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That's right. Thank the Occupy movement for that term and all that it means. Did you think they were not going to change anything because of having no figure head? Let me ask you this ...does anyone not know what "1%" represents today? Maybe if you lived under a rock you wouldn't know. OK so remember all the DU Occupy bashers? Where are you now? Gone I hope. Yea there already was class warfare going on but Occupy with it's 1% mantra has greatly accelerated the awareness of class warfare. It's almost gotten to the point now where instead of using the term "rich" people now use "1%". Occupy has changed the language and changed the general populations awareness of class warfare. I thank all those who were arrested and fought to expose the 1%'s class warfare on all of us.
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2naSalit
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Since we know that the FBI/CIA uses infiltrators in our movements, even meetings of small peace groups, it isn't that far off to assume the people that made the movement look bad, and the negative press that they received was all staged to cause the protest to lose momentum.
And it worked, even with certain DUers, trusting the corporate media to cover such an important uprising of the 99%...
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Occupy 
The Blue Flower
(6,490 posts)There couldn't be a simpler, more concise way of stating a complex idea in a way that anyone could understand. Major kudos to whoever first thought of it.
Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
I think the movement was basically co-opted by the dems and that was bound to happen with the bourgeois undertones. BUT, they reintroduced the concept of "class" to this country and for that I am eternally grateful. Occupy will reemerge I'm quite confident - and they will likely be less naive and more militant after the first experience. Solidarity.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)phrase and made it a national issue.
I remember when DC was going after NY US Attorney Schneiderman when he refused to join all the others in signing an agreement that was going to let the Big Crooked Banks off the hook by paying a small fine which would be used to pay those whose homes had been wrongfully foreclosed on.
The amount they would receive amounted to an insulting few hundred dollars AND if they were desperate enough to accept it, they would forfeit their right to sue the Wall St. Criminal Banks who had stolen their property.
Pressure was on him, smear campaigns began against him. And then Occupy came out in tens of thousands to support him. He met with them.
Later he won a small victory, making sure that whether people accepted the pittance they were offered or not, they could STILL SUE the Big Banks.
He attributed his ability to stand firm in the face of all the pressure being placed on him, to Occupy Wall St who gave him the 'backing a politician needs from the people' when they are trying to fight for them.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)so I don't really thank Occupy for screwing it up.
Like I have said before, I think our problem is that the Republican Party represents the top 5%, the Democrats represent the top 20% and the bottom 80% can just go hang.
It's the 80% or the bottom 60% which is far more likely to be thrown under the bus than the bottom 99%.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Methinks someone is all butthurt.
How exactly is he Butthurt?
I mean he's right. The Repubs are for the Upper Class and The Dems are for the Middle Class. Especially the Upper Middle Class. The Working Class has been ignored by Politicians for decades. When you consider the amount a Congressman or Senator has to raise it's not all that surprising. To quote the Wu-Tang Clan, C.R.E.A.M Cash Rules Everything Around Me. Doubly so the lower down the economic ladder you go.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... did you catch that whoooosh?
It was the sound of the OP going over your head.
Enjoy your visit.
De Leonist
(225 posts)I'm sure I got the gist of the OP. But what I didn't get is why you called that guy Butthurt. Again what exactly did you mean? I realize you think your being clever but all your really doing is not making much sense.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
dotymed
(5,610 posts)is a rallying cry. It shows the vast difference in wealth disparity. Your 5-20% is more accurate but...
think of the 6 Wal-Mart heirs who own more wealth than the poorest 45% of Americans.
1% is huge.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)if you consider that little old me has more wealth than all of the poorest 29%. In fact, anybody who has $10 in wealth has more wealth than the poorest 29% collectively does. Because the bottom of the wealth distribution looks like this
distribution using the medians
A-9.05% - less than ($8,610)
B-9.05% - $8,610 to zero
C-4.55% - zero to $1,679
D-4.55% - $1,679 to $4,999
E-2.4% - $5,000 to $7,113
The negative wealth of Group A more than cancels out the positive wealth of groups C and D, with some left over that, combined with Group B cancels out the wealth of Group E. So collectively they have nothing.
