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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:44 PM Nov 2013

Family disputes gay server's story

After a gay server at a New Jersey restaurant said a customer denied her a tip and wrote her a hateful note on the receipt, a local family contacted NBC 4 New York and said their receipt shows they paid a tip and didn't write any such note.

Dayna Morales, a former Marine and a server at Gallop Asian Bistro in Bridgewater, posted a photo on Facebook earlier this month, showing the bill with a line through the space for a tip. The photo of the receipt showed someone had written, "I'm sorry but I cannot tip because I do not agree with your lifestyle."

Morales indicated in her Facebook post, and in subsequent media interviews -- including with NBC 4 New York -- that the customer wrote that line.

But a family contacted NBC 4 New York claiming their receipt from the restaurant shows they did leave a tip, and provided what they said was a credit card statement as proof.

The husband and wife, who asked to remain anonymous, showed NBC 4 New York a receipt that appeared to be printed at the same minute, on the same date, for the same $93.55 total, except with an $18 tip.

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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/26/21625339-family-disputes-gay-servers-story?lite

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Family disputes gay server's story (Original Post) cali Nov 2013 OP
I'm kicking this because there's clearly reasonable doubt here cali Nov 2013 #1
I think the larger point is that it could have happened el_bryanto Nov 2013 #2
what? B2G Nov 2013 #4
Sorry - should have put the sarcasm thingy. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #6
Lol...I was hoping that's what you were going for B2G Nov 2013 #7
How can they be falsely accused if they are anonymous? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #3
again, what? B2G Nov 2013 #5
You'd need to see the credit card statement NewJeffCT Nov 2013 #8
The credit card statement shows it was a $111 bill. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #11
Uh oh. HappyMe Nov 2013 #21
Are they serious? Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #9
The credit card statement shows it was a $111 bill. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #12
My bad... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #37
that ok. I was heartbroken when I heard it this morning. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #38
I hear you... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #47
Um, there are videos from reporters with them showing their credit card statement snooper2 Nov 2013 #15
The credit card statement proves their story. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #18
There have been several of these stories posted over the last couple years. former9thward Nov 2013 #10
My problem with the story from the beginning was, how did they know she was a lesbian? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #30
figures! cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #13
Based on the Merchant Copy of the receipt, there was no tip. last1standing Nov 2013 #14
Well she certainly gained a lot finanacially as a result nt B2G Nov 2013 #16
She claims she is donating the money and I have no reason to doubt that, yet. last1standing Nov 2013 #19
No reason to doubt? seveneyes Nov 2013 #22
That is "assuming she is guilty." I'm not assuming that. last1standing Nov 2013 #24
I think there's reasonable doubt. and btw, the same thing about "melting away" cali Nov 2013 #27
It does. Fortunately, I haven't made assumptions either way. last1standing Nov 2013 #34
Actually she claimed that she was going to donate a "portion" of the money. Glassunion Nov 2013 #41
I'm kind of wondering if that too. blogslut Nov 2013 #23
It happens. last1standing Nov 2013 #25
ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN: NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #42
If that's the case, this issue should be easily solved by checking the signature. last1standing Nov 2013 #43
Actually the amount that is pre-approved is typically the base plus 18-20% for a tip Trekologer Nov 2013 #44
That's just a nasty false accusation. tammywammy Nov 2013 #17
Motivation JVS Nov 2013 #36
If (a big if) this was fabricated... BlueCheese Nov 2013 #46
This could also be a scam, if even by the restaurant. Dash87 Nov 2013 #20
Always two sides to every story. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #26
A Red Lobster waitress got a donation of over $10,000 when the n-word was supposedly written Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #28
I don't any problem saying this: Bigotry is horrible. So are false accusations of bigotry cali Nov 2013 #29
Yeah, the more I think about it, the fishier it seems (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #31
How were they even supposed to have known she was gay? /nt Marr Nov 2013 #32
I seriously doubt that her being gay came up in conversation. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #35
I'm not sure it has to come up in conversation. Chan790 Nov 2013 #39
And another fake: "Get a Real Job:" Skip Intro Nov 2013 #33
It's just shitty and just as offensive either way. Glassunion Nov 2013 #40
This might turn out to be like that finger-in-the-chili incident... BlueCheese Nov 2013 #45
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. I'm kicking this because there's clearly reasonable doubt here
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:50 PM
Nov 2013

and these people may well have been falsely accused.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. I think the larger point is that it could have happened
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:52 PM
Nov 2013

Even if it didn't happen in this case.

