Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:49 PM Nov 2013

10 Biggest Myths About Retail Workers

http://www.alternet.org/10-biggest-myths-about-retail-workers

Myth 1: Most retail workers are teenagers or young adults who do not really need the money

Reality: The average age of a retail worker is 37 years old (pdf), and more than half of year-round retail workers contribute a significant portion (pdf) of their family's total income. For example, researchers found that a third (pdf) of New York City retail workers support at least one dependent.

Myth 2: Retail workers are unskilled

Reality: 28% of retail workers (pdf) have completed some college, and 15% have a bachelor's degree or higher. Employers have deskilled a lot of the work, but still report in surveys that they want employees with both soft and hard skills, including product knowledge, ability to relate to customers, and increasingly, familiarity with technology for assisting with online sales.

Myth 3: Retail workers may earn a low wage, but most of them are only doing the job temporarily until they move up to higher level jobs or other careers

Reality: While the retail industry has higher turnover than many industries, most retail workers stay in the industry – which means that the turnover is high for individual employers, particularly those that pay low wages and treat workers poorly. In a large national survey (pdf), about half of retail respondents said they were not very likely to try to change employers in the next year. Workers do not lack a work ethic or commitment to retail, but are often forced to look for another job that provides more hours or more predictable schedules.
14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
10 Biggest Myths About Retail Workers (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2013 OP
K&R Fumesucker Nov 2013 #1
k&r sheshe2 Nov 2013 #2
YEP RockaFowler Nov 2013 #3
Myth 10: Most retail workers want to work on holidays in order to get more pay etherealtruth Nov 2013 #4
Exactly. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #6
That is horrible etherealtruth Nov 2013 #7
Bless you heart for posting that point, etherealtruth. sheshe2 Nov 2013 #9
Yes! This can't be stressed enough. kcr Nov 2013 #11
I have a friend that works for Publix. Incitatus Nov 2013 #12
It's the kind of summary lit review article that makes my head hurt. Igel Nov 2013 #5
i can't even understand what you're saying. nt xchrom Nov 2013 #10
They are saying the statistics don't refect all the information provided Johonny Nov 2013 #14
K&R ReRe Nov 2013 #8
Mothers who are looking for something to do outside the house TBF Nov 2013 #13

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
3. YEP
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:12 PM
Nov 2013

Heck there were many of us that started our careers in the Retail business.

My husband is doing great right now in the Retail industry - Lowe's - where they hire people who have experience in Trades. My husband was a Trim Carpenter and now can give you detailed information about every inch of Lowe's. They need people like my husband there who understand how things work as a handyman (for instance)

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
4. Myth 10: Most retail workers want to work on holidays in order to get more pay
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013


Reality: Employers are not required by law to pay extra to workers working on holidays, unless that extra work puts their total work week above 40 hours. Retail workers report frustration that they have little control over their schedules, and some note that they could be penalized for refusing to work on holidays. Even if workers do get paid time and a half and holiday shifts are "voluntary," most retail workers are underemployed and need more work. Only with sustainable schedules and living wages, would the decision to work on a holiday truly be voluntary.

This completely blows the claims of some (here on DU) , that working holidays in retail is "no big deal" ... and that the workers receive "holiday pay"
 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
6. Exactly.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:24 PM
Nov 2013

When I worked at Walmart, they only paid holiday pay for people who worked full-time (34 or more hours/week). When I had to work on Thanksgiving and Black Friday, I didn't get holiday pay. I still made the same $7.85/hour as many other associates.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
7. That is horrible
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:34 PM
Nov 2013

My first career was as a nurse. i expected to work holidays ... everyone was paid "holiday" pay (Usually time and a half) and given an alternate day off as a holiday. My pay in that field was ~ 3x the amount you quoted 20 years ago. importantly, i knew I was working for a reason far more important than corporate profits.

I am really disconcerted by those that think it is "no big deal" for a Walmart (insert any retailer) worker ... to give up their holiday for very little pay and the knowledge that they are simply working to increase retail profits.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
12. I have a friend that works for Publix.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:41 PM
Nov 2013

They are closed on Thanksgiving and Christmas and they pay her a holiday bonus of 8 hours for each day. So yes, that Walmart line is BS. They could do the same thing, but they care more about making a little more profit.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
5. It's the kind of summary lit review article that makes my head hurt.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:22 PM
Nov 2013

So many details are lost in striving for the conclusion.

So take the first claim: average age is 37.

Yes. It is. But the distribution is skewed, so a disproportionate number of employees are under 28 and over 65. A smaller number in their 30s is working retail than you'd expect. The "average age is 37" is produced to show that the average employee age is younger in retail.

So the claim is true, but a very large percentage of the retail workers are younger workers. Which is what the stat is claiming to refute. Then again, there's that "who don't need the money," which simply isn't addressed. There's no good info in the source on need versus age, nor even a definition of "need" on which to base a claim.


Next claim: More than half of year-round retail workers contribute more than 50% of their family's total income.

Yes. 54% of (a) year-round retail workers (leave out temporary workers) (b) over age 20 (remember the age skew) who (c) work for large employees (leave out smaller, non-chain stores) contribute at least 50% of their family's total income (one wonders if this is just earned income--no definition provided).

With the caveats that were left out, is the claim still true? Doesn't matter. It's that kind of article. It preachers to the choir, who don't really much notice if the minister says he cites II Galatians or Matthew 30:12.

And on it goes.

Johonny

(20,850 posts)
14. They are saying the statistics don't refect all the information provided
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 06:02 PM
Nov 2013

For instance by using an average age they are creating a misleading vision of the typical worker. This is because most people assume a normal distribution around the average. However when the statistics don't have a normal distribution then using the average can be misleading. Take a case in point. Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen with 10 homeless people inside. The average net worth in the room is over a billion dollars. But the average is meaning less to tell you anything about the typical person in the room. The vast majority of people in the room are broke. The writer is claiming the distribution of ages is skewed to the young and the old. Thus the typical worker is not 37 years old even if the average is. In this case the average is not a good representation of the age distribution and can lead a reader to a misleading conclusion. I haven't look at the data itself but I understand their complaint. I'm not sure the complaint exactly hurts your conclusion in the end but I think they would argue using better statistical methods would help make a better argument.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
8. K&R
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 06:56 PM
Nov 2013

Is this myth in there: Retail workers are mothers that just need to get out of the house for something to do.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
13. Mothers who are looking for something to do outside the house
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:50 PM
Nov 2013

volunteer at their children's school or at their church or something.

The thing with retail jobs is that many high school & college students have used them for decades for spending $$ (I sure did and that was 25 years ago) ... but today the breakdown is likely a little more complicated. Unemployment is higher so I suspect you find folks who take them for short-term $$$, or keep at them after college until they find something in their major, or go to them in their 60s because they are retired but find that it's nice to add a little extra income to help with prescription costs etc.

We used to have so many more manufacturing jobs in this country that had the potential to pay better (especially with unions negotiating wages) but those jobs have moved overseas. People have to do something. Walmart is getting rich off of that in multiple ways ...

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»10 Biggest Myths About Re...