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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReality has hit home. Advice needed.My middle son,wife and kids will be homeless unless...
My son,his very pregnant wife and their two year old daughter will be moving into my two bedroom townhouses with me and my youngest son. I can't let them be homeless,and she is due to deliver SOON.
I know some of you have done this. We have "kind of " worked out logistics on paper, but any advice you can give me will be appreciated!
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Once they show up, do everything you can to help them find a new job, etc. It's important to support them in that way, as much as it is to give them a place to stay. It's easy to get depressed when you have to move in with a parent and kind of give up and not work at finding a way out of the situation.
Your support in that will be much appreciated in the long run. It's crucial.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)In the hope that it will keep them motivated.
I am making out a "to do" list on how they can help me around the place (So that I can donate more time to Wendy Davis' campaign). Texas has shit for wages. My son was working three jobs. Their daughter is special needs. His wife's family said... and I quote "she asked for it". I am making the place child friendly ASAP
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)My concern is based on some personal experience with a similar situation in my own extended family. Things have not worked out well at all in that situation. My wife and I are at our wit's end with worry about it.
That depression thing really seems to be a major component, and it's so easy for adult children to drop back into the role of "Mom will take care of everything." I know you'll handle things just right, though.
My best wishes and thoughts are with you.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)whom I've never even met.
Good for you and your big heart.
Oscarmonster13
(209 posts)I wish I had some advice. Other than wishing you the best, I don't know how to soothe such a situation. That's a lot of people to have in such 'cozy' conditions...
I'd try looking into HUD housing, see of there's any emergency aid available...but with the sequester, they have been cut drastically.
It is such a sad state of affairs when adult children are having to come back to their parents because there's no security in jobs, housing, or just fucking LIFE for these young folks. While I understand some cultures have traditionally had the extended family living in one house...it's not something we are used to. And I personally would have huge 'personal space' issues if I had to live with my folks again, or if my oldest and his wife were to move back in.
My heart goes out to you and your son's family. I'm sure there's many families that are in the same boat. (maybe there's some kind of alliance or online group that deals with this?)
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)First, have you got the logistics figured out?
Second, make sure you have your expectation laid out VERY clearly to them. What are their responsibilities long term and short term?
That many people in a tiny space is going to be nearly impossible to manage.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Written expectations from both parties pre-move in, an open heart, and weekly family meetings should keep it level.
NEW BABY!!! YAY! CONGRATS WLL!!!
I'm assuming they are availing themselves to all assistance - incl. SSDI for the child...
xox
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)and, speaking from experience, it was nearly impossible.
I dearly love my son and his girlfriend, but there were lots of little situations that could have gone very badly, very fast, if we weren't all adults and had put the ground rules in place ahead of time.
And there weren't any 2 yr. olds, nor infants not even born yet.
5 adults in a 2 bedroom home makes things VERY touch and go.
And, I say that from first hand experience.
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)Written resource to refer to.
They are getting the master bedroom.
They'll have a "space" for baby.
We'll make Little girl's bedroom the master closet.My baby son's "room will be the dining area. We will find some way to separate for privacy.I'll move my computer and crafts into "My " bedroom.We have a lot of unused storage space.We'll eat in the living room... like always!
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)And comes with a built-in incentive for everyone to get out more.
ancianita
(35,932 posts)on different floors worked out best, especially if you've got 1.5 - 2 baths available. It mostly helps with the middle of the night comings and goings, stair traffic, etc. Then everyone "meets in the middle" of the ground floor public spaces.
Good luck with the logistics.
nolabear
(41,932 posts)When I was young circumstances dictated that my two sisters and I lived with our grandparents twice. Once it was in a two room apartment with a cafe attached, and once in a one room apartment with a cafe attached. I mention the cafe because it afforded me a place to escape to after hours, and we had a kitchen that was ridiculous.
At any rate, we did okay, for several years. Being crowded isn't a disaster as long as you all work together and let it be known that you want to. Talk about the day to day things and plan them together. If you need privacy find some. They might be under a lot of stress and a certain craziness comes with new babies that requires a group effort to make okay (You know, sleep deprivation, not knowing at first what soothes or might be wrong, hormonal shifts, fears for everyone's wellbeing, etc.).
Just try to have compassion and ask it for yourself. And don't be afraid to set the boundaries you really need. If morning quiet is important, or a clean kitchen, or whatever, let it be known. Then relax around what's not.
