and just after learning to read in 1st grade the following summer I tackled reading the book about PT 109. That was a challenge for a 6 year old, but I finished it and comprehended what I read. Several months later JFK was killed. I was heartbroken....he was my first childhood hero.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
62. In the 1960s, my husband and I read a letter to the editor from a doctor's wife who was
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:00 PM
Nov 2013

a member of the John Birch Society. She was furious about fluoridation in our water. We were very, very young and wrote her a letter as a joke. If there is a file on my somewhere, that letter is probably in it. We wrote it as a joke because the thought the woman was so crazy that she could not be taken seriously. We showed sympathy with her but made fun of her.

The people who fell for the John Birch Society propaganda were sort of idiot savants. They included professionals and wealthy people, but their rants made no sense at all. The woman we wrote to was, if I recall correctly (it's been a long time), the wife of a doctor. She could not have been all that stupid, but she actually believed the John Birch propaganda. They were so extreme it was funny. There was no balance in their beliefs.

Reagan precursors. It's going to take us a long, long time and a lot of work to heal the wounds they inflicted on our country.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
64. Flouridation is still an issue with those dingbats.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:12 PM
Nov 2013

A couple of years ago, some tea-baggers convinced the Pinellass County (St Pete/Clearwater) Commission to remove flouride from the county water system. The following election, a couple of tea-bagger commissioners lost their seats badly, and a couple others switched sides and flouride was put back in. The general concensus of county GOP was "What the hell were we thinking?" It goes to show how a very vocal, but ignorant, minority faction can steer the train off course.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
67. Thanks for the link. I posted Parts 1-4 in the video section.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nov 2013

It would have been easier to use her site than to search You Tube for each one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017160859

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
69. Just finished Wrapped in the Flag last week.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:02 PM
Nov 2013

It was excellent as it took in an area I am familiar with and I had a mentally ill relative who was involved in all this crap

She answers a lot of questions for any exposed to their propaganda.
They had for years a flyer of MLK at a "communist training camp".

In the book she lets you know he was in that picture actually at The Highlander Folk School in TN known for labor organizing and later civil rights projects....

Right now I bet some kid exposed to tea party propaganda is looking at a flyer of Obama maybe visiting a Mosque in Africa or something and the flyer( or now days an email chain letter) that says here " He is at a terroist training camp in his home country" !
yep SOS
and the followers today are still racists or mentally ill or on medication
(how could you not be?)

 

Mojo2

(332 posts)
74. Dunedin Florida
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:25 PM
Nov 2013

I live in the same city as Mrs. Conner, she can be heard at many of the democratic functions in the area, as well as at the Dunedin Library. On a side note, if you ever have the opportunity to visit Dunedin, Florida, please check it out, it is the most liberal community that I have ever resided in. The city is right on the Gulf and has one of the best state parks in the USA, Honeymoon Island. In addition, Dunedin has numerous clubs that specialize in fresh brewed craft beer. The city is also bicycle friendly with tons of trails to ride, as well as having a vibrant arts community. It is quite common to be having a freshly brewed beer at one of the local breweries around 10:00 p.m. when out of nowhere you will begin to hear bagpipers coming down the rode playing Scotland the Brave in their kilts and armor. Dunedin is well worth a visit, plus you can probably find a educational session with Mrs. Conner on the far right wackos.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
76. I like the little dog beach at Crystal Beach.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:42 PM
Nov 2013

Nice place for the dogs to take a dip, have a few cocktails, and enjoy the sunset.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
78. I had heard that about Dunedin. Now where I live is a whole other story.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 03:03 PM
Nov 2013

Talk about being surrounded by Tea Party types? Not that far from Dunedin yet another world entirely.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
86. If Lee Harvey Oswald were the lone assassin of JFK and operating solely on his on volition, can
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:31 PM
Nov 2013

anyone demonstrate conclusively that those responsible for this "Wanted for TREASON" ad were not, in fact, stochastic terrorists who directly prompted the assassination of JFK and also, that those who promote this type of hatred to this day are not likewise stochastic terrorists who are prompting others to act out violently on their hatred? If my assessment is correct, Houston, we have a problem.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
88. Words never spoken: "Let's work with the Birchers if we happen to agree with them on an issue."
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:35 PM
Nov 2013
The society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The society opposes "one world government", and it has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. They argue the U.S. Constitution has been devalued in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this alleged trend is not accidental. It cited the existence of the former Security and Prosperity Partnership as evidence of a push towards a North American Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
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