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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn Dkos:Obama just launched single-payer in America
"Did you notice? Did you see what happened when everyone was complaining about a website? Single-payer got started in America.
Vermont is using authority granted under the Affordable Care Act to start a single-payer system. Most Americans still don't know what the phrase "single-payer" even means. It had little support in Congress in 2009 and Senate "Democrats" like Nelson and Lieberman even killed the public option. But, ACA had this sweet little provision that allowed states to set up a single-payer system and now people will see it in action.
Oh I know this is hard to swallow. Obama is third-way! He's dismantling the safetynet! A corporatist! He killed the public option!
Whatever else he is, Obama is a President who acts in a thoughtful, deliberate way that the chicken little headlines of the day often miss. As many predicted, ACA is already leading to the kind of transformative progressive change Obama promised. The progressive movement will be responsible for showing the nation how well single-payer works after the Vermont system goes into effect. When public and non-profit insurance becomes the national norm, we'll know where it began."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/24/1258135/-Obama-just-launched-single-payer-in-America
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)ObamaCare, as written, forbade it. Bernie Sanders added a provision that allowed a waiver of the rules that forbade it.
The Kos comments are enlightening.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Where did you get that information from? It's not true.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)pnwmom
(108,974 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)The fluid nature is overstated, a few changes were made but the meat was what came out of the Finance committee and was ever the operative structure.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Only someone who doesn't understand the long negotiating process that allows a bill to become law thinks that the first draft--or any draft other than the one the President signs-- is controlling.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)I just think he expects we are.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)that you don't even know that single payer was instituted in Hawaii, a fact that you ought to know:
http://singlepayerny.wordpress.com/news-from-other-states-2/hawaii/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/health/policy/17hawaii.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.hawaiihealthcareproject.org/index.php/transforming-healthcare/healthcare-in-hawaii.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)Don't confuse him with facts!
He's determined to "teach" us all that Obama is BAAAAAAAAAAAD.
That's what all of his posts are about, you see. I don't think he can handle the truth!
On a more "reality based note," I see CT and other states, from your links, are working on this too. It's great news.
It won't happen overnight, but we are on our way.
cali
(114,904 posts)though Vermont is much further along in doing so.
from your link:
<snip>
In 2009, the Hawaii legislature passed a bill (Act 11 2009) to
create a Hawaii Health Authority (HHA) to design a universal
health care system covering everyone in the state, reporting to
the Legislature with actionable legislation by January 2011. Our
then Republican Governor vetoed the bill but her veto was
overridden. She refused to appoint the HHA Board and the law was
never implemented.
<snip>
http://singlepayerny.wordpress.com/news-from-other-states-2/hawaii/
Creating a single payer system is a pretty arduous and time consuming endeavor.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)against President Obama day after day after day...
But good thing, throughout this thread, he's being crushed with facts vs "his" opinions.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I forgot about that.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Simple, really. 8th grade Civics class. 100 Senators, 435 Representatives...
Everyone gets a chance to pee on the tree.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)That's a large part of the cost.
There is no such thing as an "Obamacare" bill prior to the version that passed. Up till it passed, every single piece of it was up for grabs.
elleng
(130,862 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)and in other states, with both single payer and co-ops.
They are an inextricable part of the ACA.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)for any decent single payer system.
The waiver allows states to experiment with other modes of coverage, including single payer, as long as they don't provide LESS coverage to people than is provided for in the ACA.
Don't you think that is a sensible thing? It doesn't target single-payer states -- it just gives them a bar they should have no problem jumping over. But some of the red states might have plans that would offer much less coverage than the ACA, and so the requirement for a waiver assures that their citizens will have the same protections as in other states.
This was written, of course, before they had any idea that so many states would reject free Medicaid money.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)That's good enough evidence for me.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)VA never excepted the expansion money, now that we have a Democraticed Gov. We can push for Single payer in VA
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)There is no way single payer happens under his governorship.
I am already highly skeptical that Virginia will even get the Medicaid expansion McAuliffe promised throughout his campaign.
Articles in the Washington Post the day after his election were already spewing the corporate talking points about why Virginia should not count on its happening.
McAuliffe apparently is already ruling out the idea, trumpeted during the campaign, of using the budget to do it. Instead, his administration is already making noises that they want to work cooperatively with Republicans on a deal, and it might take a long time.
Va. Medicaid expansion still faces uphill battle, even after McAuliffe win
http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/blog/2013/11/va-medicaid-expansion-still-faces.html?page=all
During the campaign, McAuliffe indicated he might try to expand Medicaid via the budget, the political equivalent of dousing all of Richmond in lighter fluid Republicans believe that would violate the law that created the 10-member commission.
Thats not the tone his transition team is sounding. Spokesman Brian Coy told me he wants to build a foundation for Medicaid expansion, work with both parties and proceed with reforms collaboratively.
Hes committed to this as long as it takes, Coy said.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)We have to demand it!
MH1
(17,595 posts)that if a single-payer bill had gotten to President Obama's desk, that he would have vetoed it.
But yet, so many DUers claim that he is anti-single payer. The one way to know for sure would have been to inspire your Congress critters to actually pass single payer. It's not like there has never, ever, in the history of this country been a bill put in front of the President that he didn't specifically ask for.
Yes, I know, "bully pulpit" and all that. But I also don't see any evidence that Obama pushing for single payer would have been successful. We have a problem in this country getting to a single-payer system, and until I see evidence that shows Obama would actually veto it, then Obama is NOT the problem.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)There is little chance of inspiring Congress to do anything.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,278 posts)that would be employing a large amount of people, say an auto assembly plant, would I want to locate it in a state where my employees would want me to provide them with health insurance, or in a state where all my employees would already have health insurance?
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)would not have favored a Single Payer System.
Oh wait, now I remember, they simply didnt want to wave the Socialist Flag around when the went out to dinner with
other Mega millionaire Republicans... Wouldnt have looked too good...Asshoals!!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)If you control the employees health care it gives you another means of leverage over their behavior.
Mr.Bill
(24,278 posts)And it's been going on for far too long.
Another thing is there are a lot of people who would retire and free up jobs for other people if they had health insurance. I live in a retirement community, and I know many people in their late 50s in this position. They either cannot afford insurance at their age or would be uninsurable if they left their jobs because of pre existing conditions. They could get COBRA for 18 months, but it's very expensive. Before my wife qualified for disability, she was in this situation for awhile.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
freshwest
(53,661 posts)pnwmom
(108,974 posts)The ACA never forbade single-payer and the poster knows this.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)The credit for that should rightly go to the people of Vermont, the Vermont legislature and the Vermont Governor. Peter Shumlin ran on single payer. The push for single payer in Vermont predates the ACA.
Obama gets some credit but he was NOT responsible for creating single payer in Vermont.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024090281
It's Obamacare.