Hang in there. Hopefully, you're sewing seeds for the future when they can say "Remember when Mom was so good to us? Let's be as good to her."
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)How old is your younger son? Can he share a space or bed with the 2 yr old?
I think I'd be spending more time outside or at the library.
Good luck. You are a good mom
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)He loves the toddler, but....
I will have incentive to get out more,resume my workout. My new job is 8-4 / M-F. I feel it will be positive.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Whoops.
Its fantastic that you are all starting off with loving hearts
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)My husband shared a double bed with his brother in the living room till he was 7. His parents had one of the two bedrooms and his grandmother had the other. My husband never felt deprived and just assumed it was a normal thing. Probably it was back then.
Good luck!
w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)I remember My sister,cousin and I sleeping in the dining room under a "Tent" / table.Grandma/grandpa had 1 bedroom,aunt and uncle slept in one bedroom,mom and dad slept in one bedroom. My 2 aunts shared the attic. My Naunee slept in the "family" room. we spent a LOT of time outside...in New Haven,Ct.
Ah, the good old days....
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)when my grandfather stayed for months in our dining room.
Your grandchildren will be the big beneficiaries of this, as I know you know.
aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)You should know if there are consequences like fines. The fines will still be cheaper than other housing options, but you should know.
You'll survive it, but I'm sure there will be tough days and maybe even some hurt feelings. The sleep deprivation of a new born can make everyone cranky.
You'll probably have to forgive more than you ever thought you could.
Warpy
(111,140 posts)and a posted list of jobs will help everybody know what he or she is supposed to take care of around the house so it doesn't turn into an instant slum. Once your son gets his employment sorted, having a realistic target date for them to move out will also be helpful.
The worst thing to do to a kid who moves back home is have him slip into the dependency of childhood. I've seen it happen.
I can't imagine being that overcrowded although I know a lot of families are. No one wants their families to face the street if at all possible.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)At any given time I have my family plus 2.. Friends, relatives whatever.
There is not much you can do about the logistics. We are 6 people in a 3 bedroom duplex at the moment. We are on top of each other all the time. What I have tried to do is cover expenses so the "guest" can quickly save up enough money to move. Things being the way they are though one leaves and another comes in. How it plays out will all depend on the people you are dealing with. I have had "guests" that think they own the place, (mostly the younger ones) and guests who have done nothing but make sure they are as helpful as possible, knowing the burden they are placing on us.
One thing I have figured out. Games are a life saver. It's something a large group can do together, it's fun, it keeps everyone busy, and there is no fighting over who needs the computer or who has to watch The Voice.. I know those seem like minor things but when you have cabin fever every little thing can blow up into something huge. Card games, board games, trivia games, charades.. The kids are usually a little hesitant at first but once we got them playing they starting asking "are we going to game tonight". Even when they were very young we would play Uno or something that they could "help" play..
Another thing, if you can afford it. Costco. It's the only way to feed a large group of people without going broke. If you get their "executive membership" which costs $50 more than the regular you get a check back for 2% of your total purchases at the end of the membership year. For us the check has always covered the cost of the membership plus a couple hundred dollars in free groceries. Since that first layout of $100 my membership at Costco has been free for years.
Good luck, it's a wonderful thing you are doing, but it's also a heavy load, which many times will seem unappreciated...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)When I was in high school I found myself living with a foster family for awhile because my mother had become ill and had to be hospitalized. My father was working in South America and he didn't want to interrupt my school year by bringing me down there.
The family had three bedrooms, one bath, three children and a nephew going to college living with them. Then they took me in. In a few months a older married son, pregnant wife and three pre-school children lost his job and they moved in. The living room turned into another bedroom and basically the dining room and kitchen became the common area. The two bedrooms were divided between girls and boys.
Excess junk in the closets and cabinets were boxed up and put in the garage to make way for clothing and personal goods of everyone. Mrs. XX made a bathroom schedule for all, which mostly worked. We older ones had to be flexible with toddlers and a pregnant woman around. We all pitched in with cooking, dish washing and cleaning. Mrs. XX constantly complained about the house being too small. Once we all got used to each other we had fun.
Eventually, everyone moved on. The kids grew up, married and moved away. About a decade later I was in town and went to visit my foster family. Mr. XX had retire by then and Mrs. XX complained about how the house was too big and silent for them.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Even an unfinished basement can be made into a private space .... privacy can be carved out
maced666
(771 posts)The wonders of a progressive heart stopped homelessness in at least this one case.
You are special!
