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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPope Quotes.. he must be some kind of commie
Or Liberation Christian....
gtar100
(4,192 posts)Isn't that what the Church has been teaching for so long? Isn't it the careless and loose morals of the liberals that have caused all our problems?
This Pope is no doubt blowing the minds of all the conservatives who believe in some sort of vindictive God casting judgment on our every thought, word, and deed. With Pope Francis pulling back the curtains, where will these capitalists hide their shame if the Church no longer plays along in their game? Fundies are going to have to double down on their rhetoric to keep the masses in the upper classes from having to confront their own hypocrisies.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)which I won't go into here and they are major
but at least I like his guilt trip on these issues to his 1.1 billion practitioners.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)This, I think, could lead to a more understanding and tolerant society for the LGBT community and Woman's Choice movements.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)This is like saying that the government being against rape and murder will solve all the state's problems.
ancianita
(35,933 posts)Add that whole 'chosenness' concept that creates some notion of 'spiritual inequality.' The protection racket foundations are complete.
Only believers need hope, words, the appearance of integrity. Ex-believers need the courage to act, lawyers, guns and money.
No more 'good guy/bad guy' brainwashing of children with this narrative.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Right.
The truth is that the Vatican pays some members of the Swiss Guard to protect the Pope -- who clearly needs protection.
And that city the Vatican owns is 1/8 of the size of Central Park.
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-vatican
ancianita
(35,933 posts)It's certainly more than "some." Perhaps the fact that our own embassy is moving closer to the Vatican City for security purposes is a slight indication...
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)See Post 9 for a list of Popes who were believed murdered before the Swiss Guard was hired to protect him.
And our embassy is moving closer to Vatican City to save money.
ancianita
(35,933 posts)militaries combined....
"...It will not downsize any embassy personnel..." but the total overhead will save money.
"...The safety of embassies have been a concern since the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya...http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/us-move-of-vatican-embassy-draws-fire/2013/11/26/3c8af05e-56db-11e3-bdbf-097ab2a3dc2b_story.html
"...Security and cost savings were behind the move..." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/us-embassy-vatican-moved-not-closed_n_4344756.html
Argue whichever is the priority -- safety or cost savings -- and I'd just say that they can buy more security with overhead savings.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)That is quite likely, given his age...
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)There have been about 15 popes assassinated over the years. This number does not include quite a large number of very early popes who were martyred before Constantine the Great legalized Christianity. Nor does it include Pope John Paul I who died under mysterious circumstances that many think was an assassination.
The 15 popes that have been either murdered or rumored murdered...
John VIII (872-882): Poisoned and clubbed to death
Adrian III, St. (884-885): Rumored poisoned
Stephen VI (896-897): Strangled
Leo V (903): Murdered
John X (914-928): Suffocated under a pillow
Stephen VII (VIII) (928-931): Possibly murdered
Stephen VIII (IX) (939-942): Mutilated and died from injuries
John XII (955-964): Suffered a stroke while with a mistress
or murdered by an outraged husband
Benedict VI (973-974): Strangled by a priest
John XIV (983-984): Starved to death or poisoned
Gregory V (996-999): Rumored poisoned, probably malaria
Sergius IV (1009-1012): Possibly murdered
Clement II (1046-1047): Rumored poisoned
Damasus II (1048): Rumored murdered
Boniface VIII (1294-1303): Died from abuse received while a
captive of the French in Anagni
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)203. The dignity of each human person and the pursuit of the common good are concerns which ought to shape all economic policies. At times, however, they seem to be a mere addendum imported from without in order to fill out a political discourse lacking in perspectives or plans for true and integral development. How many words prove irksome to this system! It is irksome when the question of ethics is raised, when global solidarity is invoked, when the distribution of goods is mentioned, when reference in made to protecting labour and defending the dignity of the powerless, when allusion is made to a God who demands a commitment to justice. At other times these issues are exploited by a rhetoric which cheapens them. Casual indifference in the face of such questions empties our lives and our words of all meaning. Business is a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engaged in it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life; this will enable them truly to serve the common good by striving to increase the goods of this world and to make them more accessible to all.
204. We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.
205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots and not simply the appearances of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones).[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare. Why not turn to God and ask him to inspire their plans? I am firmly convinced that openness to the transcendent can bring about a new political and economic mindset which would help to break down the wall of separation between the economy and the common good of society.
206. Economy, as the very word indicates, should be the art of achieving a fitting management of our common home, which is the world as a whole. Each meaningful economic decision made in one part of the world has repercussions everywhere else; consequently, no government can act without regard for shared responsibility. Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.
207. Any Church community, if it thinks it can comfortably go its own way without creative concern and effective cooperation in helping the poor to live with dignity and reaching out to everyone, will also risk breaking down, however much it may talk about social issues or criticize governments. It will easily drift into a spiritual worldliness camouflaged by religious practices, unproductive meetings and empty talk.
208. If anyone feels offended by my words, I would respond that I speak them with affection and with the best of intentions, quite apart from any personal interest or political ideology. My words are not those of a foe or an opponent. I am interested only in helping those who are in thrall to an individualistic, indifferent and self-centred mentality to be freed from those unworthy chains and to attain a way of living and thinking which is more humane, noble and fruitful, and which will bring dignity to their presence on this earth.
struggle4progress
(118,228 posts)chamam-me de comunista"
Hélder Câmara
Archbishop of Olinda and Recife during the military dictatorship in Brazil
When I feed the poor, I am called a saint
When I question why they are poor, I am called a communist