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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:31 AM Nov 2013

Are home health aides the new "staff"?

I never had "staff" growing up; we would hire a cleaner for the day if we were having a party that night (maybe), but the idea of people working in my house was the stuff of soap operas and period pieces to me. Even now my wife and I make roughly the median DC household wage, but obviously that goes a lot farther in India (though less far in Mumbai than you might think), particularly when we get government housing. So we've hired two people, a driver and a housekeeper. The driver doesn't bother me at all: there's absolutely no way I'm driving left-handed stick on the left side of the road in Mumbai any time soon (the worst part: the pedals aren't reversed, meaning I have to mentally reverse the muscle memory of my upper body while leaving the muscle memory of my lower body intact), and I need to get from point A to point B. Hiring a housekeeper still seems weird to me, but we can afford to pay her half again the local rate so it's a win-win, I guess -- it's still just weird to have somebody in the house most of the day.

My mother-in-law also has "staff", a housekeeper/cook during the day and a health aide for her ailing uncle at night. She is a naturalized US citizen but she moved back to Calcutta because her pension goes a lot farther there. But that got me thinking.

My grandfather recently passed away; my uncle was taking care of him out on his farm in west Texas. During the last bit (once it was clear that it probably was "the last bit&quot he had three home health aids there (not all at once; in 12 hour shifts IIRC). My remaining grandmother also has a full time home health aide staff (she has very bad arthritis and has trouble moving around on her own).

The Department of Labor has projected that the number of home health aides will nearly double in the next decade. This is interesting to me because this will be the first time in a century or so that it will start being normal for middle class families to have people working in their homes again. There is a problem that not enough people are willing to do the grueling work required of a home health aide at the shitty pay those jobs usually offer, but presumably wages will eventually rise to fill the need people won't be able to avoid. (Keep in mind it was only this year that the minimum wage law applied to home health aides, and that won't even kick in until 2015.)

Anyways, having people work in your house is very unnerving for this Gen-X'er. They know what kind of underwear you wear, and what you eat, and where you sleep, and where you keep your stuff. And there's a vulnerability that can breed resentment; fights get reported to her friends, she has to worry that any time I lose something she'll get accused of stealing it, etc. We know more about each other's personal lives than two people in an employer/employee relationship really should, and in her business reputation and word of mouth are everything, which gives me more leverage over her than is right. This is all the more true when you're not just talking about doing laundry and washing dishes, but holding people while they have diarrhea all over the place -- home health aides necessarily have an extremely intimate relationship with their employers.

Virginia Woolfe famously fired all of her servants and learned to cook and do laundry herself. At the time, it was a refreshing change of pace for the upper class to be "self-reliant" (as they saw it). But then again it was also only possible because of labor-saving devices like refrigerators and indoor plumbing. And, as the mass working class appeared and couldn't afford servants in the first place (but could afford the appliances), the upstairs-downstairs dynamic largely disappeared. (I hate to quote Downton, but as the Countess asks, "If aristocrats do not employ the villagers, what's the point in having us around?&quot Economists at the start of the 20th century were troubled by "the servants problem": how can all these new middle class people possibly have good lives when there are no longer enough poor people to work as servants for them? Seems quaint now, of course, but it was a different world back then.

So, the household staff and accompanying upstairs/downstairs dynamic was relegated to the fantastically wealthy, costume period dramas, and the occasional expat like me or my mother in law. But if there are going to be 4 million home health aides working in 2020, having "staff" is going to be normal or at least not exceptional for the middle class (at least until someone invents the home health aide robot). Is that a good or bad thing? I can see an argument either way:

Bad: obviously, poorly paid and physically demanding jobs are bad enough without constantly being reminded of what you don't have and being socially stigmatized for doing that work. Reinforcing the inequality that already exists by having everyone live it out 24/7 can't be good either (and remember, the social inequalities 100 years ago were self-fulfilling vicious cycles in a lot of ways, which is one of the reasons Woolf, et al, wanted to be done with the whole thing).