Incidentally the collective wealth of group E all alone is at least $14 billion (118 million households*.024*$5,000). Which would put them in the top 25 of the Forbes 400.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... why a 1%er Apologist is all butthurt about the OP, then quite clearly you didn't "get the gist of the OP" at all.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) hfojvt
(37,573 posts)boy, that is fucking sad.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Very fucking sad, indeed.
randome
(34,845 posts)Hopefully you don't see the responses here as indicative of all DU. And welcome!
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)whistle-blowers like Snowden, or Anonymous, Wikileaks, Julian Assange, Pfc Manning, Code Pink, Michael Moore, or even Rep Alan Grayson, or anyone else that speaks out truth to authority.
We are in a class war. Why arent you on our side?
randome
(34,845 posts)It appears that the longer a group refuses to face reality, the more bitter they become.
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)decimated. Why? Because the the 1% or 10% or 0.1% or all the above seek wealth above all else. They literally own all the major media outlets and most of our "so-called" Congressional representatives. They have fooled all Republicans into believing their propaganda. But the worst is that they have fooled many Democrats into believing their bullshit propaganda.
You mentioned the term "bitter". Made me think. And yes I am goddamned bitter. Not so much at the thieves that are robbing us, but at those that hold the door open for them and try to rationalize why we are better off.
Now you tell us your version of "reality".
randome
(34,845 posts)Where we digress is in what effect Occupy had on all that.
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/12/a-eulogy-for-occupy/all/
Because the GA had no way to reject force, over time it fell to force. Proposals won by intimidation; bullies carried the day. What began as a way to let people reform and remake themselves had no mechanism for dealing with them when they didn’t. It had no way to deal with parasites and predators. It became a diseased process, pushing out the weak and quiet it had meant to enfranchise until it finally collapsed when nothing was left but predators trying to rip out each other’s throats.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)contempt.
I look at Occupy as the first major battle in the revolution against the 1%. Did Occupy win? They certainly didnt defeat the Evil Empire, but they were successful in many ways. The reaction of the 1% was so over the top that it clearly showed the fear that the Empire has for revolting subjects, especially since those revolting were non-violent. Unless you were paying attention, you might have missed the fact that this battle quickly spread, not only across the country but across the globe. The cause is international.
http://www.occupy.com/article/aftermath-occupy-will-surpass-gains-1960s-activism
randome
(34,845 posts)Soundbite cartoons aside on this thread, a true movement needs better articulation of those goals than OWS managed to convey.
I'm not against OWS so much as bewildered why some think it was such a resounding success. It did set the stage for some of that better change we need.
Now what?
It seems to me people rationalize its lack of leadership by proclaiming that was the plan all along. Whose plan? What goal is furthered by not having leaders? And if it was such a success, why are threads like this needed to remind everyone of that?
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Oh really? What could a leader have done better? Except been a target for the haters. The amazing thing is that this type of event happened mostly spontaneously.
The Powers to Be are always on the look out for potential "leaders". That's why many of us fear giving the conservatives and their NSA too much power to spy on us. They will seek out potential leaders of the masses and neutralize them.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)My butt ain't hurtin' thank you very much.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)class has continued to get screwed. They don't have a party that is willing to fight for them.
As for the money in politics, that is another great thing OWS did, they raised so much awareness of the evil of money in politics, that the youngest generation of voters are now making it poison to be a candidate who receives huge amounts of money from Corporations.
A few more election cycles, with the youth vote growing, with OWS out there pushing the issue, we might finally begin to see the beginning of the end of candidates who are working for the Corps rather than the people.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)But I knew that.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)it was likely Joe Stiglitz who came up with the phrase . .
May 2011 Vanity Fair article by Joseph E. Stiglitz called “Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%.” - See more at: http://www.breakingcopy.com/the-99-percent#sthash.cMVT5gW6.dpuf
Read his "Price of Inequality" - it's very good . .
Thank god for the few economists with both a brain and a heart like . .
Stiglitz, Krugman, Baker and . . ?
Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)Have you seen "Inequality for All"?
http://inequalityforall.com/
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Doesn't matter who came up with it. What matters IMO is that the word rich is now framed as the 1%.
merrily
(45,251 posts)national dialogue, and at a time when the big topic in D.C. was how much the Grand Bargain Committee was going to cut "entitlements."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021010994
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Well stated.
Hawaiianlight
(63 posts)I believe the leaderless aspect of OWS was and is necessary. The oligarchs would have used their media to attack the figurehead thus making the issue about him or her. We would be discussing irrelevant personal attacks rather than the issues. Just like they tried to do with Snowden except the revelations were too huge to obscure with slander.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)how do you attack/smear/target a leaderless movement? There you go withn your all-powerfull surveillance state tools.
Well, they did manage to put down OWS. But the spirit lives, as do all of the innumerable leaderless leaders.
Welcome to DU, too, hawaiianlight.
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yurbud
(39,405 posts)transparency instead of secrecy.
Widely dispersed knowledge and energy generation and distribution instead of monopolies.
Social costs of business paid for by the businesses that create them.
Fairly dispersed rewards for labor and creativity.
Widely dispersed business and political decision-making.
That means no new corporations. If somebody wants to start a company as sole proprietor or with a couple of partners, great. But when they get too big for that structure, but instead, co-ops, and worker self-directed enterprises. For some of our most innovative companies, this would have prevented their take over and destruction by the three card monte MBA's who only know how to make money by cannibalizing the company, cooking the books, and firing people.
One rule of law for rich and poor with proportionate punishment, so if a homeless guys third strike can be for stealing a slice of pizza, a hedge fund managers who destroys the world the world economy with three acts of fraud would be in prison for life with no chance of parole, and his sentence could not be plea bargained away with a fine.
Needless to say, the same standard would be applied to politicians who lie us into unnecessary wars. Their sentence would have to take into account resources wasted and lives of our troops and the "enemy" troops and civilians taken.
Determination of which services are vital to life and functioning democracy that the private sector has monopolized or attempted to and pursued their own profit at the expense of the public good, and nationalizing them. Fairly indisputable candidates: banking, finance, health care, the electric grid, and education, fighting our wars, and intelligence gathering.
Apply the above principle to public services and assets that have been privatized in recent decades. In the case of assets, buy back at exactly the price the privatizer paid us. In the case of services, simply return the rendering of the service to the public sector.
None of this is communism, anarchism, or anything of the sort. It's simply how democracy is supposed to work, and a natural extension of New Deal principles elected Democrats used to fight for and minority still do.
If we had a functioning democracy instead of a crony capitalism kleptocracy, most of these would already be in place.
Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)yurbud
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treestar
(82,383 posts)If anything good happened, why so much continued cynicism about our government, to such extremes as to claim that the judicial system no longer works or that the voting system no longer works?
ancianita
(43,307 posts)
harun
(11,381 posts)Enthusiast
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Joe Shlabotnik
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Agony
(2,605 posts)this is from marmar's OP article http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024115655
"Conscious of its predecessors’ failures, the coalition rejected the typical approach of filing federal grievances, calling news conferences and gathering on the steps of City Hall, and instead chose a more aggressive tactic: the roaming one-day strike. The strategy was influenced by Occupy Wall Street’s success in inserting the trope of the 1 percent into the national conversation, said Mr. Westin, a former Occupier himself. “Confronting power more openly and publicly and directly,” he added, “that came straight from Occupy.”
Mr Westin, now 58, who lost his job in 2008 has been given some small hope by OWS. Anybody who disparages what Occupy has done for people can go fuck themselves.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/nyregion/older-workers-are-increasingly-entering-fast-food-industry.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp
Agony
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Enthusiast
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johnnyreb
(915 posts)I compiled, burned and gave out hundreds of DVDs of thirty-five Occupy music videos chosen from the plethora that were flooding the net. I sent more to activist and Occupy groups around the country. Long live Occupy.
http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs-releases-more-documents.html
"The authorities couldn’t have more effectively made the Occupy movement look like a danger
to the republic if they had scripted it. Maybe that's because, more or less, they did."
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Hmmmm.
Uncle Joe
(65,130 posts)Thanks for the thread, L0oniX.