Bryant

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. You'd need to see the credit card statement
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:56 PM
Nov 2013

to see if the amount charged was 93.55 or 111.55. The family could have written in the $18 afterwards to get back at the young woman and try to make people think she's lying. (I do that sometimes when leaving restaurant - I write in the tip on the copy I hand to the restaurant, and then don't on my copy until I get back home...)

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
21. Uh oh.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:23 PM
Nov 2013

Good grief, as if the lgbt community doesn't have a hard enough time with ..... everything.. as it is.

This is just not cool for her to have done, especially since she had to know that it could be disproved.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
9. Are they serious?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:58 PM
Nov 2013

All they had to do was save their copy of the receipt (which typically has nothing written on it) and then add a bogus tip and total after-the-fact. People have being doing this to inflate their expense accounts for years.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
47. I hear you...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:07 PM
Nov 2013

It's really unfortunate. This stuff happens, but now everybody on Fox News will says that it's always a hoax.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
15. Um, there are videos from reporters with them showing their credit card statement
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:06 PM
Nov 2013

research topic-

form opinions-

Then share

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
10. There have been several of these stories posted over the last couple years.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:02 PM
Nov 2013

Almost everyone of them has turned out to be false or photoshopped. I'll bet that is the case here.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
30. My problem with the story from the beginning was, how did they know she was a lesbian?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:13 PM
Nov 2013

I can't imagine that she got into that kind of detail in conversation her customers. I don't typically have any idea of the sexual orientation of the server when I dine out.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
14. Based on the Merchant Copy of the receipt, there was no tip.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:06 PM
Nov 2013

Leaving aside the comment, which could have been easily written in after the fact, there is no tip listed on the Merchant Copy of the receipt. This is rather problematic as it means one of two things:

1). The customer wrote the tip on only the Customer Copy. While this is the easiest answer, it doesn't account for the billing statement showing an $18.00 tip.

2). The waitress, or someone else in the restaurant, created a new copy of the receipt which was then filled in with homophobic comments to create this stir.

I haven't seen proof that a tip was actually left but if the customer is willing to show the CC statement, which it sounds like they have done, things begin to point to a manipulation of the receipt.

So the final question becomes whether the waitress did it looking for attention or whether a co-worker did it as a way to harass the waitress?

I won't make any guesses as to what happened till the proof comes out but it does appear that someone has manipulated a document or two.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
19. She claims she is donating the money and I have no reason to doubt that, yet.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:15 PM
Nov 2013

It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone has pulled this kind of stunt for fame and money (see balloon boy scandal) but I'll wait to see the facts before judging.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
22. No reason to doubt?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nov 2013

Assuming she is guilty of faking the note, that would be a reason to doubt her honesty. This whole episode could cause a lot more harm than good.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
24. That is "assuming she is guilty." I'm not assuming that.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nov 2013

If it is found that she, versus a co-worker or the customer, is the guilty party, then I will be willing to assume she did it for the money or attention.

The problem I see is that if it's found that she's an innocent party here, most of those "assuming" her guilt will fade away and never admit they were wrong. They'll merely move on to the next issue and restart the "assuming she's guilty" bit.

Personally, I'd like to wait till all the facts come out.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. I think there's reasonable doubt. and btw, the same thing about "melting away"
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:03 PM
Nov 2013

holds true for all those that made assumptions about the guilt of the patrons.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
34. It does. Fortunately, I haven't made assumptions either way.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:26 PM
Nov 2013

Also, "reasonable doubt" is best decided after all the fact are presented, not before.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
25. It happens.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:43 PM
Nov 2013

I really don't know the facts yet, and neither do those rushing to condemn this woman. She may be guilty but no one here knows that.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
42. ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN:
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:01 PM
Nov 2013

This story prompted me to check some receipts I was just going through for my monthly expense report.

The slips they bring you back to sign and insert a tip come to you AFTER they've run your card. So, the approval for the base amount is on there as is an approval code.

BUT NOT THE TIP.

In the end, the customer billing statement is good evidence, but the vendor also has access to evidence in their transaction records.

Also, I've often been given three slips, not sure why, but I suspect SOMEONE doctored one of the merchant slips or printed a second one.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
43. If that's the case, this issue should be easily solved by checking the signature.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:16 PM
Nov 2013

As I suggested above, this may end up being another balloon boy scandal. Personally, I don't know whether I hope someone forged the receipt or whether I hope the family stiffed the waitress. Both possibilities are rather sad.

