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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlec Baldwin has been fired from MSNBC
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warrior1
(12,325 posts)
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)he should have never been hired in the first place
jessie04
(1,528 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Good riddance honestly.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)no one is perfect.
It would be nice if my fellow liberals were a little less judgmental. People make mistakes.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)As much as I want to love him, Alec Baldwin is a certified, Grade A Asshole.
Argue against it.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Good riddance.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)most parents are not perfect....
"this room looks like a pig sty....only a pig would live in this mess"
mnmoderatedem
(3,723 posts)sorry can't agree...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that's is why you call someone a pig.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and even if you "are" perfect...you are exceedingly rare then.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)It's self control, something those with anger issues, lack. That would be Alec Baldwin. And he's a nasty person who doesn't deserve to be on TV so I'm glad he was fired.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You are human aren't you?
To err is human....to forgive is divine.
And even IF you are telling the truth....it is exceedingly rare that a parent HASN'T made a mistake....nobody with the exception of HappyHippyChick is perfect in this world.
I am sure your kids are also human perfection personified.
Humans make mistakes....nearly none would live up to your standard.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I guess you are that "without sin" person Jesus was telling to go ahead and throw stones!
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)she has never called her kids names, I don't remember her claiming she was perfect. Good parents don't call their kids derogatory names like that, and I'm sure she's one of them.
Good grief 
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)ugly to their children that they later regretted. Also, said its' an unrealistic standard that MOST people cannot live up to...nobody is perfect ...even HappyHippyChick. That is the point I was trying to make.
AND that was during a VERY acrimonious custody battle With Kim Basinger who was the one that even released it publicly. And unless HappyHippyChick has been through one...she has no idea what it would be like to fight to have a few moments on the phone with your kid.
Good grief is right.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)who do watch what they say in an argument - I certainly do, for many reasons. I engage my brain before I speak. It's all about self control. I don't feel the need to call people names, I can get my point across without resorting to name calling. I don't like to hurt other people by what I say, even if I'm mad at them so I watch what the hell I say because it can have unintended consequences.
If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. You apologize, move on and do your best to make sure it doesn't happen again. He continues to do it, that makes the apologies rather hollow.
And I don't care what problems he had with Kim, you don't talk to your child that way. Period.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)people have varing degrees of stress and how they react to it....
You may not react the same way MOST people react when they are angry...I wish we lived in a perfect world where people didn't say ugly things...but the fact of the matter is. We are human...
Dorian Gray
(13,488 posts)by any stretch. I yell. I lose my temper.
But I have never called my husband or daughter names. I've cursed. (What is this shit? What the hell do you think you're doing? What the fuck?) But I've never called them names. I would hate to be called names, and I think it's really disrespectful and hard to come back from. That stuff is remembered... always.
You can control that.
What Alec called his daughter was horrible.
He has a habit of diminishing other people with horrible words or trying to diminish them with homophobic slurs.
He's got issues.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)you haven't walked a mile in everyone's shoes....
Yes what he said was bad...but he apologized to his daughter...and on top of it all...it was family dirty laundry and it was made public.
You are describing a hell of a lot of people who "diminish" other people with horrible words....
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Here's some context for you.
"Once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone. You have made an ass out me of for the last time. Three letters: ABA. A, Always, B, Be, A, Answering. Always be answering. Always be answering. AIDA. Attention. Interest. Decision. Action. Attention. Do I have your attention? Interest. Are you interested? I know you are 'cause it's pick up the phone or get your ass straightened out. You answer or you get hit with a brick. Decision. Have you made your decision to pick up the phone? And action. AIDA. Pick up the goddamn phone. You got a call coming in, you think I made it because I've got nothing better to do? I could be shouting shit at random people on the street, but I'm calling you. I don't care that you're twelve or eleven or whatever, are you pig enough to pick it up? I'm a good father, and you're a pig. I don't give a shit. Good father. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you thoughtless pain in the ass? AIDA. Get mad you daughter-of-a-bitch. Get mad. You know what it takes to answer my call? It takes brass balls to answer my call. Go and do likewise. The phone is ringing, you pick it up, it's yours, you don't, I got no sympathy for you. I'd wish you good luck, but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you got it. You better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me. Pig. Oh, also, tell your mother I said "Go fuck yourself." This is Dad, ring me back when you get a chance."