Absolutely. Thanks to OWS! All those who physically occupied and
all those who supported the occupiers in any way shape or form. 
loudsue
(14,087 posts)I have felt some hope in all of this nightmare that we've been seeing.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)If it weren't for these small bands of dedicated movers & shakers, there would never have been an Occupy.....all the MSM's trumpeting & falsehood-based limelighting of Adbusters notwithstanding.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Occupy achieved far more than their detractors would admit.
Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)OWS started well enough focused on economic inequality (and how the rules are written in favor of the rich) but started getting off the rails when the movement got greedy in a way and crafted a set of ideas that seemed to encompass every left-leaning policy position there is from foreign aid to animal rights.
At the time I was comparing it to the Tea Party. Certainly not apples to apples considering the AstroTurf nature of the Tea Baggers. But what I saw were Tea Partiers winning elections while OWS peeps stayed in the street banging drums.
But now I do agree that OWS kick started some awareness in the general public about how our system is rigged in favor if the super rich and well-connected, the term "1%" being a good example.
I now see OWS as an announcement of sorts of a new swing back to the left in the United States. Brought to you by the generation that has matured watching Wall Street get fat on fraud while the working class gains nothing for all our hard work. And watching media sychophants scream with joy at the Dow while this "rising sea" is most definitely not "lifting all boats."
Read "The Rise of the New Left" over at the Daily Beast.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)That Occupy has gotten us to change the terms we use to talk about the rich from "rich" to "1%". Well that certainly is an accomplishment to be proud of, like changing the name of toilet paper to bathroom tissue. I mean really, I bet the mega-wealthy are shaking in their boots right now, especially the ones who are under indictment for their crimes against the mass of society, oh wait there aren't any, are there? Well then, I bet the ones sitting in jail, their fortunes forfeited to house or feed the poor really regret the name change. Opps, none of those either. Hmmmmm? Seems odd doesn't it? That the only ones who got arrested were the folks from Occupy and no one else.
Hell of a protest you got there. Occupy had something, a very important something and it was thrown away. It had the moment, it had the idea, and it had the voice, it had the media, it had THE iconic photo provided in all its glorious stupidity by champagne drinking dandies on the balcony above the marching protestors, it had Wall Street worried and the marbled halls of Washington concerned. Here was a chance, a real chance, not to totally rid us of their malignant influence and their dark money, but to put them on their heels, to push them far enough back so that the next steps could be taken, the next steps necessary to actually free us from their machinations and greed at the expense of our well being and in too many cases, our very lives.
In the end it was all frittered away through indecision and division. You want to know where the Occupy bashers are? I for one am right here. And please, don't try and convince me that just because we now use "1%" to describe robber barons ( oh wait, that was something they used to be called before wasn't it before we started calling them "rich"..... about a hundred years ago I believe) that some how this is an incredible game changing step, because it is NOT.
Occupy lost it's collective chance long ago. Now it is just a marginalized curiosity, and not even a historical one of any importance.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)175 recs disagree with you.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)since i have been "staying" here since 2008.....
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)
that is a lot of words to say nothing.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)Yet I said far fewer words than OCCUPY and it seem I accomplished about as much..in your opinion.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)We are eteernally grateful. 
BrainDrain
(244 posts)and the rich and powerful remain "eteernally" grateful for your misplaced belief that you actually accomplished something. DING! That's the sound of them winning...again.
Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)... showed that indeed they did have the PTB quaking.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It's not "accomplished." It's "accomplishing"...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)BrainDrain
(244 posts)What? Just what....besides the earth shattering, game changing slogan of "1%".
You are pathetic...OCCUPY HAD a real chance for a true and meaningful start to a truly astounding revolutionary shift in American priorities and OCCUPY blew it.
What is OCCUPY now? A relief agency, handing out food when they could have helped hand out indictments. Do not try and dress failure in the flag of...what? ohhhh we really matter? No you don't not anymore. The rest of us will have to wait for the next opportunity because OCCUPY blew the one that was handed to it on a silver platter.
In the speed of todays' world OCCUPY has become a curiosity, like hippies, like the peace movement, like yesterdays lunch barely remembered.
