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TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
2. When has anything like this ever worked?
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:56 AM
Nov 2013

I guess most of these people had no use for history. Well the more things change the more they remain the same. All this kind of persecution does is to make the persecuted stronger and for some give them a reason to hate the persecutors forever, leaving them with the excuse carry out atrocious acts.

And hobbit's post must be

MH1

(17,600 posts)
9. I agree, but it seems a truly totalitarian, powerful state like China can be fairly successful
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

with it.

I haven't heard much about Falun Gong lately.

I'm not sure that it's a model we want to promote, but it seems to mostly work on a technical level.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
14. If the movement was strong enough it is likely underground.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 06:22 PM
Nov 2013

The early Christians in the Roman empire literally went underground holding services in underground cemeteries, the catacombs. Religion of all sorts was virtually banned by the Soviet Union and when the USSR fell the Orthodox, Jews and Muslims reappeared.

My favorite were the Catholics of Japan. Spanish and Portuguese missionaries came to Japan and had some success. The Japanese PTB grew suspicious of this European incursion and effectively banned it starting in 1614. Many Japanese Christians was killed for their faith. It was thought they were wiped out.

In the mid 19th century European and Americans forced Japan to open up. In the port city of Nagasaki French Catholic missionaries returned building a church. Upon it's completion a group of Japanese from nearby Urakami approached one of the priests. They wanted to see a statue of Mary, to know if he was unmarried and was a priest from the Pope in Rome.

They had secretly maintained the liturgical year and baptized their young.

And then there was the 3rd Reich's attempt to eliminate Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies and others. Final Solutions never work- Unless some idiot activates a doomsday machine.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
5. Since most of the new mosques and religious organizations in Africa come with Saudi, Wahabbi $
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:02 PM
Nov 2013

and the radicalism that entails, this is not such a bad thing.

I have seen what the KSA has done in Kenya to poison the well.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
8. Did you see this - Greece: Taxpayer-Funded Mosque Planned in Athens
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:19 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4059/athens-mosque

Opponents of the mosque argue that Greek taxpayers should not be footing the bill for this project at a time when their massively indebted country is dependent upon foreign aid just to stay afloat. The Greek government appears to be worried about thinly veiled threats of violence by thousands of residents in Athens who have been pressuring government ministers to meet their demands to build a mosque or face an uprising.

"It is a very big tragedy for us Muslims that there is no mosque here. Greece produced democracy and civilization and the respect of religion, but they don't respect our Muslims to provide us with a regular, legal mosque." — Syed Mohammed Jamil of the Pakistan-Hellenic Society.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
10. Angola Denies It Banned Islam, Destroyed Mosques
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:04 PM
Nov 2013
But an official at the Angolan Embassy in Washington, D.C., who did not want to be identified discussing the sensitive matter, said that there is no such ban in place, and that the reports are erroneous.

“The Republic of Angola … it’s a country that does not interfere in religion,” the official said via telephone Monday afternoon. “We have a lot of religions there. It is freedom of religion. We have Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, Muslims and evangelical people.”

News of Angola’s supposed ban on Islam originated in the African press, which went so far as to quote the nation’s president and Minister of Culture as offering statements that suggested the premise of the reports was accurate.
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“At the moment we don’t have any information about that,” the official told IBTimes via phone on Monday. “We’re reading about it just like you on the Internet. We don’t have any notice that what you’re reading on the Internet is true.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/angola-denies-it-banned-islam-destroyed-mosques-1484898

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
12. Just what I thought. Come on DUers look a bit deeper!
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:49 PM
Nov 2013

I had a funny feeling about this story, there are so many satirical and unreliable sources these days, it pays to be careful before jumping to conclusions.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
13. I said from the start I was skeptical, but there were MANY reputable links out there
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:48 PM
Nov 2013

At least it wasn't something from the "Onion"! Ive seen that a couple times here just in the past week or so!

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