I think the only FUNNY part of the whole message is "I could be shouting shit at random people on the street...". How ironic and how prophetic.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I don't think that they would hold back on it in the U.K. do you?
Oh and his daughter's name is Ireland not Aida....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-449775/Alec-Baldwin-apologises-calling-daughter-11-rude-thoughtless-pig.html
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)There was a supposed link to an audio file to match the quoted text but I could find no audio file there and cannot find audio for that text anywhere else.
So please accept my apology for both posts as neither their tone nor their content were warranted.
Again, I was wrong, and I apologize.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I have also not been able to find the original audio....Even if the version I found is correct it is still very harsh...however he was in the midst of a bitter custody battle with Kim Basinger and it appears his anger was about not having access to his kid. Even the latest escapade regarded that paparazzi putting his camera into the face of his wife and baby. I am certainly glad that I don't have to live in the glass bowl as my temper would probably get the better of me as well...
intaglio
(8,170 posts)I refer you to Dan and Dan
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)makes me sick. Parents can make innocent mistakes but this is verbal abuse.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that was during an acrimonious custody battle with Kim Basinger. He wanted to speak to his kid....something apparently kept preventing that according to the conversation....He was an angry father who I am sure was being raked over the coals by Kim's lawyers too...
He also apologized publicly. I am glad YOUR family has no dirty laundry to be aired.
Let someone come between you and access to your kid and lets see how rational you stay!
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)Sorry, he doesn't get a pass.
What excuse is there for calling someone a c**k s**k**g f*g then?
Frustration at the press is one thing, how you choose to handle it is another - and he handled it atrociously
a kennedy
(29,644 posts)should have known it was the beginning of his terrible, rude, and homophobic rants. Ugh.... glad he's gone. 
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)"Alec Baldwin apologises for calling daughter, 11, a 'rude thoughtless pig'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-449775/Alec-Baldwin-apologises-calling-daughter-11-rude-thoughtless-pig.html#ixzz2lonPwhKB
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cynatnite
(31,011 posts)This was completely unacceptable. No parent should talk to their child in such a horrific way. Nothing justifies this.
He has apologized for it and I do believe it was heartfelt. He and his daughter appear to have a good relationship since this happened which is great.
It is a family issue and that's probably where it should have remained in the first place.
Either way, it was a horrible thing for a father to say to his young daughter and there is no excusing it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)She was the one that released it to the media...THAT is why it went public at all. It was a very acrimonious divorce and things happen during divorce sometimes that are unimaginable...especially when it comes to children. He also apologized publicly.
It's also not your place to excuse or not, his daughter accepted his apology...
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)His abusive behavior reflects badly on him as it should.
He was in an ugly custody battle with his wife for years and it took a huge toll. It's sad that his child paid the price for the bad behavior of both parents.
It doesn't matter whether I excuse his behavior or not. America didn't excuse it and he was excoriated by everyone for it.
Even he acknowledged that it was inexcusable and showed heartfelt remorse. He knows how wrong it was and you should, too.
meaculpa2011
(918 posts)to either of my kids, MY MOTHER would have washed my mouth with soap.
And yes, my kids tattle on me to their grandparents.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)this was during a tough custody battle with a woman capable of hiring the best lawyers...He was angry because he wanted to speak to his kid...he went overboard. He apologized to her publicly. This is hardly the worst thing I have ever seen a parent do. Parents make mistakes...Divorce and Custody make people do and say crazy things...
meaculpa2011
(918 posts)Apologies that include, "I was under a lot of pressure," are meaningless.