Yeah, feeding the hungry is important, but maybe there wouldn't as many of them today if OCCUPY had done what it should have.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)There is more, but you know what, I think sitting on your butt and letting media memes dominate your thought process is the problem here.
At least you recognized the role of Occupy Sandy, credited for faster response and aid to those in need than NGOs, some that have been at this for over 100 years.
Oh and I recommend you read into the several revolutions of the 1800s. Many folks wrote similar words of the 1848 student revolt, to which I have compared Occupy. Free hint, that did not end with the suppression by the authorities. Occupy is far from over. It is on phase two, like it's sister organizations in Europe. It is following the Madrid Model.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)except for the times i went to NY to march on Wall Street with the original OCCUPY...or the times here in DC...or the times before that against the war in Iraq...or maybe the times before that against the illegal wars in Central America thanks to Ronnie Rayguns...or before even that marching against VietNam.....
so yeah...sitting on my butt and buying into the corporate meme has been an unfortunate habit of mine......
Oh and one last thing...Please don't try and lecture me on History, I teach it as a professor, and while many of the "revolutions" of the 1800's, especially those from the middle of the century onwards had a certain amount notoriety, none had the same level of successes the ones in the 20th century enjoyed......even your comparative Student Revolution.
and as far as the Madrid Model goes..that is still awaiting review....
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Which was your exact attitude.
Mind you, I hold an advanced degree and now you are welcome to my ignore list. Plonk!!!!
BrainDrain
(244 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:29 PM - Edit history (2)
Your all powerful ignore list...like I GAF.
And BTW, the next time someone calls you to task for your statements or disagrees with you, it would be much easier for you to stick your fingers in your ears and say "La La La!" really loudly so you don't have to hear what they have to say.
That way you won't over burden your ignore list.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)You blame people who speak for the 99% and against the 1%? Wow
BrainDrain
(244 posts)anyone for speaking against the "1%". The only blame I have laid anywhere is the blame of the OCCUPY movement of throwing away the golden opportunity it had in that first summer of protest. After that I vehemently object to the hubris exhibited to exclaim that just because the connotation of the "1%" has made into the American lexicon that somehow a major victory has been won against vast edifice of the monied powers. To claim that is nothing short of absurd.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)By the coming summer the tents were mostly gone, except for Santa Cruz California.
Police repression started almost immediately. In San Diego specifically within two weeks, as well as Zucotti Park, the mother ship. San Diego started the camp about two weeks after Zucotti and was infiltrated by police and FBI informers just as fast.
You sure about your facts as you accuse others of not knowing? And yes, as I removed you from ignore I recommend you use fingers in ears and la, la, la.
Anyhoo, I cover politics in my local town. I started with yes, Occupy. I find Occupy veterans all over in different aspects, remember that Madrid Model? They are so damn ineffective that they managed to convince the CPUC, one if the most corporate captured state regulators in the state, to close down San Onofre.
Yup SCE decided it was a good decision since this pesky citizen group was (and still is) good. But the pressure on the regulators from these pesky veterans continues, something about rates and who pays after the early closure of the plant.
I also know traditional organizations of the left, with a few exceptions, did not embrace them. Nor did the party. Anyhoo, even though labor, for the most part, did not embrace them one of the early successes was the consequences of the West Coast port shutdown. The stibador Union in Oakland got a better deal than they would ptherwise. The company could not afford to risk a second shut down
There were specific central labor councils that did, such as my own.
So please, use your fingers, insert firmly in ear.
Bullshit needs to be called upon.
Oh and going back to those revolutions, you know they had a salutary effect, though it was not immediate. You at least should know that. As Toynbee once wrote...there are cycles. Of course, we can talk of the Longe Duree, which the US is in the midst off, with that cycle starting in 1600 or so. But whatever...
Of course Kennedy comes to mind when it comes to our power structure. He spoke of nations under communism, but damn it, it applies internally.
I expect this to be ignored, and given you do not know the most basic I doubt you even walked the streets. As a reporter I staid out of the GA, something about neutrality, but boy I got to see some heated ones. Yes, one of the discussions was how to get involved in politics, starting with whether to get involved in even a simple thing as voter registration. For this singular act an occupier was hauled off to jail btw.