Trekologer

(997 posts)
44. Actually the amount that is pre-approved is typically the base plus 18-20% for a tip
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:21 PM
Nov 2013

The reason being you don't want to have the pre-tip amount approved but with tip declined. Similarly, gas stations will pre-approve around $50 and hotels will pre-approve the room rate plus an additional amount for incidental expenses, which is why most post a warning about using a debit card.

Many credit card online account portals will list these pending transactions. However, the image of the account statement appears to be a finalized one.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
17. That's just a nasty false accusation.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:09 PM
Nov 2013

I don't know what the server's motivation would be, since the family could just show the credit card statement and disprove the accusation. But then again, the clarification and truth won't get nearly as much media attention as the original false accusation.

Also, I've noticed with a lot of these restaurant receipt stories, people send in donations, I wonder if the server wanted to just cash in.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
36. Motivation
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:28 PM
Nov 2013

I think a possible motivation for this would be that similar instances have resulted in the story going viral and small donations from the internet adding up into thousands of dollars.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
46. If (a big if) this was fabricated...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:19 AM
Nov 2013

... my guess would be the server assumed that with the receipt blurred out, the actual customers wouldn't ever figure out it was their receipt.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
20. This could also be a scam, if even by the restaurant.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:16 PM
Nov 2013

I'm not saying this isn't real, but it's not unthinkable that someone would take advantage of others' kindness. It's well known that stories like this cause a lot of donations from around the world.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
28. A Red Lobster waitress got a donation of over $10,000 when the n-word was supposedly written
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:07 PM
Nov 2013

on her receipt by a customer.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/red-lobster-waitress-10-000-donation-racist-fiasco-article-1.1482113

But subsequent handwriting analysis suggested that the racial slur was not in the handwriting of either the customer or his wife.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/red-lobster-customer-claims-racist-bad-tipper-article-1.1490962

I'm not accusing anyone of anything but in these days of sympathetic folks donating thousands of dollars to apparent victims of prejudice there is certainly an incentive for shenanigans.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
29. I don't any problem saying this: Bigotry is horrible. So are false accusations of bigotry
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:12 PM
Nov 2013

I don't see that one is any morally superior than the other.

The evidence leads me to believe the patrons did not write the note and did leave a tip. Also, in this day and age of instant backlash, who the hell leaves a bigoted note with their personal information and a signature? Why not just post a bulls eye on your back?

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
35. I seriously doubt that her being gay came up in conversation.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

"Good evening, I'll be your gay waitress, may I take your order?"

Somehow, I just don't see this happening.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
39. I'm not sure it has to come up in conversation.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 06:27 PM
Nov 2013

I've had customers assume, to the extent that they felt comfortable commenting on it...on account of my speech impediment (I'm hard-of-hearing and slightly stutter and trip/lisp over words.) and the fact that I'm effete in mannerisms. I've been called f*gg*t before by customers too. I've also been called a {black person, except they used a word beginning with n and ending with r.}...which is strange because I'm Scottish, Native American and Syrian: I don't even look black...possibly Hispanic, but not black. I'm categorically beige...most often people think I'm Mediterranean of some sort: Spanish, Italian, Greek, Moroccan, etc.

You have clearly never worked in a public-facing position if you think clients and customers never make assumptions on your sexuality or other personal traits based on observation and intuition, faulty or otherwise. They don't have to know you're gay...to "know" you're gay. You don't have to be *anything* to draw the attentions, ire and invective of morons for that matter.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
40. It's just shitty and just as offensive either way.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 07:16 PM
Nov 2013

I'm leaning towards the feeling that the waitress hoaxed this.

That said, if the couple did say and write that on the receipt, it is absolutely horrible of them. If they did no such thing and the receipt was faked, that is absolutely horrible of the waitress.

Why I feel that the waitress faked it.
1. The handwriting on the receipts is different. In fact the merchant copy with the offensive message on it was written by a right handed person. The customer copy was written by a left handed person. You can tell by the slash where the tip should be, and the tops of the 5's on the merchant copy. They go left to right, however the tops of the 5's on the customer copy head in the other direction.

2. They did supply their credit card receipt, and their card was charged an additional 19.24% or an even $18.00.

I hope the truth comes out either way, as whoever was falsely accused should be vindicated.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
45. This might turn out to be like that finger-in-the-chili incident...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:18 AM
Nov 2013

... where the customer stuck a severed finger into the chili at a restaurant and looked to cash in.

If so, I guess I'll be relieved that there wasn't really a hateful customer out there who wrote the note. On the other hand, if it turns out to be a bid for sympathy and money, well, it's not good to play with serious issues of prejudice and give the genuinely bigoted any ammunition.

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