This is not the stress talking. It's very easy to maintain the illusion of civility when things are going well.
Under stress, people reveal their true nature.
What's so atypical about kids talking to their grandparents?
polichick
(37,152 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Can't say I am surprised, he did this to himself.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)
warrior1
(12,325 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts).....cuss a lot would understand.
My Uncle is an outspoken Man. Nice guy but get in his face for a LONG time and he'll cuss like a professional.
He was raised in an era when a common cuss word was "You fucking Cock-Sucker-mother-fucker-dick-licking..Etc"
His views have changed A LOT. ..I'm around him A LOT. He's for Gay marriage and just about everything that a good
progressive WOULD be for.
But...Get him pissed and the old cuss words come-a-flying.
I'll call him on it and He'll say "Well Fuck...I don't mean it that way. I understand.
I CONSTANTLY say "I should have went to the store...." I catch myself on it and have for 15 Years....and I STILL FUCKING do it. 
I understand. Old habits....
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)And I like Alec despite his explosive temper.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
Mr.Bill
(24,267 posts)Sort of like an Atheist who says Oh My God! That doesn't mean he believes in God. Just an old habit.
Not really sure if that's the case wit Baldwin, but I guess it's possible.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)He's a hot head who says stupid things too often.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)they might get fired.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Actions speak louder than words...
spanone
(135,815 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)which he apologized for...
AND he is a staunch supporter of Liberal causes....particularly LBGT issues....
as I said...actions speak louder than words.
Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You only seem to be concerned about words....I care about the opposite.
Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)hyperbolic much?
Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he admitted that....AND apologized.
Logical
(22,457 posts)OwnedByCats
(805 posts)How many times does a person have to apologize before it is not seen as sincere any longer? He has said the most ridiculous and offensive things time and time again, he never learns! He doesn't engage his brain before opening his mouth because he's a hateful man.
Would you be this forgiving if this was a right wing politician or other public figure? Somehow I doubt it. It's wrong no matter who does it.
disidoro01
(302 posts)This wasn't the first time he was caught hurling homophobic insults. He is terrible.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I don't watch M$NBC much, but I never heard his show started and then the next day he was suspended for running his mouth.
Do they even send you a check for working just a few minutes?
Lex
(34,108 posts)Can't feel sorry for him. He needs to control himself and his mouth. He knows this by now but still doesn't do it.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I didn't like his show and watching it made my opinion of him worse. (I don't need to watch Alec Baldwin if I want to hear an old man rant ill-informed liberal truisms punctuated by offensive half-formed opinions. I can call my uncle and hear that.) So...meh. Some people might be upsot but I'm not one of them.
Now if they would just replace him with a credible liberal journalist doing good quality investigative work rather than another pundit, celebrity and radio cast-off...that'd be nice. Liberal punditry is never going to be a thing because it comes across poorly, smug and mentally-superior; facts and hard-hitting investigative journalism are winners. Pursue truth, inform your audience and challenge perceptions.
pecwae
(8,021 posts)done it before, apologizes, goes on to do it again. No sympathy.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)
procon
(15,805 posts)than any sensitivity MSNBC has toward LGBT rights.
Unlike many other celebrity hosts and media personalities, Baldwin's risqué comments did not occur in the workplace, and despite all the public hew and cry over his outburst, his ratings were the deciding factor in MSNBC ending 'Up Late With Alec Baldwin'
"In his last show, just 101,000 viewers among adults 25-54 on Friday. That’s a 41% drop from the 172,000 demo results of the one-hour show’s October 11 debut."
That was the real kiss of death for his show, not his disparaging remarks.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)How can an entity stand as a beacon of tolerance and pollute the airwaves with such vileness?