Good: OTOH, I could see the argument that spending time with people of different economic backgrounds could be very good. If the rich kids grow up seeing that not everybody gets to have awesome stuff like they do, they might appreciate it more. Or how I help my housekeeper's kids with English (that's probably sui generis, but there are also probably parallels). Maybe that's naive. And, again, though HHA jobs are generally poorly paid, they are in fact jobs, and a lot of people need jobs -- if the 2015 wage hike is a start, rather than the end, this could be a good way to get more of the economy back into wages.

I don't know. Maybe I'm over-using my crystal ball here, but I really do think having employees in the household as a regular thing over the next few decades as the baby boom ages is going to be a pretty big change to the economy, and I'm curious what effects other people think it may have.

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Fair point.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:39 AM
Nov 2013

But I'm imagining a possibly entirely non-existent white picket fence family with 2.5 now-grown children and an aging boomer couple and probably some nice stuff.

Then again, Matt Yglesias had what I thought was a good point that the distinction now between rich and poor is much less about what manufactured goods they buy (you can get a very good Boost Mobile smartphone for $100 now) but the services they consume (the poor phone user has to use a prepaid service like Boost -- though at least that's now as cheap or cheaper than a postpaid service). This gets into "poor people have color TVs" territory, which is true but misses the point: manufacturers saw that market and produced an affordable product. Making services affordable is more problematic, which is why rich and middle class people will be able to afford home health aides (and even then only if they are poor).

Skittles

(153,104 posts)
3. I use a prepaid phone service
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:42 AM
Nov 2013

and I am far from poor - probably because I don't waste money on shit I do not need

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. Back in the States I stuck with Boost even when I didn't have to
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:22 AM
Nov 2013

Same idea as you, I think; it was an unlimited plan for less than Verizon cost, with less hassles: just log in once a month and pay the $50; no mucking around with bills, notices, etc.

OTOH, if I forgot to (or didn't have $50), the phone would just cut off at midnight.

Skittles

(153,104 posts)
13. actually I just buy minutes as I need them
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:16 AM
Nov 2013

and since I detest chit chatting on a phone I do not need many minutes

MiniMe

(21,708 posts)
4. My mother died recently. She was in Hospice at the end, but home until the last 2 days
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:44 AM
Nov 2013

I moved in to be with her in her last days. I hired somebody to stay with her overnight so I could get some sleep. We only had a bad 2 or 3 weeks. She couldn't do the stairs, so I had a hospital bed for her downstairs. I got a baby monitor so I could hear her if she called me. It was totally wearing me out, so I hired somebody to stay with her overnight. It was totally worth it for me, and I think it made Mom more comfortable.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
5. my cleaning girls come once a month.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:46 AM
Nov 2013

they do my bedroom and bathroom first. when they're finished i go into my bedroom and stay out of their way. it takes 2 of them about 3 hours to clean the house -- 2700 sq. ft. -- 3 bathrooms. i don't like having people in the house. i'm a very private person.

my health is not great -- especially my back so i appreciate being able to afford this service.

in between i have a "roomba" which vacuums the floors.

i can't imagine "live in help".

elleng

(130,714 posts)
6. Yes, as we're living longer
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:48 AM
Nov 2013

its becoming more and more necessary, imo.

Everyone deals with 'staff' differently. The woman who 'babysat' for my daughters, now 25 and 28, has become a part of our extended family. My folks moved into assisted living facilities, and I might do the same so as not to intrude on daughters' families. THIS is one of the things the industrial revolution has done to our society.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
7. You bring up interesting points.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:53 AM
Nov 2013

My husband and I just signed up for long term care insurance, so if we need elder care, it will help defray the cost.

The impetus for this was the decline of my husband's parents. The transition to assisted living, full-on nursing home care, and ultimately the passing of his mother opened our eyes quite a bit. His father is now in a care facility, with dwindling assets, but not yet on Title XIX - it's been very stressful for the family. We don't want our kids to have to deal with this stuff when our turn comes.