So yes, I will call your bullshit.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)are we done stomping our feet and showing all the adults our street creds so we can all try and take you seriously?
And please could you be a little more specific about what bullshit you are calling and what "the most basic" is that I don't know. (Last paragraph, first incoherent sentence.)
And as far as the first summer goes, I will explain. I have VERY good friends who have a daughter that is an activist lawyer in New York City. Her parents live in Kansas, and we see their daughter whenever we go up to NYC, to look in on her for her parents and because we enjoy her company very much. That late summer we participated in some of the first actions and meetings. If you want to say that my use of the word "summer" somehow transgresses on the calender for the month of September, then I will bow to the delimiter of Labor Day as the OFFICIAL end of "summer", weather not withstanding.
I never once said anywhere that the actions and protests of the 1800 did not have an effect, do not extrapolate or project without proof. (I believe that is a rule of analysis..I think i read that somewhere...) I said they did not have the success that the actions of the 20th century did. So while you, and others, may believe that OCCUPY (USA) may have provided some seismic shift, I must repeat myself and disagree. OCCUPY had the golden OPPORTUNITY to do so, and missed it.
And by the way you should go back and restudy Toynbee, he is largely discredited in serious academic circles as mixing his facts with fantasy. Not the best choice of people to quote I'm afraid.
Also the longue duree is an interesting concept and was in particular favor among historians especially in the 1800's based upon the belief that change to structure takes a great deal of time. However, this has also come into academic question recently due to the fact that modern events tend to accelerate structural change due to a number of factors, most notably the ability for information and causes to jump historical boundaries because of the speed and saturation of communications and the ease of travel. But that is a discussion for another time.
Now, while I am very happy that the folks in Spain have gotten a corrupt mining company in the cross hairs, I am more concerned with what has happened and what is happening here. Since this is the country I live in and it is the topic of this conversation and NOT what might be occurring in Spain. And somehow I doubt that getting one union in California a better deal is all that OCCUPY was about.
While you may not believe that I have "walked the streets", I don't have to prove to you or anyone else what I have done in defense of my beliefs. I know, and the people in this world closest to me know, and those I have marched with know, and that is all that matters.
You are like so many other members of what I call the "designer left". You don't know when you have been beaten and how to recover from it and do something better the next time. You never learn how to recognize the moment that needs to be seized, and you never forgive yourself the ones you missed. You never learn and you try and justify the loss with irrational defiance.
What the shadow of OCCUPY has done for the folks of Sandy Hook and the folks being foreclosed on is all very highly commendable. But it was NOT what OCCUPY reached for.
And for your information, I NEVER put my fingers in my ears, because if I do I might miss something important. I always listen, even if I disagree.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)which you continue post.
But you are not going on ignore, at this point you are plain out entertaining.
Oh and one more thing, I did not know San Onofre was in Spain and not in California. You might be more familiar with it as SONGS, San Onofre Nuclear Operating Station,.
As to the CPUC, that stands for the California Public Utilities Commission. Madrid will be happy to know we rejoined the Empire.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)they read the news..you might want to read some.
You mentioned Madrid Model and OCCUPY, you might want to cross check that in Google with Spain, mining and fracking and see what you get.
And BTW did you see ANYTHING in my post about San Onofre NOS or CPUC? Anything at all?
sagat
(241 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)
OCCUPY!
myrna minx
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tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)and what you are still doing. screw the 1 percent.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)The language we use is important.
WillyT
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KoKo
(84,711 posts)forever grateful for that. It shoved it in the face of the Crooked Wall Street Banker CEO's and BRANDED what's been going on ever since those greedy ones got off with barely a handslap (fines they could write off their taxes) but put the 99% of the rest of America under Austerity Programs because the Greedy B*stards wanted it ALL!
What's more those Greedy B*stards opened the door for the Petersens/Kochs/Alecs and the rest to begin to dismantle Poverty Programs, Public Education, Open Land to Fracking and erode more of our Food and Water Safety Protections along with trying to Privatize everything they can get their hands on.