At least Alec didn't do on the air.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)She is with the Coalition for the Homeless. She had some very interesting ideas that would be very challenging to the powers that be in New York. Then right after that show, this whole outrage over insults exchanged with a "professional" celeb stalker blows up. I think the progressive community got played with this one. Baldwin has always had a reputation as a hot head so it seems he was an easy target to take out when he crossed the line and gave real air time to someone whose ideas were not properly sanitized to not step on the toes of the money people.
Baldwin should watch his mouth, but really this seemed to be blown up way out of proportion. I think we should be far more outraged about the proliferation of ridiculous celebrity gossip that takes the place of real information. These people who sell their souls for a quick buck that stalk celebrities are just cogs in the wheels of power to distract and obfuscate from who are the real enemies of ordinary people. These lackeys deserve contempt and should be ignored. That is what Baldwin should have done and not helped that creep by giving him ammunition to use against Baldwin.
I am sad that the show was stopped. He was getting better in his interview style. It was something different and much better than the crap MSNBC will play instead. It was so much better than the endless replays of Limbaugh and Palin that all the MSNBC shows play over and over again. People have a hard time focusing on real conversation which makes it hard to try something different.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I watched 20 minutes of one episode and that was enough.
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)I have never liked him because of it. I could never put a finger on exactly why. But it has never failed me as to the character of a person.
maced666
(771 posts)For a brief moment. What do you have? Certainly not a person most of us would associate with in our personal lives.
Re-insert his political beliefs - okay - it doesn't change who he is as a person.
The tirade on his daughter in that phone message was horrifying - her young age-who speaks to a child that way-especially your own?! (As if a girl not his daughter is any better) The term pig was especially alarming in regards to her weight issues at the time and what all young women in this country go through with body image lunacy.
This man is nothing like any progressive in my large family and friends circle by any remote association. I haven't even mentioned his repeated homophobic slurs. He is in the Mel Gibson camp complete with tent and sleeping bag.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)A month long suspension without pay should have been more sufficient.The idiots accross the street from them(FOX) say the most racist things from host and guess
maced666
(771 posts)But that is always the case for American politics in general. The rw fox preaches but tolerates - dare I say even promote- that which they preach against on a DAILY basis. If someone at say MSNBC does anything inside or outside the office that is even slightly regarded as morally wrong they get the world brought down upon them.
So the processes are F'd up. Then we have people as part of this process, in this case people being Baldwin. His history cloaks the flawed process and I'm not so sure I care in this specific case. I cannot shake that phone message to his daughter. Sometimes you are who you are despite repeated apologies followed by repeated reasons to apologize.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Rush Limbaugh is still on the air...
Robbins
(5,066 posts)But comments were not on air but what he said to tabloid photographer.
They fire him but keep co-author of game change on air analyist and he calls death panels in Obamacare.Really?
What will MSNC do next fire ed and Reverad Al for calling out Fox news as liars?
I am incresing not watching any cable news.Tired of all this doom and gloom talk,and building up Christie.
Hes a homophobic jackass.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Man, they sure have some weird ideas of what they want us to watch on that channel.
Thank gawd they've opened up another hour for Lockup!!!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Baldwin's show was ridiculous on the one occasion that I watched it.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And then tried to climb it so they could play "King of the Hill".
They're just upset because Alec is so wildly popular ever since he did his Schweaty balls skit on Saturday Night Live many years ago.
He has more talent than any of the other MSNBC hosts, so he doesn't really need that gig anyway.
However, Republicans hate his guts and they were having a field day after hearing this news on Faux Snooze yesterday.
So, Griffin, or whoever made this decision, just played in to their hands.
Greg Gutfeld was absolutely giddy over this news last night on his program "Redeye".
I only saw about 2 minutes of it because I was channel surfing, but he almost had an orgasm right there on the set after hearing this earth-shattering news.
All I can say about Gutfeld is that I hope he enjoys his golden showers because if I ever met him that would be all that he would get from me.
upi402
(16,854 posts)Reagan was a GE pitch man.. continued the gig after getting elected.
They know Americans are smart as cattle and as predictable as jazz.