I also think family size makes a difference. My husband is one of three kids, but I'm one of eight. We haven't really considered long-term care for my 83 year-old mother - there are plenty of us around to help her with various levels of care. She had a hip replaced a few weeks ago, and my sisters and I took turns staying over at her place to help until she was back on her feet.

Large families are less common nowadays, and people often don't stay in the same locale as their patents, so I can see why the need for home health aids might be on the rise. That said, I don't think the relationship will be much like that of very wealthy people with their "staff." The need for support is more a necessity than a luxury, and those performing the service may be of a much closer socio-economic level to their clients, so I expect the dynamic to be different.

I do think that if those providing the service can be well compensated, all parties would benefit.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. Family size and dispersal probably have a lot to do with it
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:20 AM
Nov 2013

Good point

That said, I don't think the relationship will be much like that of very wealthy people with their "staff." The need for support is more a necessity than a luxury, and those performing the service may be of a much closer socio-economic level to their clients, so I expect the dynamic to be different.

Fair point; I don't really know how different the median HHA will be economically from the median person who hires an HHA. (Will the minimum wage earning HHA be able to afford an HHA for her own mother? How will Medicare/Medicaid/ACA, etc. play into that? I don't know...)

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
8. I was a HHA in the 90s
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:05 AM
Nov 2013

They weren't new then and aren't new now. They are likely becoming more common with the increasing amount of elderly and those on hospice (I worked primarily in hospice). The pay wasn't the best, but it was a few dollars over minimum wage. I know aides now who range $12.00 to $16.00 an hour depending on what they do. Some work strictly as HHA, which is heavy on personal care (baths, feeding, dressing, limited medical care) and others do HCA/Companion work (cooking, cleaning, shopping, errands, longer shiftwork, personal care) and those who do a mix of both. Depending on the agency that staffs them and the laws of the state, the role of an HHA can vary widely.

My clients varied a great deal. I had very, very wealthy clients and I had very, very poor clients. Good life lessons all around. The poor were able to get HHA service through charity (my organization was Catholic) and the rich can afford the 24 hour round the clock care.

I will say, it was the families of the rich who were least likely to take an active part in the care of their family members. It was a very sad reality. In every case, we had to log everything we did, the daily activities of the patient, and the visitors. The rich, many of whom had large families, did not see many visitors. One client was a wealthy matriarch of a prominent family. She had a dozen children and her grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and great-great grandchildren were rarities for visits. Twelve kids, all those grandkids, and she received 24 hour care from the HHA and HCAs and very little family visits. And, yes, they lived in the area.

I stopped working as a HHA in 2001. Most of my clients were elderly and on hospice. The rich ones weren't so much like wealthy people I know today. Their homes were generally smaller and less flashy. They were more involved in charities. They weren't as competitive with the Joneses.....and no reality show socialite type personalities. I don't know if it was the times or the areas where I worked.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. They aren't new, but doubling the number in a decade is something
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:18 AM
Nov 2013

4 million people (projected number in 2020) is a pretty hefty chunk of the workforce.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. For a number of years I had a weekly cleaning service.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 03:01 AM
Nov 2013

A divorce and subsequent change in my income has eliminated that, alas. I am not a very good housekeeper on my own, and I would happily go back to a cleaning service if I could.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. That's a pitiful future for the American worker.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:55 AM
Nov 2013

I suppose it makes it possible for the folks elected by God to have their self-esteem raised in their view of themselves as kind and charitable employers.

If it comes we can probably expect Hollywood to respond with a new generation of Shirley Temple, and Mickey Rooney/Judy Garland movies to make it all seem better.

Hey! My dad has a Garage! We can put on a show!

Life will bubble over with opportunity.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
16. Sweet, the little people can fight to wipe the asses of their betters...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:09 PM
Nov 2013

They can compete to wipe the bottoms of the same people who exported all the jobs, trashed the infrastructure, and ran up a 15 trillion dollar debt because they didn't want to cut into their play money. Wipe gently, front to back, or die on the streets. It's like a boomer utopia.

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