As far as advice - you appear to be a good decision maker already, just trust yourself and first decisions. I'm expecting a happy ending. Though this may appear a sad story right now it already reads to many of us out here as a happy one - good luck to you and all your family!
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I lived with my parents twice in the last 4 years (once, they invited me when my ex cheated, the second time was waiting to move into my new home that was behind schedule). I have 4 kids. There were 7 of us in a 3 bedroom 1100 sq ft bungalow. It was hellish, only because my parents wanted to keep their lifestyle and could not tolerate any toys left out. Ever. Nor were we allowed to keep any of our belongings outside of our 2 bedrooms - everything we owned was kept in those rooms so my mom didn't have to look at our stuff in her space. My parents have issues though that go beyond that (think personality disorders) but you sound like a really nice person so none of that will probably pertain to you. As long as you are flexible with things you can't control (or things that trying to control will drive everyone totally batty) and set boundaries it should be ok. I lived with my ILs when I was married (in my home) and WE had no issues at all - we knew where we had to relax and we were vocal about our expectations (instead of passive aggressive like my parents). It's really important to negotiate your needs - I think another poster said this - things you must have a certain way. Clean bathrooms, morning shower, counters wiped - whatever. My big thing with my ILs was to not discipline my kids - that was my job. And all of the other things that aren't as important you need to just let it all go. My parents were insistent that everything be done their way, including disciplining my kids, and keeping the house show ready. Impossible with that many people in a small space.
One good idea that I think was also mentioned is to make rules about moving out - what are the expectations. When your son gets a job? 2 months after he gets a job? Clear that up immediately. My parents told me I could stay with them (the first time) until "I got back on my feet". I figured that would be about a year. 4 months later they kicked me out. Our expectations were totally different. It's probably also a good thing to go over chores, cooking, cleaning and grocery shopping. Also, how much to contribute to the household. The first time I lived with my parents, they wanted rent, but told me that they would include the food in the rent. Then they resented how much it cost to feed 4 kids and brought it up all the time "Your rent barely covers the food I have to buy!" So the next time I lived with them - admittedly it was easier because we knew it was very temporary until my house was built - I was told there would be no rent as long as I did all my own cooking and grocery shopping. So straightening that out up front will make life easier. It's not good if you are cooking for everyone every night and resenting it because you are the one who works. On the other hand, if you don't want to cook for everyone, then you will have to be very relaxed with who uses the kitchen and allow others their space to cook (my mom didn't want to cook - so I did. But then she complained we were always in the way in her kitchen. It was uncomfortable. We ate out a lot.)
Hope that helps a bit - as I said, you sound like a nice, compassionate person so the issues I've had to deal with probably won't be an issue for you guys, but I thought I'd put in my 2 cents anyway. Good luck, keep us updated and especially let us know when the new baby arrives. Really enjoy those first few months - how great that you get to spend it under the same roof - I'm sure you'll treasure that time with the baby so much in the future.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)but it depends on what kind of family you are also. there are some families which would easily blend together and have no trouble.
but at least for me i think not trying to do everything together and allowing to keep your own different schedules, space etc is important. this will make it easier for when they leave also.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Wonderful advice on this thread.
Any chance of them receiving food stamps and WIC assistance? Sometimes, those programs can also point them in the direction of finding training and or employment.
TBF
(32,004 posts)I made sure he had a room/computer so he could work on his resume, etc... my kids were smaller then so he helped me out by making dinner some nights, doing household projects my husband never gets to and that sort of thing. He only stayed a few months until he found an opportunity in Austin.
Nay
(12,051 posts)picnic or anything. Son, wife and grandson lived with us for a year after he got laid off in 2006.
We had some agreements:
No one would leave any stuff on kitchen counters or in sink, ever. Clean it up, clean it off, run the dishwasher/unload the dishwasher ASAP.
Try not to make messes anywhere -- there is less angst when everyone makes a concerted effort to not make messes in the first place.
Set certain days for your guests to do laundry, if possible. Or set it up so that they can run a load thru during the morning, and you get to use the washer and dryer in the afternoon/evening. Nothing is ever left in the washer or dryer; finish the load before noon. (This was a big problem until we made this rule because hubby and I both worked all day and had to do our laundry evenings or weekends, and son's wife was always using washer/dryer on weekends.)
We got along fine, tried to give each other space, and I loved having little grandson around all the time. In fact, he hated moving out -- he was worried he would never see us again!! That little sweetie pie!